Ukraine - Doomsday

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

Just now, nobody said:

That being said, I think he's using NATO expansion as an excuse to annex Ukraine and the Putin supporters are just eating that BS up for some reason.

He very well might be. But NATO expansion did happen, despite his warnings and our assurances they wouldn’t. There is no denying that all happened. What you offer is speculation. Could be true, but it’s still speculation.  

[TimmySmith 2,782]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He very well might be. But NATO expansion did happen, despite his warnings and our assurances they wouldn’t. There is no denying that all happened. What you offer is speculation. Could be true, but it’s still speculation.  

Putin got lucky here, considering his stupidity. 

He's lucky a lot, surviving 20 years in the most cut throat, tumultuous, political environment on the planet, being attacked from within and outside on a daily basis. What a lucky dumbsh1t.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

You people who stifle any question as to how we got here are the inverse of the people who said we couldn’t question Bush prior to and during Iraq. Just sayin.  They were just protecting Bush and the neocons, you’re just protecting Biden and the globalists. They used the troops as a shield against criticism, the left uses innocent Ukrainians. They focked up. Sorry to inform you. 

[Baker Boy 1,704]

17 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You people who stifle any question as to how we got here are the inverse of the people who said we couldn’t question Bush prior to and during Iraq. Just sayin.  They were just protecting Bush and the neocons, you’re just protecting Biden and the globalists. The used the troops as a shield against criticism, the left uses innocent Ukrainians. They focked up. Sorry to inform you. 

I believe that because Biden is such a massive failure only a war could distract people from his failures so he could blame them all on The WAR!  This is their only chance to save the midterms.

Q. What kind of any idiot waits until after a known invasion begins to start sanctions.

A. The same kind of idiot that withdraws the military from a war zone before he evacuates the civilians.

As we all know, Liberals never admit they are wrong, they always blame someone else.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

9 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

I believe that because Biden is such a massive failure only a war could distract people from his failures so he could blame them all on The WAR!  This is their only chance to save the midterms.

Q. What kind of any idiot waits until after a known invasion begins to start sanctions.

A. The same kind of idiot that withdraws the military from a war zone before he evacuates the civilians.

As we all know, Liberals never admit they are wrong, they always blame someone else.

 

They can’t bring themselves to just say Putin is horrible and Biden is incompetent and that our meddling in /controlling Ukraine is  part of how we got here. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

19 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

I believe that because Biden is such a massive failure only a war could distract people from his failures so he could blame them all on The WAR!  This is their only chance to save the midterms.

Q. What kind of any idiot waits until after a known invasion begins to start sanctions.

A. The same kind of idiot that withdraws the military from a war zone before he evacuates the civilians.

As we all know, Liberals never admit they are wrong, they always blame TRUMP.

 

Fixed.

[nobody 2,694]

20 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They can’t bring themselves to just say Putin is horrible and Biden is incompetent and that our meddling in /controlling Ukraine is  part of how we got here. 

I think most people don't dispute this.  The disagreement seems to be over whether meddling in Ukraine justifies a Russian invasion.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

2 minutes ago, nobody said:

I think most people don't dispute this.  The disagreement seems to be over whether meddling in Ukraine justifies a Russian invasion.

It doesn’t justify it, it just caused it. The only justification that matters was Putins. His view of what’s justified is different than the rest of the worlds. Believe it or not, he still has to sell it to his people and allies. China thinks he’s justified. 

[nobody 2,694]

1 hour ago, TimmySmith said:

Putin got lucky here, considering his stupidity. 

He's lucky a lot, surviving 20 years in the most cut throat, tumultuous, political environment on the planet, being attacked from within and outside on a daily basis. What a lucky dumbsh1t.

I don't know he's stupid.  He could lying about his reasoning for invading Ukraine.  If he really thinks NATO is going to try to take over Russia, yes he is stupid and paranoid.  If he's lying he's potentially competent, and just an asshōle and a bully.

As you seem to understand, surviving the Russian political landscape requires cunning and brutality.  Therefore, he's probably just an asshōle. 

You guys seem to be preoccupied with putting blame on someone.  That's fine, but there is still a situation to manage here.  Most people are more concerned with how the situation is being managed and less on making sure globalists are receiving blame.  

Would it make you guys feel better if we all just agreed that liberals are incompetent?  Only the hardcore independents would argue that.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He very well might be. But NATO expansion did happen, despite his warnings and our assurances they wouldn’t. There is no denying that all happened. What you offer is speculation. Could be true, but it’s still speculation.  

That and we elected a super weak leader which invites aggression from other strong leaders.  
 

i remember in 2008 they were looking at breaking rules to shore up the economy and shouted down dissent by saying “the Comstitution is a set of laws not a suicide pact”.  The same might be said to mike pence for not stopping the election results.  And now pence is sticking his neck out scolding trump supporters when he could have tried to prevent this war. 

[Baker Boy 1,704]

December 2021

Putin demands West ‘immediately’ guarantee no more NATO expansion

What is unclear here? Are we putting missiles next to the United States’ borders? No, it is the United States that has come to us with their missiles, they are already on our doorstep,” Putin said.

The Russian leader also accused the US and its allies of having “cheated, blatantly swindled” Moscow by saying they wouldn’t extend NATO into Eastern Europe before doing precisely that.

“‘Not one inch to the East,’ they told us in the ’90s. So what? They cheated, just brazenly tricked us! Five waves of NATO expansion and now already, please, the systems are appearing in Romania and Poland,” Putin said.

https://nypost.com/2021/12/23/putin-demands-nato-not-expand-into-ukraine-blames-us/

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

We poured out vodka and took yachts away and wore a Ukrainian t-shirt. Now what? We reduced the ruble to nothing but keep giving them dollars. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

33 minutes ago, nobody said:

You guys seem to be preoccupied with putting blame on someone.  

Usguys are getting roasted by NOT putting the blame on anyone,  yet.

[nobody 2,694]

Oh you're another one of those independents that refuse to claim an opinion even though it's obvious what your opinion is?

[JustinCharge 2,397]

15 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

We poured out vodka and took yachts away and wore a Ukrainian t-shirt. Now what? We reduced the ruble to nothing but keep giving them dollars. 

not only that, but Putin appears to be indicating that he may change his mind soon and decide that sanctions plus all of the things you mentioned actually are a declaration of war against Russia after all and start nuking the West.  There is this pervasive arrogance among liberals that the rules are now firmly established and we can sanction Russia without fear of getting nuked but this isn't a game with structured rules and Putin can actually change them.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

39 minutes ago, nobody said:

I don't know he's stupid.  He could lying about his reasoning for invading Ukraine.  If he really thinks NATO is going to try to take over Russia, yes he is stupid and paranoid.  If he's lying he's potentially competent, and just an asshōle and a bully.

As you seem to understand, surviving the Russian political landscape requires cunning and brutality.  Therefore, he's probably just an asshōle. 

You guys seem to be preoccupied with putting blame on someone.  That's fine, but there is still a situation to manage here.  Most people are more concerned with how the situation is being managed and less on making sure globalists are receiving blame.  

Would it make you guys feel better if we all just agreed that liberals are incompetent?  Only the hardcore independents would argue that.

I’m of the notion that we can’t find our way out of this without knowing how we got into this. And if that means someone gets blamed then so be it. If the prevailing thought is a simplistic “Putin bad” then there’s only one way to deal with him. Mount up. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

2 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

not only that, but Putin appears to be indicating that he may change his mind soon and decide that sanctions plus all of the things you mentioned actually are a declaration of war against Russia after all and start nuking the West.

I put nothing past  him.  I can only hope those calling the shots have finally realized this and deal with it. They certainly didn’t before. If they did they wouldn’t have let him build up his war chest with our money. And they would have seen his troops on the border last year and done something then. And maybe when he was meeting with China 37 times it might have been an indication of something. Guess not. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m of the notion that we can’t find our way out of this without knowing how we got into this. And if that means someone gets blamed then so be it. If the prevailing thought is a simplistic “Putin bad” then there’s only one way to deal with him. Mount up. 

There is a saying "once you throw the war dice, you dont get a second throw".  The war has started.  control is now lost.  the dice are rolling.  we probably cannot just "find our way out of this".  we're just spectators watching it unfold.  the time for discussion about war was from 2018 to 2 weeks ago, when we should have been discussing how to avoid civil war or even war with russia.  instead, people just mocked the idea of war with stuff like "has the civil war started yet lololol".  now it is too late to discuss how to avoid it.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

6 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

There is a saying "once you throw the war dice, you dont get a second throw".  The war has started.  control is now lost.  the dice are rolling.  we probably cannot just "find our way out of this".  we're just spectators watching it unfold.  the time for discussion about war was from 2018 to 2 weeks ago, when we should have been discussing how to avoid civil war or even war with russia.  instead, people just mocked the idea of war with stuff like "has the civil war started yet lololol".  now it is too late to discuss how to avoid it.

There’s a way out if it, at least for the time being. It’s happening. Ukraine is being sacrificed. But if as everyone says, that it’s just the beginning of his reconstitution of the Soviet Union, then what? You either cut a deal or go to war at some point, or maybe we just wait for the sanctions to kick in. But as long as China and others are keeping him afloat, it may take a while. In the meantime Ukraine is at war, and taking the beating. We watch. Probably have to watch the next place as well. Get your Maldovian flags ready. 

[nobody 2,694]

This dude is trying to claim victory for predicting a civil war because we're about to engage in brinksmanship with the a dude with dementia at the helm.

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

This dude is trying to claim victory for predicting a civil war because we're about to engage in brinksmanship with the a dude with dementia at the helm.

We've been going through a civil war here in the US since the hussein presidency.

 

[Baker Boy 1,704]

15 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

We've been going through a civil war here in the US since the hussein presidency.

 

Correct and we have political prisoners to prove it.

[Baker Boy 1,704]

48 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

We poured out vodka and took yachts away and wore a Ukrainian t-shirt. Now what? We reduced the ruble to nothing but keep giving them dollars. 

To Protest Russia, Ivan Drago Blurred Out Of Rocky IV

https://babylonbee.com/news/to-protest-russia-ivan-drago-blurred-out-of-rocky-iv

Uyghurs In Chinese Concentration Camps Fly Ukrainian Flag So People Will Start Caring About Them

https://babylonbee.com/news/uyghurs-in-chinese-concentration-camps-fly-ukrainian-flag-so-people-will-pay-attention-to-them

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

Visa and Mastercard pulled out of Russia.  Russia is in the process of switching to the Chinese card system unionpay. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

Maybe we can sell those yachts to Chinese oligarchs at a good price? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

Do the Chinese like Vodka? I bet they will soon. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

10 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Correct and we have political prisoners to prove it.

Yes. And at least persecuted people who have lost jobs, or social standing, and whatever else hussein's agenda inflicted up this country. 

Thank God Trump actually bridged the gap between hussein and creepy joe or else we would all be living in poverty or dead. 

[vomit 502]

6 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Yes. And at least persecuted people who have lost jobs, social standing, and whatever else hussein's agenda inflicted up this country. 

Thank God Trump actually bridged the gap between hussein and creepy joe or else we would all be living in poverty or dead. 

Or forced to drink cranberry and vodka.

[Utilit99 4,099]

4 minutes ago, vomit said:

Or forced to drink cranberry and vodka.

What's your point? I'm guessing you have nothing left other than some form of an attempt at a cutdown. 

No one would expect anything different from you. So..

[wiffleball 4,790]

https://youtube.com/shorts/3zxu1dx485g?feature=share

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

I find it interesting that Victoria Nulands father was from Ukraine and Vallery Jarretts family was from Iran, she was born there. Two places where the Money flowed into when they were in power. But we hate it when the county commissioner gives his cousin Billy Bob the highway contract even though ol Billy Bob doesn’t  do highways.  

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

What's being underestimated are the Russian people horrified at what their leader has done. It's so bad that Facebook got shut off 

Russians aren't going to buy the propaganda. People are risking getting hurt, killed or thrown in the gulag by getting out and protesting. 

It will only get worse as the sanctions sink in and life gets exponentially harder as they witness almost the whole world - except assh0le nations such as China, North Korea, Iran and Venezuela, in addition the moronic Putin butt buddies in this thread - hate their country and compare Putin to Hitler.

Meanwhile, Russia threw in conscripts and poorly maintained equipment for the invasion. Morale among Russian troops is fragile, at best. They know they're killing children and innocent people, even targeting them.

I have to think the Ukers have killed a shocking volume of Russian soldiers. Long after the formal defeat of the Uker military, this will turn into years of grinding guerilla warfare sustained with freedom fighters and supplies from around the globe. We have U.S. veterans on their way as we speak. 

At some point, Zelenskyy' will get killed or captured and become a powerful martyr.

The Ukers have exposed and embarrassed the Russian military. They will never give up. 

Cyber attacks and nukes are my biggest concerns, and Putin doesn't have sole control of the nukes. He's a madman, though.

Other than enact deeper sanctions and continuing to support the Ukers the way we have been, there is little more we can do but wait.

 

 

[Baker Boy 1,704]

23 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

What's being underestimated are the Russian people horrified at what their leader has done. It's so bad that Facebook got shut off 

Russians aren't going to buy the propaganda. People are risking getting hurt, killed or thrown in the gulag by getting out and protesting. 

It will only get worse as the sanctions sink in and life gets exponentially harder as they witness almost the whole world - except assh0le nations such as China, North Korea, Iran and Venezuela, in addition the moronic Putin butt buddies in this thread - hate their country and compare Putin to Hitler.

Meanwhile, Russia threw in conscripts and poorly maintained equipment for the invasion. Morale among Russian troops is fragile, at best. They know they're killing children and innocent people, even targeting them.

I have to think the Ukers have killed a shocking volume of Russian soldiers. Long after the formal defeat of the Uker military, this will turn into years of grinding guerilla warfare sustained with freedom fighters and supplies from around the globe. We have U.S. veterans on their way as we speak. 

At some point, Zelenskyy' will get killed or captured and become a powerful martyr.

The Ukers have exposed and embarrassed the Russian military. They will never give up. 

Cyber attacks and nukes are my biggest concerns, and Putin doesn't have sole control of the nukes. He's a madman, though.

Other than enact deeper sanctions and continuing to support the Ukers the way we have been, there is little more we can do but wait.

 

 

US officials hold Venezuela meetings amid hunt for alternative oil supplies

https://www.ft.com/content/913af3e8-1a6a-46d2-a108-48e1ef74514f

what a bunch of idiots we have all the oil we need in our own back backyard

Can some explain this logic to me?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

8 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

US officials hold Venezuela meetings amid hunt for alternative oil supplies

https://www.ft.com/content/913af3e8-1a6a-46d2-a108-48e1ef74514f

what a bunch of idiots we have all the oil we need in our own back backyard

Can some explain this logic to me?

I know. Venezuela owes Russia a ton of money. The largest oil company there is owned by the government. So Russia gets what it’s owed via America buying oil from them. If VZ doesn’t pay, Russia gets Citgo. The lines between this administrations corruptness and incompetence are blurring. Bottom line: VZ will do whatever Russia tells them to do. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

32 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

US officials hold Venezuela meetings amid hunt for alternative oil supplies

https://www.ft.com/content/913af3e8-1a6a-46d2-a108-48e1ef74514f

what a bunch of idiots we have all the oil we need in our own back backyard

Can some explain this logic to me?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/06/us-officials-venezuela-talks-apparent-bid-further-isolate-russia

Looks to me like this is a move to pry Venezuela away from Russia.

[Voltaire 5,322]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I find it interesting that Victoria Nulands father was from Ukraine and Vallery Jarretts family was from Iran, she was born there. Two places where the Money flowed into when they were in power. But we hate it when the county commissioner gives his cousin Billy Bob the highway contract even though ol Billy Bob doesn’t  do highways.  

Valerie Jarrett was born in Iran because her parents were diplomats to the Shah (who was overthrown by the Ayatollah, the sworn enemy of the Shah). Also her ethnicity isn't Persian, she's Planet of the Apes  (sorry, had a Roseanne moment there but I will never be able to unsee it) half black/half white.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

4 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Valerie Jarrett was born in Iran because her parents were diplomats to the Shah (who was overthrown by the Ayatollah, the sworn enemy of the Shah). Also her ethnicity isn't Persian, she's Planet of the Apes  (sorry, had a Roseanne moment there but I will never be able to unsee it) half black/half white.

Well, he was a doctor that went to Iran because he had no love for America. 

[Baker Boy 1,704]

11 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/06/us-officials-venezuela-talks-apparent-bid-further-isolate-russia

Looks to me like this is a move to pry Venezuela away from Russia.

We all know that is not going to happen. Why don’t we pump our own oil? That is what I need explain.

[Voltaire 5,322]

32 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

US officials hold Venezuela meetings amid hunt for alternative oil supplies

https://www.ft.com/content/913af3e8-1a6a-46d2-a108-48e1ef74514f

what a bunch of idiots we have all the oil we need in our own back backyard

Can some explain this logic to me?

I was shocked when HT said this in another thread, but here we have a link.

Unreal.

Somehow Mother Nature worked out such that every sh*tbag country on the planet has oil and for decades, including most of our lives, the US had to go around smooching their asses in search of some. Canada also has some, then, about fifteen years ago we figured out a method for how to extract it ourselves. Yay! Now, we could tell every sh*tbag, tinpot oil dictator on the planet to go fock themselves. But the Dems won't extract it (Obama, to his credit did).. They shutdown fracking and pipelines to Canada instead. The deliberately choose return to going around smooching the asses of the sh*tbag tinpot oil dictators again.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

All foreign aid is a money laundering operation.