nobody 2,694 Posted March 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, fandandy said: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/4956/production/_122647781_nato_member_states_10jan_map640-2x-nc.png Really? Should I assume you're posting this because you think it's evidence, NATO intends to take over Russia? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,374 Posted March 20, 2022 https://english.nv.ua/nation/foreign-minister-dmytro-kuleba-no-matter-how-difficult-it-may-be-we-cannot-give-up-50225539.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vomit 502 Posted March 20, 2022 5 hours ago, fandandy said: Russia will not allow Ukraine to join NATO, period. Russia doesn't get to make decisions for other countries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,517 Posted March 20, 2022 26 minutes ago, vomit said: Russia doesn't get to make decisions for other countries. NATO agreed to and gave assurances they would not expand eastward. . Ukraine gave up their nukes and were told they would be protected and that they would remain neutral. When are you going to just admit that NATO has blame here? While Russia was dealing with the aftermath of the breakup of the Soviet Union NATO was going back on their word within a few years adding more and more countries and moving further eastward, which they said they wouldn’t do. And here we are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,517 Posted March 20, 2022 Damn, Hunter Biden had a lot of dealings with the Russians. I thought it was mostly China and Ukraine, but he was all over Russia. Also is invested in a Chinese oil conglomerate that is one of the biggest polluters in the world. It’s just Fockin funny at this point. His father is closing down pipelines here because of climate change, but meanwhile his crackhead son with zero experience or talent is getting rich off of one the largest polluters in the world. 10 pct for the big guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted March 20, 2022 39 minutes ago, vomit said: Russia doesn't get to make decisions for other countries. They seem to be doing pretty well making decisions for Ukraine right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,936 Posted March 20, 2022 2 hours ago, vomit said: Russia doesn't get to make decisions for other countries. Don't be a child. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,517 Posted March 20, 2022 Almost every time we go messing around in countries our political class are looking to exploit we end up in some sort of conflict. So Fock anyone who says that’s Russian propaganda. I didn’t know the truth was propaganda. I always just thought it was the truth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,517 Posted March 20, 2022 Oh yeah, I forgot about some of the NATO countries that wouldn’t let us land our planes during the Iraq war. And the ones who went around our sanctions on Iraq prior to the Iraq war. Now that their back is up against it we’re supposed to put their interests first? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vomit 502 Posted March 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Cdub100 said: Don't be a child. Don't get hoodwinked by propaganda Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vomit 502 Posted March 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: NATO agreed to and gave assurances they would not expand eastward. . Ukraine gave up their nukes and were told they would be protected and that they would remain neutral. When are you going to just admit that NATO has blame here? While Russia was dealing with the aftermath of the breakup of the Soviet Union NATO was going back on their word within a few years adding more and more countries and moving further eastward, which they said they wouldn’t do. And here we are. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2014/11/06/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted March 20, 2022 rusty is proving himself dumber and dumber by the second. And we all thought he couldn't be any dumber. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted March 20, 2022 Ukers picking off Russian generals. https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/03/20/ukraine-russian-generals-patraeus-sotu-vpx.cnn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,517 Posted March 20, 2022 25 minutes ago, vomit said: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2014/11/06/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/ Are you kidding ? It quotes the NATO sec general saying they wouldn’t. Please, stop using neo con think tanks to push propaganda. You act like it all ended with Gorbachev, there was no further discussion on the matter. As a matter of fact, Gorbachev didn’t even discuss the matter with Jim Baker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted March 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, TimmySmith said: rusty is proving himself dumber and dumber by the second. And we all thought he couldn't be any dumber. It took you 15 hours to come up with this profound statement? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted March 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said: Ukers picking off Russian generals. https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/03/20/ukraine-russian-generals-patraeus-sotu-vpx.cnn Exactly how is US intelligence, the "Ukranian people". We are fighting the war below the surface and that is dangerous to all of us. But I suppose you are the type that bought "Arab spring". That sure turned out great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,914 Posted March 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, TimmySmith said: Exactly how is US intelligence, the "Ukranian people". We are fighting the war below the surface and that is dangerous to all of us. But I suppose you are the type that bought "Arab spring". That sure turned out great. My biggest fear in all of this is that Democrats base everything they do off of the emotion rather than logic. The Ukrainians and Zelensky are doing a good job of tugging at the heartstrings and pleading and begging for us to help in a war that is not ours whatsoever. Say that again slowly. This is not our war. But Democrats are doing everything they can to pull us into a world war because they want to be the hero. And it’s not because they care about Ukraine or the people. They just care about looking good. They will cause you problems just to fix it to make themselves look good. That’s how they’ve always been Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted March 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, TimmySmith said: Exactly how is US intelligence, the "Ukranian people". We are fighting the war below the surface and that is dangerous to all of us. But I suppose you are the type that bought "Arab spring". That sure turned out great. I think you need another 15 hours to write anything that smacks of intelligence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,517 Posted March 20, 2022 Dear Jesus: First and foremost I would like to pray for an end to the war in Ukraine and wish the matter could be resolved in a peaceful manner going forward. War is a horrible thing and I pray to you that it does not escalate any further. That being said, I humbly ask of you that if we are dragged into this conflict in Europe (round 3) that Vomits and Rusty’s loved ones are drafted and sent to the front lines. Amen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted March 20, 2022 Going back to my Stalingrad reference: https://www.history.co.uk/history-of-ww2/how-russia-won-the-battle-of-stalingrad Quote As the battle began in earnest, the Luftwaffe dropped 1,000 tons of bombs on Stalingrad, a misjudgement that created a rubble-strewn landscape perfect for defence. Quote German troops were taken aback by the fierce street fighting they found themselves engaged in during their advance to the city centre. For soldiers accustomed to the well-choreographed mobile warfare, ferocious close-quarter fighting in the city's ruins was a new and terrifying experience. This is what is going to happen to the Russians when they try to move into razed cities. They're already demoralized. Their generals are getting picked off. They've lost so much military equipment that Russia has asked China for help. The Ukers are fighting smart and willing to fight until the last man. Communication has gone to shat. The supply chain is focked. The Russian people hate what's going on there and in their own country. Almost the whole world is united, and Democrats and Republicans in this country are united with it, and yet some of you idiots remain Putin apologists desperately gish galloping out of having to face the reality of what is going on here. Sad but highly entertaining and amusing. Putin is losing, and it won't be long before he gets replaced. Meanwhile, Biden knows how to handle this guy, and he's doing a great job at it, whether you like it or not. Here's a great piece on how this came about: https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/19/politics/joe-biden-vladimir-putin-personal-history/index.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,517 Posted March 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: Going back to my Stalingrad reference: https://www.history.co.uk/history-of-ww2/how-russia-won-the-battle-of-stalingrad This is what is going to happen to the Russians when they try to move into razed cities. They're already demoralized. Their generals are getting picked off. They've lost so much military equipment that Russia has asked China for help. The Ukers are fighting smart and willing to fight until the last man. Communication has gone to shat. The supply chain is focked. The Russian people hate what's going on there and in their own country. Almost the whole world is united, and Democrats and Republicans in this country are united with it, and yet some of you idiots remain Putin apologists desperately gish galloping out of having to face the reality of what is going on here. Sad but highly entertaining and amusing. Putin is losing, and it won't be long before he gets replaced. Meanwhile, Biden knows how to handle this guy, and he's doing a great job at it, whether you like it or not. Here's a great piece on how this came about: https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/19/politics/joe-biden-vladimir-putin-personal-history/index.html So you’re using the Russian performance at Stalingrad to make your point? Didn’t you say I shouldn’t be referencing the Iraq war? It was old news? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted March 20, 2022 17 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: So you’re using the Russian performance at Stalingrad to make your point? Didn’t you say I shouldn’t be referencing the Iraq war? It was old news? You're comparing apples to kitty litter. I understand that you have very little in redeeming qualities, and intelligence certainly is not among what little you have, but you're trying to compare war justification to battle strategies and the defense of a city in rubble. The Germans focked up at Stalingrad by giving the Russians a rubble-strewn landscape in which to fight. Now the Russians, out of frustration over the Ukrainian defense of their country, are focking up by bombing, shelling and shooting missiles indiscriminately in an effort to break the Uker spirit and will to fight, which they will not. In your mind, West Point shouldn't be teaching military history classes because the United States wasn't justified in invading Iraq two decades ago, which is hilarious. By the way, to punctuate my point, here are the military history classes taught at West Point: https://www.westpoint.edu/academics/academic-departments/history/military-history Military History Courses HI 301: History of the Military Art HI 302: History of the Military Art HI 338: Warfare in the Age of Revolutions HI 355: Warfare in the Age of Industrialization HI 356: War at Sea and in the Air HI 357: Warfare since 1945 HI 358: Strategy, Policy, and Generalship HI 359: The Era of the Second World War HI 370: Ancient and Medieval Warfare HI 376: Early Modern Warfare HI 381: Unconventional Warfare HI 385: War and its Theorists Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,517 Posted March 20, 2022 Just now, Pimpadeaux said: You're comparing apples to kitty litter. I understand that you have very little in redeeming qualities, and intelligence certainly is not among what little you have, but you're trying to compare war justification to battle strategies and the defense of a city in rubble. The Germans focked up by giving the Russians a rubble-strewn landscape in which to fight. Now the Russians, out of frustration over the Ukrainian defense of their country, are focking up by bombing, shelling and shooting missiles indiscriminately in an effort to break the Uker spirit and will to fight, which they will not. In your mind, West Point shouldn't be teaching military history classes because the United States wasn't justified in invading Iraq two decades ago, which is hilarious. By the way, the punctuate my point, here are the military history classes taught at West Point: https://www.westpoint.edu/academics/academic-departments/history/military-history Military History Courses HI 301: History of the Military Art HI 302: History of the Military Art HI 338: Warfare in the Age of Revolutions HI 355: Warfare in the Age of Industrialization HI 356: War at Sea and in the Air HI 357: Warfare since 1945 HI 358: Strategy, Policy, and Generalship HI 359: The Era of the Second World War HI 370: Ancient and Medieval Warfare HI 376: Early Modern Warfare HI 381: Unconventional Warfare HI 385: War and its Theorists There was lots of rubble in Iraq. Lots of fighting in it too. Why go all the way back to Stalingrad? Also Putin bombed the Fock out of Chechnya. How did that work out? You don’t know. You didn’t care about them. But now that you have been directed to care about Ukraine you’re all in. Baaa. Baaaa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted March 20, 2022 11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: There was lots of rubble in Iraq. Lots of fighting in it too. Why go all the way back to Stalingrad? Also Putin bombed the Fock out of Chechnya. How did that work out? You don’t know. You didn’t care about them. But now that you have been directed to care about Ukraine you’re all in. Baaa. Baaaa. Link to the United States engaging in indiscriminate bombing, shelling and missile-shooting? I'm focusing on the tactical advantage that the Russians are creating now for the Ukrainians by giving them a rubble-strewn environment in which to fight. I used Stalingrad as an example. All this other noise of yours is your usual gish galloping because you can't stay on point. It's funny that your butt buddy Putin does the same thing. Go read that story about how Biden keeps Putin on point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,694 Posted March 20, 2022 Rusty. Stop. Do you think it's harder to hide in a building than a pile of rocks? Im sure you've already scoured the internet for someone saying that destroying a city full of civilians forcing the military to be distracted talking care of that mess is a good thing. What does it tell you that you haven't found people saying that yet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vomit 502 Posted March 20, 2022 47 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Are you kidding ? It quotes the NATO sec general saying they wouldn’t. Please, stop using neo con think tanks to push propaganda. You act like it all ended with Gorbachev, there was no further discussion on the matter. As a matter of fact, Gorbachev didn’t even discuss the matter with Jim Baker. https://theconversation.com/ukraine-the-history-behind-russias-claim-that-nato-promised-not-to-expand-to-the-east-177085 https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/28/candace-owens/fact-checking-claims-nato-us-broke-agreement-again/ https://www.rferl.org/a/nato-expansion-russia-mislead/31263602.html https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/12/russias-belief-in-nato-betrayal-and-why-it-matters-today Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted March 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, nobody said: Rusty. Stop. Do you think it's harder to hide in a building than a pile of rocks? Im sure you've already scoured the internet for someone saying that destroying a city full of civilians forcing the military to be distracted talking care of that mess is a good thing. What does it tell you that you haven't found people saying that yet? I've already provided an example of how I think this might play out. The Germans turning Stalingrad into rubble created an advantage for the Russians. We shall see. I've said all along that the nastiest part of all this will be the Uker insurgency against the Russians, and there are tons of stories out there about that. Take some time to read them instead of thinking you know everything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted March 20, 2022 Not sure if it was posted before in this thread, but Russia 2 weeks ago made piracy legal to combat sanctions. Russians can steal video games, TV shows, movies, music, or any IPs really for free, no charges pressed. https://gamerant.com/russia-piracy-legal/ Russia is Legalizing Video Game Piracy in Response to Sanctions BY DALTON COOPERPUBLISHED MAR 11, 2022 The Russian government is effectively making it legal for its citizens to pirate video games and other content from companies located in countries that have imposed sanctions on it. As reported by City A.M. and IGN, the Russian government is now allowing it companies to use IP from companies located in other countries without actually having to pay them. It's also been suggested that torrent sites will be unblocked to make it easier for Russian citizens to pirate content. Russian citizens will be able to pirate movies without needing to fear any kind of legal repercussions, and this would extend to other forms of entertainment as well, like video games and TV shows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,694 Posted March 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Pimpadeaux said: I've already provided an example of how I think this might play out. The Germans turning Stalingrad into rubble created an advantage for the Russians. We shall see. I've said all along that the nastiest part of all this will be the Uker insurgency against the Russians, and there are tons of stories out there about that. Take some time to read them instead of thinking you know everything. No, turning Stalingrad into rubble did not create an advantage for the Russians. They didn't "hide amongst the rubble." They used the buildings that were partially standing. This is JustinCharge level dumb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted March 20, 2022 15 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: Not sure if it was posted before in this thread, but Russia 2 weeks ago made piracy legal to combat sanctions. Russians can steal video games, TV shows, movies, music, or any IPs really for free, no charges pressed. https://gamerant.com/russia-piracy-legal/ Russia is Legalizing Video Game Piracy in Response to Sanctions BY DALTON COOPERPUBLISHED MAR 11, 2022 The Russian government is effectively making it legal for its citizens to pirate video games and other content from companies located in countries that have imposed sanctions on it. As reported by City A.M. and IGN, the Russian government is now allowing it companies to use IP from companies located in other countries without actually having to pay them. It's also been suggested that torrent sites will be unblocked to make it easier for Russian citizens to pirate content. Russian citizens will be able to pirate movies without needing to fear any kind of legal repercussions, and this would extend to other forms of entertainment as well, like video games and TV shows. Hmmm.....Reminds of another country I know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,984 Posted March 20, 2022 19 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: Not sure if it was posted before in this thread, but Russia 2 weeks ago made piracy legal to combat sanctions. Russians can steal video games, TV shows, movies, music, or any IPs really for free, no charges pressed. https://gamerant.com/russia-piracy-legal/ Russia is Legalizing Video Game Piracy in Response to Sanctions BY DALTON COOPERPUBLISHED MAR 11, 2022 The Russian government is effectively making it legal for its citizens to pirate video games and other content from companies located in countries that have imposed sanctions on it. As reported by City A.M. and IGN, the Russian government is now allowing it companies to use IP from companies located in other countries without actually having to pay them. It's also been suggested that torrent sites will be unblocked to make it easier for Russian citizens to pirate content. Russian citizens will be able to pirate movies without needing to fear any kind of legal repercussions, and this would extend to other forms of entertainment as well, like video games and TV shows. Well that will solve everything. The ruble means jack but they can steal a whole season of Saved by the Bell....problem solved. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted March 20, 2022 18 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: Well that will solve everything. The ruble means jack but they can steal a whole season of Saved by the Bell....problem solved. Putin learned from the best. Democratic run city "leaders" from right here in the US. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted March 20, 2022 1 hour ago, nobody said: No, turning Stalingrad into rubble did not create an advantage for the Russians. They didn't "hide amongst the rubble." They used the buildings that were partially standing. This is JustinCharge level dumb. So did they tidy up all the rubble from the partially destroyed buildings, giving them nice, clean partially standing buildings to hide behind, mr. knowbody? Gen. Semenovopopin: "Sgt. Smirnovovich, round up some men and clean up that rubble next to the partially standing building! The advancing Germans will be here soon! " Sgt. Smirnovovich: "But, comrade, sir, what is the point of that? We can hide behind the rubble and shoot the Nazi bastages!" Gen. Semenovopopin pulls out pistol and shoots Sgt. Smirnovovich's brains out. Gen. Semenovovopopin: "Anyone else want to disobey orders? That rubble is EMBARRASSING!!! We don't want the Germans to think we like to live in a ghetto. Corp. Petrovovovichopoponoff, round up some men and get rid of that unsightly rubble!!!!" Corp. Petrovovovichopoponoff: "YES SIR!!!" 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vomit 502 Posted March 20, 2022 Rusty probably flooded his own house during the hurricane to give his family an advantage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted March 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, Gepetto said: And some of you sissies think the will give up or ought to give up. They ain't giving up. They will never give up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted March 20, 2022 14 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: And some of you sissies think the will give up or ought to give up. They ain't giving up. They will never give up. Who said they should give up? And what was their reasoning? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,517 Posted March 20, 2022 15 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: And some of you sissies think the will give up or ought to give up. They ain't giving up. They will never give up. You should get over there. Men 18-60 have been ordered to stay and fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted March 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: You should get over there. Men 18-60 have been ordered to stay and fight. Yeah, rusty is the 'brave man' that says we should stop talking about our own country's problems because of the Ukraine situation. And then he cries about Trump in every other post and then calls other people here sissies for some reason. Maybe he will get a direct flight to Poland and cross into Ukraine to help fight the good fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,694 Posted March 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said: You should get over there. Men 18-60 have been ordered to stay and fight. He always has been overly susceptible to propaganda. Guys like him will really eat up all of Zalensky's advertisements. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
