Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted March 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, fandandy said: Can I be Lenny? Yes, my lovely son Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted March 5, 2022 11 minutes ago, fandandy said: Can I be Lenny? Only if you pet him and love him and call him George. GB cartoons that can harken back to Steinbeck. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/hollywood-flashback-looney-tunes-made-a-star-a-yeti-1961-1261307/ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,374 Posted March 5, 2022 https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60532634?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=62229ee4980bea49f4b7b1b2%26'All the people who die will die because of you'%262022-03-04T23%3A51%3A24.731Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:0aa08129-b865-45f5-92b1-3e7330f7bd91&pinned_post_asset_id=62229ee4980bea49f4b7b1b2&pinned_post_type=share More now from President Zelensky's address to the Ukrainian people on Friday evening. Reportedly speaking from his office in Kyiv, Zelensky condemned Nato leaders' refusal on Friday to establish a no-fly-zone over his country. Zelensky said: "All the people who die, starting today, will also die because of you. Because of your weakness, because of your disconnection." He continued: "The Nato summit took place today. A weak summit. A confused summit. A summit that shows that not everyone considers the fight for freedom for Europe the number one goal. "All the intelligence agencies of the Nato countries are well aware of the enemy's plans. They confirmed that Russia wants to continue the offensive. "Nato has deliberately decided not to close the skies over Ukraine. Nato countries created a narrative that closing the skies over Ukraine would provoke Russia's direct aggression against Nato. “This is the self-hypnosis of those who are weak, insecure inside, despite the fact they possess weapons many times stronger than we have." Zelensky later addressed large protests taking place across Europe, telling demonstrators: "If Ukraine does not survive, the whole of Europe will not survive. "If Ukraine falls, the whole of Europe will fall." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gladiators 1,995 Posted March 5, 2022 I have wondered...what would Putin have done if NATO put tanks, troops, etc on the Ukraine border early on. I think all the major players have known how this would play out from the beginning. NATO pretends to care by sending some money/weapons, but they don't really GAF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,374 Posted March 5, 2022 https://nypost.com/2022/03/02/former-nato-commander-wesley-clark-urges-us-to-reconsider-no-fly-zone/ Former NATO commander Wesley Clark explains Ukraine war Q: NATO seems to be wimping out slightly — they’re saying members, such as Poland, cannot even fly fighter planes to Ukraine through NATO airspace. A: This is wrongheaded. This is driven by the United States, and I would urge the United States to reconsider this. Russia does not own the borders of Ukraine. They belong to Ukraine. Ukraine is a nation under threat. And under the United Nations Charter, nations have the right to request assistance for self-defense. How would the Russians know a fighter plane has been transferred using NATO airspace? How do they know it didn’t fly in over the Black Sea? How do they know it didn’t come in over Belarus? Look, for 30 years since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the breakup of the Soviet Union, the United States has operated as the world’s superpower. Americans today don’t recall the stresses and difficulties of the Cold War era. As NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said, this is the new normal. We are not fighting Iraq. We’re not in Afghanistan. We are against another near-peer competitor that has nuclear weapons. We have to learn and understand how to deal with situations like this. This won’t be the last. Q: You advocate a no-fly zone? A: Absolutely. The airspace belongs to Ukraine. If they ask for help, why can’t we fly airplanes in there? Say, oh, it’s because of the Russians, they might come up and contest it. That’s the Russians’ problem. They’re going to get shot down. Okay, then what? Putin says he’s going to use a nuclear weapon. If we back away from that challenge, if we don’t confront it, this is like a two-pair poker bluff, for incredibly high stakes. A: If he was losing, I think he might. And if we think there’s a chance a guy would use a nuclear weapon against us, I guess we just need to give up on the concept of extended deterrence. Why would we want to defend Estonia if Putin might want to use a nuclear weapon? Is Estonia worth it? You say it’s NATO, but the cold, hard reality is Putin can move into Estonia and take control before we can make up our mind what to do. Or Taiwan — what if China says, “You come into Taiwan again, we’re going to use a nuclear weapon.” The Chinese have a lot of people, they have a lot of nuclear weapons. What if North Korea says, “You hold another exercise, we’re going to use a nuclear weapon.” Say [to North Korea] “Oh, we’re going to obliterate you.” “No, you’re not going to obliterate us, we can attack the United States — now.” What if Iran says it? That’s the answer to it. It was easy to be the world’s hyperpower when we were going against Libya, Iraq and Syria. The United States has to recalibrate its understanding, leadership and processes to work in this new area or we will lose the rules-based international system, which we’re proud to have established after World War II and which we established by using the concept of extended deterrence. Q: Is there something we can do, at least let’s say to degrade Russian capabilities, if they continue to escalate and they continue to kill civilians? A: We could certainly use cyber. Here’s the problem. Anything you do that has an effect on Russian operations will cross the so-called red line of Mr. Putin. Here’s the thing. Ukraine is the toughest opponent he will face, tougher than, let’s say, Latvia or Estonia or Lithuania. If you can’t find a way to deal with his threats now, you have to find a way to deal with them later. And not only from Putin but from North Korea, Iran and China. Putin’s challenge is a challenge to the US doctrine of extended deterrence. During the Cold War, there were always questions asked: Would the United States really sacrifice and, say, risk New York to defend Hamburg, Germany, from a Russian attack? That was the question. We knew we didn’t have the forces to stop a Russian attack on NATO. But we undergird the credibility of our first-use doctrine by deploying US soldiers and having a range of nuclear options from tactical to theater to then strategic. We essentially got rid of that range of options, which was important to link US commitments to NATO, the US strategic deterrent. Now Putin has found the hole in the US doctrine. Q: With advocating a no-fly zone, it sounds like you think we should be willing to risk a certain amount of escalation. A: I think we have to. We have to think about our situation and measure what actions we can take against what risks they incur both immediate and long-term. Q: The ultimate question is: Does the West stand by and watch innocent people slaughtered? A: I think that’s the conundrum that the administration is facing. What can we do without provoking a red line? And the answer to that is: It doesn’t just depend on us. It depends on Putin. I’d say it’s more than a little unpredictable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted March 5, 2022 25 minutes ago, Gladiators said: I have wondered...what would Putin have done if NATO put tanks, troops, etc on the Ukraine border early on. I think all the major players have known how this would play out from the beginning. NATO pretends to care by sending some money/weapons, but they don't really GAF. I don't pretend to know all that has occurred behind the scene. But, short of all out war, putin was going to move regardless. That's kinda how it worked with Hitler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted March 5, 2022 I think the fact that we've been restrained has paid off. Germany suddenly boosted their D spending along with others. Hey kids, were OK in America, you're the one who are focked. The threat is more imminent to them than us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gladiators 1,995 Posted March 5, 2022 11 minutes ago, wiffleball said: I don't pretend to know all that has occurred behind the scene. But, short of all out war, putin was going to move regardless. That's kinda how it worked with Hitler. But then what's the point? Ukraine should have just said, fine, you win...take everything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted March 5, 2022 Just now, Gladiators said: But then what's the point? Ukraine should have just said, fine, you win...take everything. Except, they don't want that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gladiators 1,995 Posted March 5, 2022 19 minutes ago, wiffleball said: Except, they don't want that? Fock if I know. I trust pretty much nothing. I was also thinking earlier today...if we want to get more people back into the work force, just tank the stock market and continue to jack up inflation. People will be forced to work...most of us are just pawns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted March 5, 2022 So no country will help Ukraine and NATO won't even establish a no fly zone over Ukraine, while establishing them over countries around Ukraine. The last person blaming Putin please turn out the lights. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,517 Posted March 5, 2022 8 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said: Squiggy, you just keep beating horses beyond the point at which most of their dust has blown away. Glad to see you come around to Russia being the bad guy. Russias reaction is what’s bad. What led up to it is a different story. And disciples of the leftist media like you and pig vomit aren’t capable of having that discussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,517 Posted March 5, 2022 2 hours ago, TimmySmith said: So no country will help Ukraine and NATO won't even establish a no fly zone over Ukraine, while establishing them over countries around Ukraine. The last person blaming Putin please turn out the lights. Ukraine is having serious regrets. They probably thought they were ok with Biden in office after they took care of him and his corrupt family. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,517 Posted March 5, 2022 The Russians massed their troops on the border back in April. We had a summit and did nothing. Kept buying the oil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted March 5, 2022 I marvel at all these "leaders" all over the world expressing so much sadness for the Ukrainians who are being slaughtered by the Russians. And they just stare at it from afar and let it keep happening. Either say "too bad, so sad" and get on with their lives, or do something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,704 Posted March 5, 2022 Ukrainians Just Thankful That They Didn't Have To Go Through January 6th https://babylonbee.com/news/ukrainians-just-thankful-that-they-didnt-have-to-go-through-january-6th 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,914 Posted March 5, 2022 8 hours ago, Utilit99 said: I marvel at all these "leaders" all over the world expressing so much sadness for the Ukrainians who are being slaughtered by the Russians. And they just stare at it from afar and let it keep happening. Either say "too bad, so sad" and get on with their lives, or do something. Yeah that’s what I don’t like. We are poosy footing around all of this sort of in but sort of not in. We still are buying Russian oil but condemn it. We want to stay out of a war but we are supplying Ukraine with everything under the sun for war…which is basically being involved. my fear is eventually they are going to surround Kyiv and they are literally going to just starve these people out and we’re going to watch it on live stream, not to mention that they could eventually find Zelenski and you’re going to see him executed on live television. Then we’ll see how strong everyone’s stomach is for saying no they’re not in NATO so we’re not going in. i’m torn. On one hand I’m not willing to risk my kids life for Ukrainians, but I also don’t want to see all these people get whacked and then it stops where? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shorepatrol 1,871 Posted March 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: we are supplying Ukraine with everything under the sun for war…which is basically being involved. Yeah. I'm not sure how that's not a blatant act of war. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted March 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: Yeah that’s what I don’t like. We are poosy footing around all of this sort of in but sort of not in. We still are buying Russian oil but condemn it. We want to stay out of a war but we are supplying Ukraine with everything under the sun for war…which is basically being involved. my fear is eventually they are going to surround Kyiv and they are literally going to just starve these people out and we’re going to watch it on live stream, not to mention that they could eventually find Zelenski and you’re going to see him executed on live television. Then we’ll see how strong everyone’s stomach is for saying no they’re not in NATO so we’re not going in. i’m torn. On one hand I’m not willing to risk my kids life for Ukrainians, but I also don’t want to see all these people get whacked and then it stops where? the Ukrainians voted for it by electing leaders that surrendered their nuclear weapons for a promise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,704 Posted March 5, 2022 9 hours ago, Utilit99 said: I marvel at all these "leaders" all over the world expressing so much sadness for the Ukrainians who are being slaughtered by the Russians. And they just stare at it from afar and let it keep happening. Either say "too bad, so sad" and get on with their lives, or do something. Don’t forget the private sector who make their meaningless attacks on Putin and the war. And this: A Russian singer is out at the Metropolitan Opera after she failed to distance herself from Russian President Vladimir Putin amid the invasion of Ukraine. The Metropolitan Opera announced Thursday that Russian soprano Anna Netrebko will no longer be performing in New York City this or next season, CNN reports. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,790 Posted March 5, 2022 17 minutes ago, Baker Boy said: Don’t forget the private sector who make their meaningless attacks on Putin and the war. And this: A Russian singer is out at the Metropolitan Opera after she failed to distance herself from Russian President Vladimir Putin amid the invasion of Ukraine. The Metropolitan Opera announced Thursday that Russian soprano Anna Netrebko will no longer be performing in New York City this or next season, CNN reports. I saw this. That's effed up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted March 6, 2022 Bomb the Russians Bomb the Russians Bomb the Russians Then they'll never get to you Bomb the Russians Bomb the Russians Bomb the Russians Then we'll see who buries who Strike! While the iron is hot Strike! They won't get off a shot Strike! So our bombs from space protect the all american race Strike! End this menace red Strike! They'd be better off dead Strike! When their last blood is shed then we won't worry who's ahead Bomb the Russians Bomb the Russians Bomb the Russians We don't have to take their sh!t Bomb the Russians Bomb the Russians Bomb the Russians We'll be better off for it Strike! While they're all asleep Strike! Kill the Commie Creeps Strike! They messed with the best now they die like all the rest Strike! Give 'em one more for me Strike! Put it on TV Strike! 'Cause the The Duke would do it He would make the Russkies chew it Bomb the Russians Bomb the Russians Bomb the Russians Bomb the Russians! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,517 Posted March 6, 2022 The Bidens got rich off of Ukraines corruption. Left ‘em high and dry. Shameful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,374 Posted March 6, 2022 https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-americans-broadly-support-ukraine-no-fly-zone-russia-oil-ban-poll-2022-03-04/ Some 74% of Americans - including solid majorities of Republicans and Democrats - said the United States and its allies in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization should impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine, the poll found. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted March 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Gepetto said: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-americans-broadly-support-ukraine-no-fly-zone-russia-oil-ban-poll-2022-03-04/ Some 74% of Americans - including solid majorities of Republicans and Democrats - said the United States and its allies in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization should impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine, the poll found. well the public is completely uninformed about war. the odds are really high that would force Putin to declare war against the West. Hell, there are stories of retired military vets from the US flying to Ukraine to fight the Russians. thats dangerously close to forcing him to declare war on the US. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted March 6, 2022 40 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: The Bidens got rich off of Ukraines corruption. Left ‘em high and dry. Shameful. They are hoping (and allowing) Russia kills all the witnesses. Of course Joe could ruin everything by bragging about it, but the Democrats won't care. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted March 6, 2022 43 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,517 Posted March 6, 2022 Biden came into office and down our pipelines and opened Putins. WTF? Biden is definitely compromised. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,255 Posted March 6, 2022 Well, good new/bad news. There is money to be made in this little event. Opportunities are flowing in. But there are multiple "offerors". I really am disinclined to spend another 6-12 months in a foreign country, particularly where imminent danger is part of the compensation package. I am getting too old for this sh!t. But the money is early retirement level stuff..... SIGH, I am torn....focking Russia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted March 6, 2022 I just saw a video of some crazy Uker climbing atop a Russian tank and waving a Uker flag. I love these people. Balls of steel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,517 Posted March 6, 2022 Still buying Russian oil. How rich are we making them still? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted March 6, 2022 43 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Still buying Russian oil. How rich are we making them still? So quit buying gasoline that is 8 percent refined Russian oil. Make your voice heard! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,517 Posted March 6, 2022 26 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: So quit buying gasoline that is 8 percent refined Russian oil. Make your voice heard! What pct of Russias oil export are we buying? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted March 6, 2022 19 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: What pct of Russias oil export are we buying? You should boycott gasoline because it is tainted with refined Russian oil! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,517 Posted March 6, 2022 36 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: You should boycott gasoline because it is tainted with refined Russian oil! You’re the dummy Psaki is talking too. Still can’t fit it’s out percentages. Didn’t I explain them to you a while back? She thinks you’re dumb. She’s right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted March 6, 2022 8 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: You’re the dummy Psaki is talking too. Still can’t fit it’s out percentages. Didn’t I explain them to you a while back? She thinks you’re dumb. She’s right. Your usual disjointed, nonsensical gibberish makes it tough for whatever you are trying to "explain" to sink in. "Still can't fit it's out percentages." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,517 Posted March 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: Your usual disjointed, nonsensical gibberish makes it tough for whatever you are trying to "explain" to sink in. "Still can't fit it's out percentages." Hang your hat on a typo. At least I know how percentages are used to mislead idiots like you. Sharp guys don’t fall for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,935 Posted March 6, 2022 So happy for the Ukrainian people. Finally getting liberated and getting their first taste of freedom since the 2014 coup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vomit 502 Posted March 6, 2022 18 minutes ago, Cdub100 said: So happy for the Ukrainian people. Finally getting liberated and getting their first taste of freedom since the 2014 coup. Fock you, you disgusting communist piece of complete sh!t 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,935 Posted March 6, 2022 Just now, vomit said: Fock you, you disgusting communist piece of complete sh!t Thank you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
