Boom! Disney getting canceled 🤣😅

[RLLD 4,143]

7 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

It's shocking to me that these CGI pieces of crap they churn out cost $300m+.    I know it's a bit of both, but how much is the content of their movies and how much is the fact that they probably need to reach $1B each to be worth it?  

Its an interesting point, one would think it would be less expensive that setting up an actual set etc....

[RogerDodger 797]

22 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Phuk off bish welcher.  You should have disappeared after you refused that bet, LOLOLOLOL Pathetic.

You're so foking stupid.  

https://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/search/?q=bish

[BuckSwope 654]

1 hour ago, BeachGuy23 said:

You call it trite nonsense.

You sir are a pearl clutcher.

You'd have said the same thing when they first showed interracial couples on tv I'm quite sure.

Let's try an experiment, of the last 5 Disney/Pixar films released, what did you find "woke" or "trite" about say 3 of the 5?  Let me guess, you're clutching your pearls because a cartoon character was changed from white to black right?  Clutch those pearls friend, I could give you dozens of examples when whites portrayed non-whites.

What else ya got?

IMO it's not 100% because of "woke".    Barbie did just fine, as did other movies that people could be described as woke.    What Disney does is the most cynical money-grabbing form of it.  They just rechurn their old stale crap, and just with a diverse cast.     Marvel hit its peak years ago, and they don't have that Star Wars money to bank on in the theater, so a lot of it is just black Little Mermaid or black Haunted Mansion - stuff like that.  Same crap, diverse cast.    Combine that with ridiculous cost of making the things and their open battle with DeSantis, and it shouldn't be a surprise that business is down and some of their movies are struggling.  

[BuckSwope 654]

11 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Its an interesting point, one would think it would be less expensive that setting up an actual set etc....

As a point of reference I looked up Dune.  $165M.    Oppenheimer.  $100M.    Maverick $170M.   

I would love to know WTF Little Mermaid costs $330 to make (unless that is with ads, etc and the above numbers are purely making the movie?)    IMO that is a big piece of the puzzle as to why these movies are failing to make a profit for them.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,855]

3 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

IMO it's not 100% because of "woke".    Barbie did just fine, as did other movies that people could be described as woke.    What Disney does is the most cynical money-grabbing form of it.  They just rechurn their old stale crap, and just with a diverse cast.     Marvel hit its peak years ago, and they don't have that Star Wars money to bank on in the theater, so a lot of it is just black Little Mermaid or black Haunted Mansion.  Same crap, diverse cast.    Combine that with ridiculous cost of making the things and their open battle with DeSantis, and it shouldn't be a surprise that business is down and some of their movies are struggling.  

Some?  Every single movie they've released since 2020 has been a bomb except one. Or maybe 2022. That's 13 films. That's all of their films they've released, not "some".

[BuckSwope 654]

6 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Some?  Every single movie they've released since 2020 has been a bomb except one. Or maybe 2022. That's 13 films. That's all of their films they've released, not "some".

Yeah, it can't be 2020, that would be more than 13 movies.   I haven't looked at each movie, but I don't doubt what you post.   I just thought the $330M to make one movie is stupid and for sure a reason it's making it hard to make their money back.  

[BeachGuy23 642]

20 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

You're so foking stupid.  

https://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/search/?q=bish

Man this dude just destroyed your feeble mind.  You see him in every poster.

LOL

Got any more gay links to post twink?

[Voltaire 5,203]

I worry that any change of course now will alienate their target market of outraged, 20-something, gender-confused snowflakes.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,855]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

I worry they'll any change of course now will alienate their target market of outraged, 20-something, gender-confused snowflakes.

All 20 of them. 

[The Real timschochet 6,451]

There is always the possibility that Disney’s move to be more woke has hurt their business model. I hope that’s not the case. I want woke to win out, and I want it to be popular. I know I can’t force that into reality. 

I get weary, however, of many liberals who try to argue that woke is more popular than it is. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. Public attitudes can change quickly (look at gay marriage). 

Whether woke is popular or not, I think it’s a good thing. I’ll continue to fight for it.  That will have to be enough for me. 

[RogerDodger 797]

7 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Man this dude just destroyed your feeble mind.  You see him in every poster.

LOL

Got any more gay links to post twink?

I'm sure all your ex-lovers at your bodybuilder forum can help you with that Ass Rot.

 

[RLLD 4,143]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

There is always the possibility that Disney’s move to be more woke has hurt their business model. I hope that’s not the case. I want woke to win out, and I want it to be popular. I know I can’t force that into reality. 

I get weary, however, of many liberals who try to argue that woke is more popular than it is. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. Public attitudes can change quickly (look at gay marriage). 

Whether woke is popular or not, I think it’s a good thing. I’ll continue to fight for it.  That will have to be enough for me. 

Conversely I hope that good people eventually stand up to it and manage to end the hateful reign of marxism being hidden behind the veil of "woke".  I did have some hope when parents started standing up at school board meetings, but the DOJ went after them and intimidated parents into silence.....

Now I have hope that with the exposure of "woke" antisemitism we might again see some opposition to its poisonous intent, but there are just so many people indoctrinated into this evil ideology.....
 

[BeachGuy23 642]

9 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

I'm sure all your ex-lovers at your bodybuilder forum can help you with that Ass Rot.

 

I wish this dude would come back here and post just to wreck your twink brains some more.

Holy smokes you people have been wrecked.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,962]

11 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Research?  

Riddle me this:  If you're not Ass Rot how do you know Ass Rot didn't tell us all those things in the past before the TDS set in?  

The truth is nobody did much research, you outed yourself again, you're just not that smart.  

The question you should be asking yourself is why your IRL is so terrible that you need multiple alias with multiple banning on multiple sites just because some orange reality tv star became president and wreaked your brain.  You need to be the internet bully because you've been married to the same demanding fat wife for 35 years?  You can't handle your alcohol or gambling?  Going to be working in a dead end job until you're past 65?  Closet homo hanging out in gay forums talking to shirtless men?

100% loser.  The end.

 

 

He’s got a gambling and drinking problem too? He’s got it all covered. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

43 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Research?  

Riddle me this:  If you're not Ass Rot how do you know Ass Rot didn't tell us all those things in the past before the TDS set in?  

The truth is nobody did much research, you outed yourself again, you're just not that smart.  

The question you should be asking yourself is why your IRL is so terrible that you need multiple alias with multiple banning on multiple sites just because some orange reality tv star became president and wreaked your brain.  You need to be the internet bully because you've been married to the same demanding fat wife for 35 years?  You can't handle your alcohol or gambling?  Going to be working in a dead end job until you're past 65?  Closet homo hanging out in gay forums talking to shirtless men?

100% loser.  The end.

 

 

You obsessed morons keep bringing up other boards genius.

And really, your taking time to look up the posts on other boards of some stranger because they triggered you so badly.  Strong life.   
 

And neither I nor anyone else seems to give a phuk what you post about your obsession because we all have actual stuff going on IRL and drop by here to debate topics.  We don’t drop by here to Marvel comics our way across alternate boards hoping to find something negative about someone’s life to post here so our drooling MAGAtard friends can clap like the retarded seals they are.

Last word on this from me, I’d way rather be the dude who lives in your head rent free, even if the issues he has are true, than a morally bankrupt, low class, incel, twink loser like you’ve shown yourself to be.

Great way to spend your day incel, scouring the internet for “ facts” on the guy who’s using your empty noggin as an AirBnB.

lol at you.

 

[Reality 3,104]

27 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

You obsessed morons keep bringing up other boards genius.

And really, your taking time to look up the posts on other boards of some stranger because they triggered you so badly.  Strong life.   
 

And neither I nor anyone else seems to give a phuk what you post about your obsession because we all have actual stuff going on IRL and drop by here to debate topics.  We don’t drop by here to Marvel comics our way across alternate boards hoping to find something negative about someone’s life to post here so our drooling MAGAtard friends can clap like the retarded seals they are.

Last word on this from me, I’d way rather be the dude who lives in your head rent free, even if the issues he has are true, than a morally bankrupt, low class, incel, twink loser like you’ve shown yourself to be.

Great way to spend your day incel, scouring the internet for “ facts” on the guy who’s using your empty noggin as an AirBnB.

lol at you.

 

This dude wants to type boyo so bad his skin is crawling.

[RLLD 4,143]

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,855]

6 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

There is always the possibility that Disney’s move to be more woke has hurt their business model. I hope that’s not the case. I want woke to win out, and I want it to be popular. I know I can’t force that into reality. 

I get weary, however, of many liberals who try to argue that woke is more popular than it is. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. Public attitudes can change quickly (look at gay marriage). 

Whether woke is popular or not, I think it’s a good thing. I’ll continue to fight for it.  That will have to be enough for me. 

The possibility?  WTF?  They LITERALLY admitted it. 

The problem now is they've gotten rid of all the normal people that used to work there and bring us good movies and replaced them with Marxist (i.e. liberal) activists who don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground.  They're just interested in The Message.

[League Champion 1,896]

8 hours ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Got to love him for that. 

Can you please just go back to the BOYO gimmick. I loved that for you. It was soo entertainment, BeachGuy is

[Hardcore troubadour 14,962]

Still no sign of all the big mouths that were claiming woke had nothing to do with Disney failing. Pathetic. 

[League Champion 1,896]

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,855]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Still no sign of all the big mouths that were claiming woke had nothing to do with Disney failing. Pathetic. 

Cowards.  All of them.

[Sean Mooney 1,949]

On 11/29/2023 at 9:44 AM, RLLD said:

Your problem is not with me or this thread, your problem is with Disney....who admitted publicly that being woke hurt them, you should take it up with them  

If you read the filing what Disney is saying is far more nuanced than what the headlines or the paraphrasing of the quote from Turley indicates. Additionally- it is listed as risk factor #3 under the category of risk factors that begins with:

ITEM 1A. Risk Factors

For an enterprise as large and complex as the Company, a wide range of factors could materially affect future developments and performance. In addition to the factors affecting specific business operations identified in connection with the description of these operations and the financial results of these operations elsewhere in our filings with the SEC, the most significant factors affecting our business include the following:

 

Under this category they specifically mention in this order: Declines in U.S. and global economies, changes in technology and consumer consumption patterns, the current topic under discussion, maintaining IP, cybersecurity, and uncontrollable events (ie COVID), competitive pressure, bad contracts, regulations both domestically and internationally, environmental issues, damage to the brand, DTC issues, volatility in markets, elevated indebtedness, labor disputes, seasonality of some businesses, obtaining and retaining employees and their contract wealth, further acquisiton costs (specifically the buyout of NBCU on Hulu which they are going to roll under the Disney+ label). So there are 18 different risk factors mentioned but the narrative required Turley and then FOXNews to focus on the one that fits their narrative and people hook onto it.

 

As to the issue being specifically discussed in this thread they said this: Turley quoted this: "“we face risks relating to misalignment with public and consumer tastes and preferences for entertainment, travel and consumer products. the success of our businesses depends on our ability to consistently create compelling content, Generally, our revenues and profitability are adversely impacted when our entertainment offerings and products, as well as our methods to make our offerings and products available to consumers, do not achieve sufficient consumer acceptance. Further, consumers’ perceptions of our position on matters of public interest, including our efforts to achieve certain of our environmental and social goals, often differ widely and present risks to our reputation and brands.”

 

Here is the full quote: " 

We face risks relating to misalignment with public and consumer tastes and preferences for entertainment, travel and consumer products, which impact demand for our entertainment offerings and products and the profitability of any of our businesses.

Our businesses create entertainment, travel and consumer products whose success depends substantially on consumer tastes and preferences that change in often unpredictable ways. The success of our businesses depends on our ability to consistently create compelling content, which may be distributed, among other ways, through broadcast, cable, theaters, internet or mobile technology, and used in theme park attractions, hotels and other resort facilities and travel experiences and consumer products. Such distribution must meet the changing preferences of the broad consumer market and respond to competition from an expanding array of choices facilitated by technological developments in the delivery of content. The success of our theme parks, resorts, cruise ships and experiences, as well as our theatrical releases, depends on demand for public or out-of-home entertainment experiences. Demand for certain out-of-home entertainment experiences, such as theater-going to watch movies, has not returned to pre-pandemic levels. In addition, many of our businesses increasingly depend on acceptance of our offerings and products by consumers outside the U.S. The success of our businesses therefore depends on our ability to successfully predict and adapt to changing consumer tastes and preferences outside as well as inside the U.S. Moreover, we must often invest substantial amounts in content production and acquisition, acquisition of sports rights, launch of new sports-related studio programming, theme park attractions, cruise ships or hotels and other facilities or customer facing platforms before we know the extent to which these products will earn consumer acceptance, and these products may be introduced into a significantly different market or economic or social climate from the one we anticipated at the time of the investment decisions. Generally, our revenues and profitability are adversely impacted when our entertainment offerings and products, as well as our methods to make our offerings and products available to consumers, do not achieve sufficient consumer acceptance. Further, consumers’ perceptions of our position on matters of public interest, including our efforts to achieve certain of our environmental and social goals, often differ widely and present risks to our reputation and brands. Consumer tastes and preferences impact, among other items, revenue from advertising sales (which are based in part on ratings for the programs in which advertisements air), affiliate fees, subscription fees, theatrical film receipts, the license of rights to other distributors, theme park admissions, hotel room charges and merchandise, food and beverage sales, sales of licensed consumer products or sales of our other consumer products and services.

 

I bolded what Turley used in his piece for TheHill which FOXNews quotes. You- and anyone- can see that there is far more context here than what he purports. Additionally, anyone can see the quote talks about not solely social issues but also about distribution models (essentially "we" need to deliver content that people want to go see in theaters, or drives them to streaming, or the like). it also talks about sports rights fees, rides at amusement parks, and being able to read ahead of what the curve currently is at. It's simple to just say "WOKE" because people will hook into it but they are saying way more than that in this actual quote and they aren't really shying away from what they said but instead saying it is as much a customer's perception of what their position is. They aren't really saying woke hurt them despite what the headline wants people to believe. 

 

 

 

 

[Sean Mooney 1,949]

On 11/29/2023 at 11:47 AM, BuckSwope said:

IMO it's not 100% because of "woke".    Barbie did just fine, as did other movies that people could be described as woke.    What Disney does is the most cynical money-grabbing form of it.  They just rechurn their old stale crap, and just with a diverse cast.     Marvel hit its peak years ago, and they don't have that Star Wars money to bank on in the theater, so a lot of it is just black Little Mermaid or black Haunted Mansion - stuff like that.  Same crap, diverse cast.    Combine that with ridiculous cost of making the things and their open battle with DeSantis, and it shouldn't be a surprise that business is down and some of their movies are struggling.  

That is more the problem. 2019 Disney released Aladdin and Lion King which were equally looked at as "Who the hell asked for live action retellings of these films?" They did 1.054 billion and 1.663 billion at the worldwide box office respectively. But the general dialogue was still kind of "Why was this necessary?" Little Mermaid furthered that and this time didn't do as well because it became a thing about a black girl playing Ariel and not about "Who asked for this?"

 

As to the costs- the cost skyrockets because of all the FX shots that go into it. Basically every movement in the background or changing certain things (a notable example from a different film is the 1999  film The Mummy where they needed to change stuff from daytime to nighttime so they had to visual effect the sun out) that runs up a cost after a while. I would highly recommend a podcast called What Went Wrong which talks about famously troubled movie productions to get a sense of how quickly costs on films can skyrocket for even the most mundane stuff. 

[Sean Mooney 1,949]

On 11/29/2023 at 11:59 AM, BuckSwope said:

Yeah, it can't be 2020, that would be more than 13 movies.   I haven't looked at each movie, but I don't doubt what you post.   I just thought the $330M to make one movie is stupid and for sure a reason it's making it hard to make their money back.  

Over inflated budgets has definitely been a complaint lodged at current Disney movies. Here is the list of movies and worldwide box office:

 

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania

$476.1 million

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3

$845.6 million

The Little Mermaid

$569.6 million

Elemental

$494.7 million

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny

$384 million

Haunted Mansion

$117.4 million

The Marvels

$188.8 million (so far)

Wish

$48.9 million (so far)

 

interesting note on Haunted Mansion is that in 2022 it cost them about 150 million dollars to make. In 2002 they made the first version of the film for 90 million which adjusted for inflation is about 153 million. So proportionally they spent less to make the film and it took in way less. Again- I don't think anyone wanted it. And no one was looking for yet another Indiana Jones movie and superhero movies have hit a saturation point. 

[Voltaire 5,203]

All you have to do is take a movie that everyone likes, put a chick in there, make her gay and lame, then re-release it.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,855]

13 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Over inflated budgets has definitely been a complaint lodged at current Disney movies. Here is the list of movies and worldwide box office:

 

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania

$476.1 million

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3

$845.6 million

The Little Mermaid

$569.6 million

Elemental

$494.7 million

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny

$384 million

Haunted Mansion

$117.4 million

The Marvels

$188.8 million (so far)

Wish

$48.9 million (so far)

 

interesting note on Haunted Mansion is that in 2022 it cost them about 150 million dollars to make. In 2002 they made the first version of the film for 90 million which adjusted for inflation is about 153 million. So proportionally they spent less to make the film and it took in way less. Again- I don't think anyone wanted it. And no one was looking for yet another Indiana Jones movie and superhero movies have hit a saturation point. 

I don't see an apology or an admission you were wrong in there anywhere. Can you just state it simply instead of the word salad you posted?

[Sean Mooney 1,949]

8 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I don't see an apology or an admission you were wrong in there anywhere. Can you just state it simply instead of the word salad you posted?

How about you go find your mom and ask her to read you the post and explain it all so you can see there is more context there?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,855]

28 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

How about you go find your mom and ask her to read you the post and explain it all so you can see there is more context there?

How about you just give us that apology or admission you were wrong instead?

Just block everything else out of your head and say the words. You can do it.

[Sean Mooney 1,949]

6 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

How about you just give us that apology or admission you were wrong instead?

Just block everything else out of your head and say the words. You can do it.

I wasn't really. I pointed out Disney didn't really say that woke hurt them either. I showed what they said and how it was far more nuanced than the simplistic version you want to believe. i get it though- reading and comprehending is hard. But try again man. No need to give up so easily. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I wasn't really. I pointed out Disney didn't really say that woke hurt them either. I showed what they said and how it was far more nuanced than the simplistic version you want to believe. i get it though- reading and comprehending is hard. But try again man. No need to give up so easily. 

I wouldn't expect them to understand nuance.  Hell they stopped drinking their favorite beer because of a meaningless internet ad that no one would have known about had conservatives not been such feminine pearl clutchers.  Naturally they ascribe all of Disney's issues to the company's support of non-whites and non-straight people.  They don't have the mental capacity to understand that many companies support the same even more so and are doing just fine, but Disney's issues are all because of conservative pearl clutching.  Conservatives entire lives are driven by their feeling rather than logic.

[League Champion 1,896]

37 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Naturally they ascribe all of Disney's issues to the company's support of non-whites and non-straight people

Says the guy who calls people "Homo Twinks"?

You're slipping BOYO, practice what you preach. You hypocrite Liberals are all the same. 

Whatever you believe, pushing their QUEER politics on little kids is NOT ok. What in your little peanut head don't you Pedocrats understand?? 

 

[BeachGuy23 642]

Just now, League Champion said:

Says the guy who calls people "Homo Twinks"?

You're slipping BOYO, practice what you preach. You hypocrite Liberals are all the same. 

Whatever you believe, pushing their QUEER politics on little kids is NOT ok. What in your little peanut head don't you Pedocrats understand?? 

 

Can you articulate how they're pushing their "queer politics" onto little kids?

Or will come back with more of  your typical boyo nonsense?

And I called an incel who scours the internet for supposed "dirt" on strangers and posts gay porn a homo twink.  Seems appropriate, no?

[League Champion 1,896]

1 minute ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Can you articulate how they're pushing their "queer politics" onto little kids?

Really BOYO, you're serious???? Stop with the Generic Left Wing BS. Even Disney admits that they went overboard. If it's coming from Corporate's mouth then ........

 

[BeachGuy23 642]

Just now, League Champion said:

Really BOYO, you're serious???? Stop with the Generic Left Wing BS. Even Disney admits that they went overboard. If it's coming from Corporate's mouth then ........

 

Disney admitted the conservative pearl clutching was a part of their issues.  As Sean Mooney described earlier.

Conservatives clutch pearls, get all tied up in knots because disney dares to show some non-white and non-straight characters which the pearl clutchers find goes against some 2k year old book written by savages.

It's quite hysterical actually. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,962]

What an epic beat down. Lol. 

[RLLD 4,143]

9 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

If you read the filing what Disney is saying is far more nuanced than what the headlines or the paraphrasing of the quote from Turley indicates. Additionally- it is listed as risk factor #3 under the category of risk factors that begins with:

ITEM 1A. Risk Factors

For an enterprise as large and complex as the Company, a wide range of factors could materially affect future developments and performance. In addition to the factors affecting specific business operations identified in connection with the description of these operations and the financial results of these operations elsewhere in our filings with the SEC, the most significant factors affecting our business include the following:

 

Under this category they specifically mention in this order: Declines in U.S. and global economies, changes in technology and consumer consumption patterns, the current topic under discussion, maintaining IP, cybersecurity, and uncontrollable events (ie COVID), competitive pressure, bad contracts, regulations both domestically and internationally, environmental issues, damage to the brand, DTC issues, volatility in markets, elevated indebtedness, labor disputes, seasonality of some businesses, obtaining and retaining employees and their contract wealth, further acquisiton costs (specifically the buyout of NBCU on Hulu which they are going to roll under the Disney+ label). So there are 18 different risk factors mentioned but the narrative required Turley and then FOXNews to focus on the one that fits their narrative and people hook onto it.

 

As to the issue being specifically discussed in this thread they said this: Turley quoted this: "“we face risks relating to misalignment with public and consumer tastes and preferences for entertainment, travel and consumer products. the success of our businesses depends on our ability to consistently create compelling content, Generally, our revenues and profitability are adversely impacted when our entertainment offerings and products, as well as our methods to make our offerings and products available to consumers, do not achieve sufficient consumer acceptance. Further, consumers’ perceptions of our position on matters of public interest, including our efforts to achieve certain of our environmental and social goals, often differ widely and present risks to our reputation and brands.”

 

Here is the full quote: " 

We face risks relating to misalignment with public and consumer tastes and preferences for entertainment, travel and consumer products, which impact demand for our entertainment offerings and products and the profitability of any of our businesses.

Our businesses create entertainment, travel and consumer products whose success depends substantially on consumer tastes and preferences that change in often unpredictable ways. The success of our businesses depends on our ability to consistently create compelling content, which may be distributed, among other ways, through broadcast, cable, theaters, internet or mobile technology, and used in theme park attractions, hotels and other resort facilities and travel experiences and consumer products. Such distribution must meet the changing preferences of the broad consumer market and respond to competition from an expanding array of choices facilitated by technological developments in the delivery of content. The success of our theme parks, resorts, cruise ships and experiences, as well as our theatrical releases, depends on demand for public or out-of-home entertainment experiences. Demand for certain out-of-home entertainment experiences, such as theater-going to watch movies, has not returned to pre-pandemic levels. In addition, many of our businesses increasingly depend on acceptance of our offerings and products by consumers outside the U.S. The success of our businesses therefore depends on our ability to successfully predict and adapt to changing consumer tastes and preferences outside as well as inside the U.S. Moreover, we must often invest substantial amounts in content production and acquisition, acquisition of sports rights, launch of new sports-related studio programming, theme park attractions, cruise ships or hotels and other facilities or customer facing platforms before we know the extent to which these products will earn consumer acceptance, and these products may be introduced into a significantly different market or economic or social climate from the one we anticipated at the time of the investment decisions. Generally, our revenues and profitability are adversely impacted when our entertainment offerings and products, as well as our methods to make our offerings and products available to consumers, do not achieve sufficient consumer acceptance. Further, consumers’ perceptions of our position on matters of public interest, including our efforts to achieve certain of our environmental and social goals, often differ widely and present risks to our reputation and brands. Consumer tastes and preferences impact, among other items, revenue from advertising sales (which are based in part on ratings for the programs in which advertisements air), affiliate fees, subscription fees, theatrical film receipts, the license of rights to other distributors, theme park admissions, hotel room charges and merchandise, food and beverage sales, sales of licensed consumer products or sales of our other consumer products and services.

 

I bolded what Turley used in his piece for TheHill which FOXNews quotes. You- and anyone- can see that there is far more context here than what he purports. Additionally, anyone can see the quote talks about not solely social issues but also about distribution models (essentially "we" need to deliver content that people want to go see in theaters, or drives them to streaming, or the like). it also talks about sports rights fees, rides at amusement parks, and being able to read ahead of what the curve currently is at. It's simple to just say "WOKE" because people will hook into it but they are saying way more than that in this actual quote and they aren't really shying away from what they said but instead saying it is as much a customer's perception of what their position is. They aren't really saying woke hurt them despite what the headline wants people to believe. 

 

 

 

 

Read it as you please, of course.  Attempt as you will to interpret what they asserted to feed your bias.

My approach is less about trying to find a golden nugget to hold on to so much as considering whether or not they have learned their lesson to an extent where it makes sense to once again invest in them.

Right now might be a suitable time to buy, but only if there is some notion they will at least mediate their stupidity and one can again derive value from their stock.

[BuckSwope 654]

8 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

How about you just give us that apology or admission you were wrong instead?

Just block everything else out of your head and say the words. You can do it.

Seriously sounding like a neutered lefty here.  Wtf do you need an apology for?

[League Champion 1,896]

Just now, BuckSwope said:

Seriously sounding like a neutered lefty here.  Wtf do you need an apology for?

Buck, your profile pic is offensive, please remove immediately 

[BuckSwope 654]

9 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

That is more the problem. 2019 Disney released Aladdin and Lion King which were equally looked at as "Who the hell asked for live action retellings of these films?" They did 1.054 billion and 1.663 billion at the worldwide box office respectively. But the general dialogue was still kind of "Why was this necessary?" Little Mermaid furthered that and this time didn't do as well because it became a thing about a black girl playing Ariel and not about "Who asked for this?"

 

As to the costs- the cost skyrockets because of all the FX shots that go into it. Basically every movement in the background or changing certain things (a notable example from a different film is the 1999  film The Mummy where they needed to change stuff from daytime to nighttime so they had to visual effect the sun out) that runs up a cost after a while. I would highly recommend a podcast called What Went Wrong which talks about famously troubled movie productions to get a sense of how quickly costs on films can skyrocket for even the most mundane stuff. 

I get how costs can get out of hand, my point was more it seems to be a big issue with them in particular.   Taking the woke and diversity sequels out of the equation, you are not going to consistently make any money if damn near all your movies cost a ton of money.   They look like dog sh1t on top of it.   It just seems they have terrible leadership in this dept OR they are hiding money in the production costs somewhere.  0 clue how Little Mermaid costs 2x what Dune did.