Do you think the Geek Club is racist?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,583]

17 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Well no because I can clearly see the sky is not green, that is a proven fact.  Whatever that person is feeling inside their head, only that person knows.

Feelings over facts. That just about sums it up. It’s real to them dammit! 

[MDC 7,589]

7 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Or you deleted it?

Why would I do that?

[listen2me 23 1,906]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

holy sh!t you're foking stupid.

We had this conversation last week, that you said no men in the women's bathroom, I asked how can you tell, you told me a d!ck, a DNA test, etc.  I asked if you wanted to check any of this, you said no, so then I said we just have to go off looks then.

Right.  We dont have to in a school.  We have birth certificates.  We catch Robbie the fruitcake in the girls room he gets detention.   Seems simple.  

We did it for years no problem.  But now we let them change the rules so yes it is hard to go back.  I agree there.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,583]

55 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So you're offended by the fact that some people are changing definitions.  You're offended by the mentally ill.  I'll still ask, what if a dude with a d wants to call herself a woman?  Is that any different than focking another dude?  Years ago people stated that it was a fact that marriage is between a man and a woman.  Well that changed.  I'm not gonna force someone to call themselves a man if they want to be called a woman.  I couldn't care less what they call themselves.

So you think someone chopping off their dik is akin to someone being gay? Same ballpark? Gay people want to be what they are. Transformers want to be what they aren’t. One is reasonable. The other is mentally ill. HTH. 

[listen2me 23 1,906]

What if a man walks into a girls room and doesn't look like a woman.  Is wearing jeans, t shirt, boots.  Longer hair but not past his shoulders.  

Gutter is fine with that.  

[jerryskids 6,924]

34 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Got any data to back up your prejudice?

There is plenty of info out there on drug abuse:

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Review: Prevalence of Addictions among Transgender and Gender Diverse Subgroups

Ryan Ruppert,^1,* Shanna K. Kattari,² and Steve Sussman¹

Paul B. Tchounwou, Academic Editor

Author information Article notes Copyright and License information Disclaimer

This article has been cited by other articles in PMC.

 

Associated Data

Data Availability Statement

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Abstract

We conducted an analysis of the prevalence of substance and behavioral addictions across different transgender and gender diverse (TGD) subgroups. We performed a scoping review using MEDLINE and Google Scholar databases and examined 12 addictions, including alcohol, nicotine, cannabis, illicit drugs, gambling, eating/food, internet, sex, love, exercise, work, and shopping. We presented prevalence rates for each addiction as a function of an individual’s gender identity (stratified into transgender females, transgender males, and gender nonconforming), and used cisgender women and men as reference groups. We included 55 studies in our final analysis, the majority of which investigated substance use disorders among TGD subgroups. Overall findings indicated that substantial differences in substance use exist among US TGD subgroups. There were far fewer publications that examined the prevalence of behavioral addictions across TGD subgroups. However, despite limited research in this area, findings still suggest that notable differences in behavioral addictions may exist between individual TGD subgroups. The conclusions of our review may provide clinicians with a better ability to screen for and treat at-risk individuals within the TGD community.

Keywords: addiction, substance use disorder, behavioral addiction, LGBTQ, transgender, gender diverse

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1. Introduction

Despite growing acceptance of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer (LGBTQ) community over recent years, this subset of the population remains at a significantly elevated risk of addiction compared to the general U.S. adult population [1]. While many studies have historically analyzed sexual minorities (SMs) and gender minorities (GMs) as single homogenous groups, there is a growing recognition of the significant differences that exist among individual LGBQ and T subgroups. In particular, it has been shown that transgender and gender diverse (TGD) populations face substantially greater healthcare barriers and poorer health outcomes than their cisgender SM counterparts. For instance, a nationwide study determined that 40.4% of TGD adults had attempted suicide during their lifetime, compared to 17% of cisgender SMs, and only 2.4% of the general U.S. population [2]. TGD individuals are also four times more likely to experience poverty, four times more likely to have HIV, and twice as likely to be unemployed in comparison to cisgender adults [3]. Additionally, it has been shown that TGD individuals and communities experience high rates of discrimination and low levels of social support, two factors which are believed to play a mediating role in the development of addictive behaviors [4,5,6]. Research has also indicated that substance use within the TGD community is more associated with sexual risk and mental health complications, further suggesting that this subset of the LGBTQ community is particularly vulnerable to the deleterious effects of addiction [7].

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8393320/

And although you didn't say it, scary high suicide rates:

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Suicidality Among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors

Ashley Austin ¹, Shelley L Craig ², Sandra D'Souza ², Lauren B McInroy ³

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• PMID: 32345113
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• DOI: 10.1177/0886260520915554

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• Corrigendum to Suicidality among Transgender Youth: Elucidating the Role of Interpersonal Risk Factors.

  [No authors listed]J Interpers Violence. 2020 Jul 29:886260520946128. doi: 10.1177/0886260520946128. Online ahead of print.PMID: 32727311 No abstract available.

Abstract

Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among transgender youth. The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime suicide attempts and past 6-month suicidality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372). SPSS 22 was utilized to examine the impact of the independent variables on both suicidality and lifetime suicide attempt through two separate logistic regressions. Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality. Logistic regressions indicated that models for both lifetime suicide attempts and suicidality were significant. Interpersonal microaggressions, made a unique, statistically significant contribution to lifetime suicide attempts and emotional neglect by family approached significance. School belonging, emotional neglect by family, and internalized self-stigma made a unique, statistically significant contribution to past 6-month suicidality. Results have significant practice and policy implications. Findings offer guidance for practitioners working with parents and caregivers of trans youth, as well as, for the creation of practices which foster interpersonal belonging for transgender youth.

Keywords: adverse childhood experiences; gender identity; minority stress; suicide; transgender.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/

I'll take the biological woman baby sitter, just playing the odds. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

16 minutes ago, MDC said:

Why would I do that?

Cause you got pummeled and it hurt your feelers because you are a pvssy.  

[iam90sbaby 2,659]

29 minutes ago, MDC said:

Why would I do that?

I don't know but it's a possibility, add it to the list.

[jerryskids 6,924]

On the topic of drug abuse, a friend of my son's (he's 26, friend is presumably close in age) was arrested a while back for a severe DUI.  I don't know if they stuck with the felony reckless charge but his BAL certainly met the criteria.  And it was part of a larger drinking problem.  We had dinner with our son last weekend and the topic came up, and we asked how the friend was doing.  Son said he is fine, and by the way, did I mention before that he is trans (woman who associates as a guy)?  He hadn't.  I don't know if the friend has had any hormones or surgery, we didn't ask.

After he went home my wife and I discussed and both had the same thought -- is it a coincidence that the person was trans and is an alcoholic at such a young age?  I know the Lefty response, I'm not saying every alcoholic is trans or vice versa.

I guess that makes me racist, or transist, or whatever gutter turned this racism thread into.   

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

On the topic of drug abuse, a friend of my son's (he's 26, friend is presumably close in age) was arrested a while back for a severe DUI.  I don't know if they stuck with the felony reckless charge but his BAL certainly met the criteria.  And it was part of a larger drinking problem.  We had dinner with our son last weekend and the topic came up, and we asked how the friend was doing.  Son said he is fine, and by the way, did I mention before that he is trans (woman who associates as a guy)?  He hadn't.  I don't know if the friend has had any hormones or surgery, we didn't ask.

After he went home my wife and I discussed and both had the same thought -- is it a coincidence that the person was trans and is an alcoholic at such a young age?  I know the Lefty response, I'm not saying every alcoholic is trans or vice versa.

I guess that makes me racist, or transist, or whatever gutter turned this racism thread into.   

Don't let your son get her pregnant. That would be hell to deal with. 

[GutterBoy 2,900]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So you think someone chopping off their dik is akin to someone being gay? Same ballpark? Gay people want to be what they are. Transformers want to be what they aren’t. One is reasonable. The other is mentally ill. HTH. 

A tranny will tell you that by cutting off their they are being what they are.

[GutterBoy 2,900]

1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

What if a man walks into a girls room and doesn't look like a woman.  Is wearing jeans, t shirt, boots.  Longer hair but not past his shoulders.  

Gutter is fine with that.  

No I'm not fine with that.

What if a man walks into the women's bathroom but looks female?  Listen2me wants to personally check the d of every person going into the women's bathroom, including kids.  What a creep.

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

A tranny will tell you that by cutting off their they are being what they are.

 pedos know pedos. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,583]

7 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

A tranny will tell you that by cutting off their they are being what they are.

In their mind. It defies reality. Mentally ill. 

[GutterBoy 2,900]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

In their mind. It defies reality. Mentally ill. 

Your reality.  Who are you to judge their reality?

[listen2me 23 1,906]

30 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

No I'm not fine with that.

What if a man walks into the women's bathroom but looks female?  Listen2me wants to personally check the d of every person going into the women's bathroom, including kids.  What a creep.

I do not want to check genitals you weird little man.

But you said who are you to say anything if a man tells you he is a woman.  So I make the logical assumption that some dude any dude can go into a womans bathroom if he tells you they are a woman. 

So you are fine if a man in a wig and lipstick goes into a womans bathroom if thry think they are a woman.  But you aren't fine with a man who is dressed like a man and tells you they are a woman going into a girls room? 

I am just trying to figure out where you stand.  Your virtue signaling is consistent.  But everything else is all over the place.

 

[listen2me 23 1,906]

21 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Your reality.  Who are you to judge their reality?

Kind of like cat people.  You said you would tell that person to fock off and quit being ridiculous if they asked for litter boxes in the bathrooms.

Who are you to judge their reality? If they think they are a cat then they are a cat.  Cats need litter boxes.

[GutterBoy 2,900]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

I do not want to check genitals you weird little man.

But you said who are you to say anything if a man tells you he is a woman.  So I make the logical assumption that some dude any dude can go into a womans bathroom if he tells you they are a woman. 

So you are fine if a man in a wig and lipstick goes into a womans bathroom if thry think they are a woman.  But you aren't fine with a man who is dressed like a man going into a girls room? 

I am just trying to figure out where you stand.  Your virtue signaling is consistent.  But everything else is all over the place.

 

No, I said if the person looks like a woman, I am not checking her genitals.  Where do you stand, if you see what looks like a woman, are you ok with them going into the women's bathroom or are you gonna stop them?

There is no virtue signaling here.  This is a FF forum, I'm not waving pride flags or anything, I'm just trying to treat people with decency and respect, not grab the genitals of people going to the bathroom.

[GutterBoy 2,900]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Kind of like cat people.  You said you would tell that person to fock off and quit being ridiculous if they asked for litter boxes in the bathrooms.

Who are you to judge their reality? If they think they are a cat then they are a cat.  Cats need litter boxes.

Again with the focking cats.  

[listen2me 23 1,906]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

No, I said if the person looks like a woman, I am not checking her genitals.  Where do you stand, if you see what looks like a woman, are you ok with them going into the women's bathroom or are you gonna stop them?

There is no virtue signaling here.  This is a FF forum, I'm not waving pride flags or anything, I'm just trying to treat people with decency and respect, not grab the genitals of people going to the bathroom.

So people that identify as a woman cannot look like a man?  Wtf? What does that even mean? 

Is it about their clothes? Wtf? 

You have clearly said that if a man identifies as a woman who are you to tell them otherwise.  But now they have to look a certain way? 

[Utilit99 4,099]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Again with the focking cats.  

Men CAN be girl cats if they choose to be. 

They can also identify as used tampons as you well know first hand. 

[edjr 6,682]

FFT should change to KKK

[listen2me 23 1,906]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Again with the focking cats.  

Because it is a good rabbit hole to go down.  A man can be a woman because who are you to say.  But someone cant be a cat? Then you are the person to say?

Again you are all over the place with what you actually believe.   I have tried to understand your stance but it is impossible other than you are progressive and accepting.   But only under your own guidelines. 

[GutterBoy 2,900]

Just now, listen2me 23 said:

So people that identify as a woman cannot look like a man?  Wtf? What does that even mean? 

Is it about their clothes? Wtf? 

You have clearly said that if a man identifies as a woman who are you to tell them otherwise.  But now they have to look a certain way? 

And we've come full circle again.

How can you tell a woman is a woman?

You're probably gonna say dna and we'll continue this dance.

[GutterBoy 2,900]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Because it is a good rabbit hole to go down.  A man can be a woman because who are you to say.  But someone cant be a cat? Then you are the person to say?

Again you are all over the place with what you actually believe.   I have tried to understand your stance but it is impossible other than you are progressive and accepting.   But only under your own guidelines. 

No it's not a good rabbit hole, because it's focking stupid.  Do you do this with everything in your life?  Come up with ridiculous strawman arguments that have nothing to do with reality in order to prove your point?

I think you summed it up correctly.  If a person tells me that they identify as a different gender than what's between their legs, then I'm not gonna fight them on that.  You will.  The end.

[GutterBoy 2,900]

4 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Men CAN be girl cats if they choose to be. 

They can also identify as used tampons as you well know first hand. 

They can also identify as pieces of sh!t, which is what you see in the mirror every day.

[Utilit99 4,099]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

And we've come full circle again.

How can you tell a woman is a woman?

You're probably gonna say dna and we'll continue this dance.

Everyone knows you're a woman. Not sure what you're whining about. 

[listen2me 23 1,906]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

And we've come full circle again.

How can you tell a woman is a woman?

You're probably gonna say dna and we'll continue this dance.

You must get with really fugly woman since you have such a hard time with telling if a person is a man in womens clothing.  

So only guys with lipstick pass your test.  Guys without lipstick do not.  So to you it doesn't matter what they identify with but how they look?  

Are you or are you not ok with men that want to be women using girls restrooms.  I am not asking how we police it I am asking a simple question.

[iam90sbaby 2,659]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

And we've come full circle again.

How can you tell a woman is a woman?

You're probably gonna say dna and we'll continue this dance.

The hands

[listen2me 23 1,906]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

 

I think you summed it up correctly.  If a person tells me that they identify as a different gender than what's between their legs, then I'm not gonna fight them on that.  You will.  The end.

So when I said gutter is fine with a man in boots, jeans, and a t shirt going into girls bathrooms as long as he says hes a woman....you said no you were not ok with it.  You seem to be saying 2 different things.  And thats why I pull these weird scenarios.   Because your stance is pretty complicated. 

[Fireballer 2,656]

38 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Your reality.  Who are you to judge their reality?

There's only one reality.  Literally.  No one has the right "their" reality.  If you have a different reality than what is objectively occurring on planet Earth, then you're mentally ill.

[wiffleball 4,793]

Remember when we crashed that one race? The one where the guy lost his haid?

 

Oh man, that was classic.

[GutterBoy 2,900]

Just now, listen2me 23 said:

You must get with really fugly woman since you have such a hard time with telling if a person is a man in womens clothing.  

So only guys with lipstick pass your test.  Guys without lipstick do not.  So to you it doesn't matter what they identify with but how they look?  

Are you or are you not ok with men that want to be women using girls restrooms.  I am not asking how we police it I am asking a simple question.

As long as they identify and look like a woman then I'm fine with them using the women's bathroom.  I've said this a million times.

But go ahead, ask me again what if they have a 5 oclock shadow or what if there is a kid in there or what if they think the sky is green or other BS.

[GutterBoy 2,900]

2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

So when I said gutter is fine with a man in boots, jeans, and a t shirt going into girls bathrooms as long as he says hes a woman....you said no you were not ok with it.  You seem to be saying 2 different things.  And thats why I pull these weird scenarios.   Because your stance is pretty complicated. 

My stance is simple, but you throw all these random scenarios out there because you're a tedious ass hole, and you're trying to persuade me to your opinion.

[Utilit99 4,099]

3 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

There's only one reality.  Literally.  No one has the right "their" reality.  If you have a different reality than what is objectively occurring on planet Earth, then you're mentally ill.

Pretty much.  Simply put and not difficult for even a child like gutter to understand.

[listen2me 23 1,906]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

As long as they identify and look like a woman then I'm fine with them using the women's bathroom.  I've said this a million times.

But go ahead, ask me again what if they have a 5 oclock shadow or what if there is a kid in there or what if they think the sky is green or other BS.

Why do they have to look like a woman? So some dyke that has an actual vagina but looks and dresses like a boy is not ok to use the womans restroom?

I thought this was all with what people identify as not how they present themselves.  

I finally get your stance.  Men can be women if they wear the right clothes.  Doesn't really matter what they feel they are.  If they dress the part then that is what really matters.  

Got it.  Case closed. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,583]

Spider-Man is reality for my five year old. Leave the kids alone. 

[MDC 7,589]

GC has tranny Tourette’s.  

[jerryskids 6,924]

3 hours ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

Of course I haven't. In real life. To the best of my knowledge, outside of weird bars in Bangkok, I've met one trans in my life.

And I'd have done the same as you in that situation. I agree, be courteous.

It really the nonbianary weirdos and the ones who do crazy sh!t like fake pregnancies and putting sandpaper in their underwear I won't get on board with.

Honestly, I pity trans people. We should be helping them come to terms with and accepting reality,  not sending them down a path of becoming a Frankenstein, which many later regret.

This is exactly where I stand.  At the end of the day it seems to fit the clinical definition of a mental disorder.

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DSM-5 definition of mental disorder. A mental disorder is a syndrome characterized by clinically significant disturbance in an individual's cognition, emotion regulation, or behavior that reflects a dysfunction in the psychological, biological, or development processes underlying mental functioning

We are doing folks a disservice by just accepting their claims and acting like it is normal, especially kids.  We should invest more in counseling and diagnoses and therapies.  And at the end of the day for those very few who truly are trans, go for it.

I've known several trans people and always respected their wishes, including several teenagers who were friends with my daughters.  The one I knew that best was a boy who said he identified as a girl.  He came from a shiot home live and it was pretty clear by the way he behaved that he enjoyed the power of making others change the way they addressed him, I presumed since he had no control over his home life.  I say "his" because he has since un-transed.  Thankfully he never cut off any body parts.  But that young man needed counseling to address underlying issues.  I hope he has gotten it.   

[Alias Detective 1,429]

29 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

There's only one reality.  Literally.  No one has the right "their" reality.  If you have a different reality than what is objectively occurring on planet Earth, then you're mentally ill.

In the black world it is called their troof.