Ukraine - Doomsday

[fandandy 3,313]

Ukraine is getting bit based on NATO's actions over the past 25 years.

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Just now, fandandy said:

And I completely agree.  Bad things happen.  How to stop them though, that is the tricky part.

My recommendation would be to since '97 not have NATO intentionally move east.

You keep poking you gonna get bit.

I disagree, that's no justification to invade and destroy a country.

[MDC 7,514]

Let me know when there’s a substantiated report of any soldiers actually being castrated. Until then it’s just a nutty guy saying stuff. 

[Gepetto 1,374]

Vladimir Putin & Russia had Ukraine right where they wanted them before the coup.  The Ukrainians wanted to make deals with the West (or at least that's what the West said they wanted) and the Ukrainian President at the time didn't listen to them and sided with Russia for energy deals.  Then the coup happened.  Putin wanted to and wants to reverse that, hence the real reason for this war.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

7 minutes ago, MDC said:

Let me know when there’s a substantiated report of any soldiers actually being castrated. Until then it’s just a nutty guy saying stuff. 

The order was given. He apologized. If he thinks they are cockroaches and not people I’d say they aren’t being afforded proper treatment. If you’re ok with that just say so.  But stop trying to justify your stupid comment. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

5 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Vladimir Putin & Russia had Ukraine right where they wanted them before the coup.  The Ukrainians wanted to make deals with the West (or at least that's what the West said they wanted) and the Ukrainian President at the time didn't listen to them and sided with Russia for energy deals.  Then the coup happened.  Putin wanted to and wants to reverse that, hence the real reason for this war.

I think you’re summing it up quite well. To expand on that, I think Zallinskyy and his crew wanted the graft the west provided but didn’t want to piss Russia off at the same time. That wasn’t possible. Think Putin didn’t know about all the dirty dealings? Zallinsky tried to play both sides. He forgot one side is a bloodthirsty psycho. Maybe he thought his friends in the west would protect him? It’s like all the gangster movies we have all seen. Tessio in The Godfather. “Can’t you get me off the hook Tom, for old times sake?” “Sorry Sally, can’t do it”  

[wiffleball 4,790]

25 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He’s gives the orders. Amazing how you know so much about something you didn’t bother  to look up. 

What's the deferens?

[fandandy 3,313]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He forgot one side is a bloodthirsty psycho.

Why do you think this?  Historically over the past 22 years what has he done moreso than us that would make you say this?

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

3 minutes ago, fandandy said:

Why do you think this?  Historically over the past 22 years what has he done moreso than us that would make you say this?

 

You can make that claim and it wouldn’t be dismissed. Much of the world feels that way. Especially the places we have wrecked. I guess our leaders don’t look so sinister. 

[fandandy 3,313]

I have stated it previously in this thread and I stand by it now.  I respect Putin more than any current world leader.  What he has done for his nation is nothing short of astounding in my opinion.  

[TimmySmith 2,782]

49 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Wonder how an Eastern European comic turned politician amassed such a fortune? 

Same as Biden and Pelosi, public service. Pays better than any other profession. 

[wiffleball 4,790]

20 minutes ago, fandandy said:

I have stated it previously in this thread and I stand by it now.  I respect Putin more than any current world leader.  What he has done for his nation is nothing short of astounding in my opinion.  

Not that I really care what you think. I don't mean that in a mean way, I just literally don't care. But what Putin has done is divvy up his country's natural resources and anything else he can exploit to give to oligarchs who in turn make him rich and keep him in power.  - instead of investing in his nation's infrastructure and well-being.

 

If you  don't believe that, there's a couple things that are very easy to do. Look at the horrible equipment and supplies that he has sent with his conscripted troops into Ukraine.

 

 

Moreover, pull up the CIA World Factbook or any other comparative statistics and look at Russia in terms of median income, health, education, you name it.

 

But that's just my opinion. Backed up by facts of course. But feel free to feel whatever you want to feel.

[fandandy 3,313]

Just now, wiffleball said:

Not that I really care what you think. I don't mean that in a mean way, I just literally don't care. But what good is done is divvy up his country's natural resources and anything else he can exploit to give to oligarchs who in turn make him rich and keep him in power.  - instead of investing in his nation's infrastructure and well-being.

 

If you approve of that, there's a couple things that are very easy to do. Look at the horrible equipment and supplies that he has sent with his conscripted troops into Ukraine.

 

 

Moreover, pull up the CIA World Factbook or any other comparative statistics and look at Russia in terms of median income, health, education, you name it.

 

But that's just my opinion. Backed up by facts of course. But feel free to feel whatever you want to feel.

Let's see how it all plays out.

Did you watch as he stepped in to save Assad and Syria from being turned over to the short beards and as soon as that happened the tide seemed to turn overnight and then, of course, the USA claims victory over the terrorists that they armed and trained?

Tails between their legs.

Let's just see how this plays out.  

 

[fandandy 3,313]

Putin is brilliant.

The USA is run by fools, backed up by facts of course, but still fools.

[fandandy 3,313]

Saudi is going to begin accepting payments in the Yuan.  The Petro-Dollar is soon to be a thing of the past and America's retarded leaders know it.  

[Brad GLuckman 519]

Just now, fandandy said:

Putin is brilliant.

The USA is run by fools, backed up by facts of course, but still fools.

What about this makes Putin look brilliant? His military and intelligence services have been exposed to the world as weak and incompetent. If it wasn't for the Nukes he inherited, Russia would be as significant as Italy on the word stage.

[fandandy 3,313]

Russia sits on more land than any nation on earth with a military strong enough to protect it and has a debt of 62.5 Billion.

The USA?

21 Trillion?

LOL

Go fock yourself.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

8 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Not that I really care what you think. I don't mean that in a mean way, I just literally don't care. But what Putin has done is divvy up his country's natural resources and anything else he can exploit to give to oligarchs who in turn make him rich and keep him in power.  - instead of investing in his nation's infrastructure and well-being.

 

If you  don't believe that, there's a couple things that are very easy to do. Look at the horrible equipment and supplies that he has sent with his conscripted troops into Ukraine.

 

 

Moreover, pull up the CIA World Factbook or any other comparative statistics and look at Russia in terms of median income, health, education, you name it.

 

But that's just my opinion. Backed up by facts of course. But feel free to feel whatever you want to feel.

Nope, no oligarchs in the United States. Everyone here is just a modern day Horatio Alger story come to life. 

[fandandy 3,313]

We just make words up to define numbers.  That is how focked we are.

Ummmm, trillion?  Does that sound good?

[wiffleball 4,790]

2 minutes ago, fandandy said:

Saudi is going to begin accepting payments in the Yuan.  The Petro-Dollar is soon to be a thing of the past and America's retarded leaders know it.  

This is something I posted about years ago. Most people are under the misconception that we let Saudi Arabia get away with anything because we need their oil. We sure s*** don't. But what we desperately want is for them to keep pricing oil in dollars.

[fandandy 3,313]

I can almost guarantee that I am arguing with a person who doesn't have his house paid off.

I'll hang up and listen...

[fandandy 3,313]

3 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

This is something I posted about years ago. Most people are under the misconception that we let Saudi Arabia get away with anything because we need their oil. We sure s*** don't. But what we desperately want is for them to keep pricing oil in dollars.

Those days are done and the pendulum WILL swing much faster than any so-called experts you idiots watch on the TV say it will.

I honestly hate to be the smartest guy in the room.  It is depressing.

[wiffleball 4,790]

This is a good read for anybody who wants to learn how the Oligarchy came to be in Russia. 

Yeltsin, then Putin literally sold their country for power.  

 

And when you see that, you will look at America's billionaires and see them compared to the way the Russians got their wealth, our billionaires truly are relatively Horatio Alger stories.

 

https://theconversation.com/meet-russias-oligarchs-a-group-of-men-who-wont-be-toppling-putin-anytime-soon-178474

[wiffleball 4,790]

5 minutes ago, fandandy said:

Those days are done and the pendulum WILL swing much faster than any so-called experts you idiots watch on the TV say it will.

I honestly hate to be the smartest guy in the room.  It is depressing.

So. You're alone tonight?  

[Voltaire 5,322]

24 minutes ago, fandandy said:

Putin is brilliant.

The USA is run by fools, backed up by facts of course, but still fools.

I see the calculus... three weeks ago. Putin was hungry not just for a slice, but for all of Ukraine, meanwhile the US was apparently run by a vegetable of little consequence. In theory, "strike now" was a good idea for him. You get an easy victory against a weak foe, nobody will do anything but apply temporary sanctions for a few years and forget about it.

I think though, the last three weeks demonstrates that the bottom fell out of the 'brilliant Putin' argument. Meanwhile, the fools have the general idea of which way is up and have assembled enough talent around them to overcome their usual stupidity and actually accomplish something. Biden* bumbled the lead up to war personally, signaling his cards and talking about "if it (was) a small incursion"... eh... yes, he's a moron. Kamala* doesn't know west from east. She's a moron too. But since the invasion, the response has been rather impressive IMO. I have a million complaints about Biden* but not about how they've conducted the war since he invasion. Actually, I think it's impressive. If it's like Commandant Lassard getting credit for what Mahoney, Tackleberry, Hightower, and the rest accomplish, so be it.

[fandandy 3,313]

8 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

This is a good read for anybody who wants to learn how the Oligarchy came to be in Russia. 

Yeltsin, then Putin literally sold their country for power.  

 

And when you see that, you will look at America's billionaires and see them compared to the way the Russians got their wealth, our billionaires truly are relatively Horatio Alger stories.

I listened to a story this morning on NPR and someone was talking about the wealth distribution in Russia and how is it is actually worse by a factor of I think three than most western nations.

So what though?

What are you gonna do?

Laws mean a lot when you have the means to enforce them.  

Russia is saying, bring it...

So, then what?

Wealth distribution in the world is absolutely disgusting.  Look at Africa.  That entire continent has wallowed in death for decades and nobody gives a damn.  That is the honest truth.  Nobody cares.  Americans are happy until they watch things at 6:30 on the news then they talk about it and feel informed and empowered because we are fat and stoopid.

This is an issue because this is an issue to those much more important and powerful than us and they are making certain that all of us pay attention and understand how atrocious this all is, not for the people of Ukraine, but for them.

That is a fact.

Those truly in power do not give a damn about life or death, they care about control and their bottom line.

[Voltaire 5,322]

16 minutes ago, fandandy said:

I can almost guarantee that I am arguing with a person who doesn't have his house paid off.

I'll hang up and listen...

No. We know many stories about wiffleball's house, although none recently.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

We have more oligarchs. According to Forbes, there are 724 billionaires in the United States. Russia has 117. The Waltons are a real Horatio Alger story in the flesh. 

[fandandy 3,313]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

We have more oligarchs. According to Forbes, there are 724 billionaires in the United States. Russia has 117. The Waltons are a real Horatio Alger story in the flesh. 

It's the distribution of wealth though that I think Wiff was referring to, and he has a point, but so what?  What are you gonna do?

[Voltaire 5,322]

12 minutes ago, fandandy said:

Look at Africa.  That entire continent has wallowed in death for decades  since hominids first learned to walk on two legs and nobody gives a damn. 

fixed.

[fandandy 3,313]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

fixed.

But tomorrow the powers that actually do be could decide to make this reality an issue and a series of stories and it would become a thing suddenly.  We would be downsizing on purpose and still paying for the upgraded meal and a percent of the proceeds would be sent to Africa and on it would go and we would all feel good about it because we are a collection a complete morons.

[wiffleball 4,790]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

We have more oligarchs. According to Forbes, there are 724 billionaires in the United States. Russia has 117. The Waltons are a real Horatio Alger story in the flesh. 

Jesus, this is stupid. Talk about apples and elephants. Yeltsin and Putin took entire nationalized Industries like aluminum or cold or steel and gave them or effectively gave them at a massive discount to cronies that would in turn make their leaders rich and back their power.

We don't have nationalized Industries in this country. You mentioned The Waltons. Tell me a time when the US government controlled all retail. They didn't. Never. Ever. And guess what? The Waltons don't have a monopoly on retail. You can't say that about some of the nationalised industries the oligarchs control now in Russia.

 

 in its simplest terms, oligarchs are almost always at least billionaires. But just because you're a billionaire doesn't make you an oligarch.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

10 minutes ago, fandandy said:

It's the distribution of wealth though that I think Wiff was referring to, and he has a point, but so what?  What are you gonna do?

Pointing a finger at Russia oligarchs while acting like we don’t have any. Mark Zuckerberg spent 330 million dollars on the last election. And people in this country rioted over George Floyd. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,518]

2 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Jesus, this is stupid. Talk about apples and elephants. Yeltsin and Putin took entire nationalized Industries like aluminum or cold or steel and gave them or effectively gave them at a massive discount to cronies that would in turn make their leaders rich and back their power.

We don't have nationalized Industries in this country. You mentioned The Waltons. Tell me a time when the US government controlled all retail. They didn't. Never. Ever. And guess what? The Waltons don't have a monopoly on retail. You can't say that about some of the nationalised industries the oligarchs control now in Russia.

 

 in its simplest terms, oligarchs are almost always at least billionaires. But just because you're a billionaire doesn't make you an oligarch.

My point is Putin controls his oligarchs and they make him rich. Our oligarchs control our leaders and make them rich. Disagree? 

[fandandy 3,313]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Pointing a finger at Russia oligarchs while acting like we don’t have any. Mark Zuckerberg spent 330 million dollars on the last election. And people in this country rioted over George Floyd. 

And it is obviously absolute control.  Some can't see it.  It is hard to be angry at them but it is dumfounding to me.

[fandandy 3,313]

They literally own us.  That is a fact.

This is not paranoia, it is reality.

[fandandy 3,313]

We are living in Revelation.  Why us?  What bad timing is this?  No matter what you may believe this is messed up timing.

[Gepetto 1,374]

Countries like Russia and African countries are corrupt and take all their industries and economic gain for the very limited elite and government leaders and because it is done in an unfair and/or illegal type of way, the millions and millions of people that live in those countries are not able to prosper or worse live at or below poverty levels.  That is not happening in the United States no matter the number of billionaires living here because the vast majority or living well or better than well, because the government is not corrupt here like in Russia.

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

44 minutes ago, fandandy said:

Russia sits on more land than any nation on earth with a military strong enough to protect it and has a debt of 62.5 Billion.

The USA?

21 Trillion?

LOL

Go fock yourself.

Putin thought it would all be over in a matter of days. The Ukers have pantsed him and exposed Russian weakness and crapassery for what it is. Other than nukes, we have nothing to fear from this backassward, corrupt and dysfunctional country. The Ukers have picked off at least five generals. You picked the wrong horse, bro.

[fandandy 3,313]

6 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Putin thought it would all be over in a matter of days. The Ukers have pantsed him and exposed Russian weakness and crapassery for what it is. Other than nukes, we have nothing to fear from this backassward, corrupt and dysfunctional country. The Ukers have picked off at least five generals. You picked the wrong horse, bro.

Aside from nuclear, there was never a land threat from Russia, for us.  Us defending everyone else on the planet for what reason exactly?  Why?  We are doing it for a reason and by we I mean them, we are not in the club.  You and I are never going to Mars if sh1t gets bad.  What is our honest issue with Russia?  It has been consistent my entire life and I honestly believe that our relationship with Russia is this because this is what we want.  We want utter capitulation and subjugation or war.  And by we I mean them.  There is no we.  There is a vague representation of we.