PA conservative group wants to put spies in schools

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

The takeover is underway. What those opposed to it have to say doesn’t matter anymore. They should have spoke. Up sooner and shut down the “few idiots” before they grew to more than a few.  Oh well. Cameras are all over schools, and in buses in a lot of places. No reason they shouldn’t be in classrooms as well. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

30 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Based on what data?

Based on the fact that on just this board alone, in the thread about libs on tik tok and whatnot, there's plenty of clips from teachers posting their own content talking about it.  Based on the fact that the justice department has data stating that only an average of 10 black people a year get shot by cops.

If you think that the only teachers out there pushing this are the ones on tik tok that have been posted on this board, I have a bridge in San Francisco I'd like to sell you.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

Based on the fact that on just this board alone, in the thread about libs on tik tok and whatnot, there's plenty of clips from teachers posting their own content talking about it.  Based on the fact that the justice department has data stating that only an average of 10 black people a year get shot by cops.

If you think that the only teachers out there pushing this are the ones on tik tok that have been posted on this board, I have a bridge in San Francisco I'd like to sell you.

Unarmed black people. And it’s less than ten. Wanted to say that before one of the moderates jump down your throat. 

[Hawkeye21 2,454]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Based on the fact that on just this board alone, in the thread about libs on tik tok and whatnot, there's plenty of clips from teachers posting their own content talking about it.  Based on the fact that the justice department has data stating that only an average of 10 black people a year get shot by cops.

If you think that the only teachers out there pushing this are the ones on tik tok that have been posted on this board, I have a bridge in San Francisco I'd like to sell you.

If you think those teachers represent a big enough percentage for this to be a national crisis then you can keep that bridge, you need it.

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

Anyone who says "hopefully" to a teacher getting shot for some perceived slight is not a rational person. They should be ignored and ridiculed. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

If you think those teachers represent a big enough percentage for this to be a national crisis then you can keep that bridge, you need it.

You realize that the State of NJ has plans to roll this out in September, right?  Not just a district or school... the whole state.

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Unarmed black people. And it’s less than ten. Wanted to say that before one of the moderates jump down your throat. 

Yeah, I mentioned that in my prior post.  Didn't think I needed to be overly redundant.  Yeah, it is less than 10, but I figured someone would look it up because they felt my number was too low... then find out I was on the high side.  

[Hawkeye21 2,454]

4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You realize that the State of NJ has plans to roll this out in September, right?  Not just a district or school... the whole state.

From what I've read, the teachers will be making their curriculum available to parents and if parents do not like what is being taught in those sex-ed classes they can opt out of them.  No one is being forced and groomed to be gay or transgender.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

10 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Anyone who says "hopefully" to a teacher getting shot for some perceived slight is not a rational person. They should be ignored and ridiculed. 

The statement was rape and mutilation, not a slight. Why must you lie to make your point? Is it because your point is invalid? Or are you just a habitual liar? Pathetic. 

[Voltaire 5,489]

8 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Judging teachers and making assumptions of them based off of a few idiots on TikTok is akin to people who say all cops are bad because a few are.

 

 

15 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

So... No data.  I have yet to see how many teachers are grooming students in the nation.  I'm just looking for something factual and not people on TikTok.

It's not based merely on TIkTok,  although the worst of the nuts there ought to be on their ass and away from kids. TikTok is the tip of the iceberg where people get a grasp as to what was going on. Between the 20% of students IDing as LGBTQ and watching the youth of the country riot over fake issues of police abuse and tear down statues of Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln. Something is wrong. These are wake up calls.

And where did that undermining of the culture come from?

In the teachers' professional organizations themselves and complicit school boards. Critical Race Theory and LGBTQ activism issues. are baked into the training session designed, conducted, and required by both major teachers unions and certain school systems. Teachers are instructed/encouraged/present suggestions for how to put this stuff in front of their students and certain craptivistic ones are more than happy to do so whereas many of the rest just go along. Sexually groomed or no, tI don't want to give you guys that tangent to dodge the issue like I did with TikTok, they certainly are being groomed to accept radical leftoid social policy deeply at odds with their parents and the rest of decent society.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

From what I've read, the teachers will be making their curriculum available to parents and if parents do not like what is being taught in those sex-ed classes they can opt out of them.  No one is being forced and groomed to be gay or transgender.

To first graders? On the tax payers dime? I would think a moderate would oppose that. 

[Voltaire 5,489]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

From what I've read, the teachers will be making their curriculum available to parents and if parents do not like what is being taught in those sex-ed classes they can opt out of them.  No one is being forced and groomed to be gay or transgender.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4vHegf3WPU

[Hawkeye21 2,454]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

To first graders? On the tax payers dime? I would think a moderate would oppose that. 

I don't think they should be teaching it children that young and I would opt out of having my child in those classes.  I still don't think they are doing it in order to groom kids to be gay or transgender.  It doesn't make any sense to and sounds like fear mongering from the right.

[Hawkeye21 2,454]

12 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4vHegf3WPU

You've lost your mind, dude.

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

22 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

From what I've read, the teachers will be making their curriculum available to parents and if parents do not like what is being taught in those sex-ed classes they can opt out of them.  No one is being forced and groomed to be gay or transgender.

In what you read, did happen to notice that the standard was put in place 2 years ago and no one knew about it until recently?  Did you notice that while they posted a link online 2 years ago stating they were doing it, but never mentioned on the website or in the link, what it was?  They just posted a generic link knowing that people won't look at it.  Meaning, they were trying to hide the needle in the haystack.  Did, in your readings, you find out that the plan was thought of 4 years ago, but were hesitant on how to present it, but all of a sudden, it got slipped in, right in the early stages of the Coronavirus hub bub?  Did you also notice that NJ parents have always been able to opt their kids out of sex ed since 1980 and that this isn't anything new?  Did you also read that the teachers having to post their curriculum online is a recent addition, and that they never actually intended on doing it?

[Hawkeye21 2,454]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

In what you read, did happen to notice that the standard was put in place 2 years ago and no one knew about it until recently?  Did you notice that while they posted a link online 2 years ago stating they were doing it, but never mentioned on the website or in the link, what it was?  They just posted a generic link knowing that people won't look at it.  Meaning, they were trying to hide the needle in the haystack.  Did, in your readings, you find out that the plan was thought of 4 years ago, but were hesitant on how to present it, but all of a sudden, it got slipped in, right in the early stages of the Coronavirus hub bub?  Did you also notice that NJ parents have always been able to opt their kids out of sex ed since 1980 and that this isn't anything new?  

What are you so concerned about then?  Why is this so upsetting to you?  How is this more important than so many other things going on in our lives?

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

What are you so concerned about then?  Why is this so upsetting to you?  How is this more important than so many other things going on in our lives?

You don't get it because you don't want to.   It's fine.  Stay incompetent my friend.

[Fireballer 2,677]

15 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I still don't think they are doing it in order to groom kids to be gay or transgender.  

Some, but not all. The greater point of ALL of this is ideological grooming.  Remember, this stuff is spearheaded by white,, libtard suburban women. Just like BLM. The attempted mainstreaming of trans, pedo, race hustling,, and all of this garbage is continually knocking these kids on the head with a liberal hammer and driving a wedge into the nuclear family unit.

[Hawkeye21 2,454]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You don't get it because you don't want to.   It's fine.  Stay incompetent my friend.

Just because I don't buy into the fear mongering doesn't mean I don't want to get it.  I don't agree with your opinions on this, that's all.

You saying this would be like JustinCharge saying that we don't get why he guarantees Russia is going to nuke us.

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Just because I don't buy into the fear mongering doesn't mean I don't want to get it.  I don't agree with your opinions on this, that's all.

You saying this would be like JustinCharge saying that we don't get why he guarantees Russia is going to nuke us.

This thread has plenty of people saying what their issues are.  You choose to ignore them.  Anything I add will be dismissed because you choose ignore the issue.  I don't even know why you post in this thread.

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

26 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The statement was rape and mutilation, not a slight. Why must you lie to make your point? Is it because your point is invalid? Or are you just a habitual liar? Pathetic. 

And the poster was saying it as an extreme scenario where someone would think it was happening. You can't read or understand anything. You should lay out of school discussions considering you seemingly never passed school. 

26 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

 

 

It's not based merely on TIkTok,  although the worst of the nuts there ought to be on their ass and away from kids. TikTok is the tip of the iceberg where people get a grasp as to what was going on. Between the 20% of students IDing as LGBTQ and watching the youth of the country riot over fake issues of police abuse and tear down statues of Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln. Something is wrong. These are wake up calls.

And where did that undermining of the culture come from?

In the teachers' professional organizations themselves and complicit school boards. Critical Race Theory and LGBTQ activism issues. are baked into the training session designed, conducted, and required by both major teachers unions and certain school systems. Teachers are instructed/encouraged/present suggestions for how to put this stuff in front of their students and certain craptivistic ones are more than happy to do so whereas many of the rest just go along. Sexually groomed or no, tI don't want to give you guys that tangent to dodge the issue like I did with TikTok, they certainly are being groomed to accept radical leftoid social policy deeply at odds with their parents and the rest of decent society.

How many training sessions have you sat in on? The rest of your stuff is just fear mongering fed to you. 

2 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Some, but not all. The greater point of ALL of this is ideological grooming.  Remember, this stuff is spearheaded by white,, libtard suburban women. Just like BLM. The attempted mainstreaming of trans, pedo, race hustling,, and all of this garbage is continually knocking these kids on the head with a liberal hammer and driving a wedge into the nuclear family unit.

Oh the type of grooming that is all in someone's head? Conveniently the kind no one can prove exists. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

So there’s no grooming? So when a teacher has sex with a student, which does happen, the teacher just does it by force? No talking about sex and feelings beforehand? 

[Hawkeye21 2,454]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

This thread has plenty of people saying what their issues are.  You choose to ignore them.  Anything I add will be dismissed because you choose ignore the issue.  I don't even know why you post in this thread.

I think some of you are a bit looney toons and I try to understand why you think the way you do.  I think some of you watch too much news and you buy into their fearmongering.

[Hawkeye21 2,454]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So there’s no grooming? So when a teacher has sex with a student, which does happen, the teacher just does it by force? No talking about sex and feelings beforehand? 

I think that exists but very rarely.  I also think sometimes it happens naturally between a young teacher and a student.  I also think it's possible to groom a teacher in very rare instances.

None of it is acceptable either.

[Fireballer 2,677]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

 

Oh the type of grooming that is all in someone's head? Conveniently the kind no one can prove exists. 

If you can't see that the "middle" of this country hasn't swung wildly left in our lifetime, then you're not watching.  It's because of this garbage. Remember when a Democrstic president called for abortion to be "safe, legal, and rare"? That would get him ostracized and labeled a misogynist today. But, It must just be stuff that's "all in someone's head" that's gotten us to where we are today. So, Mr Smarty Pants, if not for ideological grooming, how have we gotten to today where the HHS is approving of radical mastectomies for minors and "men can have babies"?  Science?  LMAO.

[taco breath 424]

39 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4vHegf3WPU

im not going to ask where you found that. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

13 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I think some of you are a bit looney toons and I try to understand why you think the way you do.  I think some of you watch too much news and you buy into their fearmongering.

Link

[Hawkeye21 2,454]

Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

Link

What crap are you linking that I can't open?

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What crap are you linking that I can't open?

Works for me and apparently someone else.  Try again?  

[taco breath 424]

14 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Works for me and apparently someone else.  Try again?  

worked for me.

idiot.

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

26 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I think some of you are a bit looney toons and I try to understand why you think the way you do.  I think some of you watch too much news and you buy into their fearmongering.

Sure, I guess you could call it fear mongering if you want, but I'd find it kind of odd for the state to push this out during the covid epidemic at it's peak panic time is kind of fishy, no?  They developed it in 2018, and conveniently waited until over the governor's reelection.  Fishy, no?   In 1980, when the law allowed parents to opt their kids out of sex ed, people who are parents of 5 to 9 year old's weren't born yet, so they probably never knew about this law... but it was never brought up until Van Drew mentioned it recently.  Why did it take so long for that to come out?  Fishy, no?  Why is it that the original plan didn't require teachers to post the curriculum online?  Not fishy to you that it was a recent addition?

 

But, like I said above, stay here my friend.

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

16 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

If you can't see that the "middle" of this country hasn't swung wildly left in our lifetime, then you're not watching.  It's because of this garbage. Remember when a Democrstic president called for abortion to be "safe, legal, and rare"? That would get him ostracized and labeled a misogynist today. But, It must just be stuff that's "all in someone's head" that's gotten us to where we are today. So, Mr Smarty Pants, if not for ideological grooming, how have we gotten to today where the HHS is approving of radical mastectomies for minors and "men can have babies"?  Science?  LMAO.

I'm happy you buy into everything the right is selling you. LMAO

[Hawkeye21 2,454]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Sure, I guess you could call it fear mongering if you want, but I'd find it kind of odd for the state to push this out during the covid epidemic at it's peak panic time is kind of fishy, no?  They developed it in 2018, and conveniently waited until over the governor's reelection.  Fishy, no?   In 1980, when the law allowed parents to opt their kids out of sex ed, people who are parents of 5 to 9 year old's weren't born yet, so they probably never knew about this law... but it was never brought up until Van Drew mentioned it recently.  Why did it take so long for that to come out?  Fishy, no?  Why is it that the original plan didn't require teachers to post the curriculum online?  Not fishy to you that it was a recent addition?

I guess I don't read into things too much.  I don't always think there is some greater scheme behind what's being done.  I know that there could be but I find it a waste of time.  There are too many other things in my life that are actually happening and need my attention.  I try to prioritize what I worry about in life and this is pretty far towards the bottom on my list, and that's with having a 7 and 13 year old in school.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

If you think those teachers represent a big enough percentage for this to be a national crisis then you can keep that bridge, you need it.

spicy take on 1/6.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I guess I don't read into things too much.  I don't always think there is some greater scheme behind what's being done.  I know that there could be but I find it a waste of time.  There are too many other things in my life that are actually happening and need my attention.  I try to prioritize what I worry about in life and this is pretty far towards the bottom on my list, and that's with having a 7 and 13 year old in school.

Why does anyone want to talk to kids in elementary school about sex and gender? 

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9 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I guess I don't read into things too much.  I don't always think there is some greater scheme behind what's being done.  I know that there could be but I find it a waste of time.  There are too many other things in my life that are actually happening and need my attention.  I try to prioritize what I worry about in life and this is pretty far towards the bottom on my list, and that's with having a 7 and 13 year old in school.

Our brains are hardwired to draw connections, to read into things and try and make sense of it, that's why conspiracy theories flourish.  However it's important to remember Occam's razor, the simplest solution is often the correct one.

Media plays into driving fearmongering.  The goal of media is to get the viewers interested and tuned in, the best way to do this is fearmongering.

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

14 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I guess I don't read into things too much.  I don't always think there is some greater scheme behind what's being done.  I know that there could be but I find it a waste of time.  There are too many other things in my life that are actually happening and need my attention.  I try to prioritize what I worry about in life and this is pretty far towards the bottom on my list, and that's with having a 7 and 13 year old in school.

Everything political has an agenda.  Always.  By all of them.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

18 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I guess I don't read into things too much.  I don't always think there is some greater scheme behind what's being done.  I know that there could be but I find it a waste of time.  There are too many other things in my life that are actually happening and need my attention.  I try to prioritize what I worry about in life and this is pretty far towards the bottom on my list, and that's with having a 7 and 13 year old in school.

REALLY spicy take on 1/6.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

3 minutes ago, vomit said:

Our brains are hardwired to draw connections, to read into things and try and make sense of it, that's why conspiracy theories flourish.  However it's important to remember Occam's razor, the simplest solution is often the correct one.

Media plays into driving fearmongering.  The goal of media is to get the viewers interested and tuned in, the best way to do this is fearmongering.

Nah.  This doesn’t fit as far as this subject is concerned. Inappropriate things are happening in schools to our youngest children. It’s undeniable. 

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Nah.  This doesn’t fit as far as this subject is concerned. Inappropriate things are happening in schools to our youngest children. It’s undeniable. 

How do you learn about them?