Who is going to pay Juan Soto $500 million for 10 years?

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Trade deadline is 6PM eastern tomorrow (tuesday august 2nd). 

Giants are back in the picture here.  The new rumor is that, while they would have to gut the farm system to acquire Soto, they could turn around and trade players like SP Carlos Rodon and OF Joc Pederson for prospects to restock.  Or do a 3 team deal doing it all at once.

[Gepetto 1,371]

I don't know why any team would trade for him and give up prospects.  Just having to pay that massive contract would be enough.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

55 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

I don't know why any team would trade for him and give up prospects.  Just having to pay that massive contract would be enough.

he doesnt have a massive contract.  youd have to negotiate a long term deal with him.  the Nationals need to get something for him.

[Gepetto 1,371]

1 minute ago, JustinCharge said:

he doesnt have a massive contract.  youd have to negotiate a long term deal with him.  the Nationals need to get something for him.

I know but any team trading for him isn't going to want to give up a lot for half a season.  Which means they have to trade a lot and pay a lot.  Seems excessive and better to wait until he reaches free agency or let another team over trade and over pay.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

21 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

I know but any team trading for him isn't going to want to give up a lot for half a season.  Which means they have to trade a lot and pay a lot.  Seems excessive and better to wait until he reaches free agency or let another team over trade and over pay.

he is not a free agent at the end of the year.  any team that trade for him controls him for 3 pennant races.  the nationals are trading him now because he obviously wont resign with washington and he has a LOT more value now because the new team has him for 2.5 years.

[SUXBNME 1,512]

I wish the Giants would get him :(

[wiffleball 4,790]

Juan Solo

Flies the Mexican falcon. 

 

It's a lowrider. 

[WhiteWonder 2,751]

I wouldn’t fault any team for trading for him and signing him to a big deal. He is the rare case where he is young, 23?, and a proven star. He will help put asses in seats and be a franchise cornerstone for many years pending health like Acuna, Vlad Jr, Tatis (not going so well with the health), Franco, etc. If a team has faith in their scouting department, giving up the farm is perfectly fine. A lot of the prospects won’t pan out and none are likely to reach the level Soto already has. 
 

If he was 27,28 I get not wanting to give him the $$, even in baseball…. But at 23 you think he won’t be worth the deal when he’s 33?

[TBayXXXVII 2,552]

The Nationals don't have to trade him this year.  he still has 2 more years left on his deal.  They can wait until next year.... and the year after.

[TBayXXXVII 2,552]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

I wouldn’t fault any team for trading for him and signing him to a big deal. He is the rare case where he is young, 23?, and a proven star. He will help put asses in seats and be a franchise cornerstone for many years pending health like Acuna, Vlad Jr, Tatis (not going so well with the health), Franco, etc. If a team has faith in their scouting department, giving up the farm is perfectly fine. A lot of the prospects won’t pan out and none are likely to reach the level Soto already has. 
 

If he was 27,28 I get not wanting to give him the $$, even in baseball…. But at 23 you think he won’t be worth the deal when he’s 33?

If he's 27/28, you still give him the money, just half the length.  Also, what a team would do is give him a 10-year extension, not a 10-year contract.  Soto still has 2 more arbitration years on his rookie deal remaining.  The new deal will kick in for his age 26 season, not age 24.  He'll be 35 at the end of that deal.

[WhiteWonder 2,751]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

If he's 27/28, you still give him the money, just half the length.  Also, what a team would do is give him a 10-year extension, not a 10-year contract.  Soto still has 2 more arbitration years on his rookie deal remaining.  The new deal will kick in for his age 26 season, not age 24.  He'll be 35 at the end of that deal.

Sorry, I should have specified when using the $$ signs I meant everything. The contract the money. 

A team could give him an 8 year extension .. Either way that's splitting hairs. He's not 27/28, he's 23 and any team that trades for him isn't going to have an issue going to 35. The Rays had Longoria until 32? and even though he has dealt with nagging injuries, he has played well enough in SF about to turn 37 in October. That was just a quick example of a cornerstone player. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,552]

20 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Sorry, I should have specified when using the $$ signs I meant everything. The contract the money. 

A team could give him an 8 year extension .. Either way that's splitting hairs. He's not 27/28, he's 23 and any team that trades for him isn't going to have an issue going to 35. The Rays had Longoria until 32? and even though he has dealt with nagging injuries, he has played well enough in SF about to turn 37 in October. That was just a quick example of a cornerstone player. 

He just rejected 10 for $440... I doubt he takes 8.  I think Ed is right in his OP, that the number starts at 10 years and $500M.  My only point was that he'll be in his late 30's at the end of the deal because he still has 2 years of arbitration left on his current contract and that I think 10 years is the shortest duration he takes.  You mentioned that he'd be 33 at the end of the contract, but my guess is that any contract he signs, he'll be closer to 38 when it's done, like Trout and Harper.

[WhiteWonder 2,751]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

He just rejected 10 for $440... I doubt he takes 8.  I think Ed is right in his OP, that the number starts at 10 years and $500M.  My only point was that he'll be in his late 30's at the end of the deal because he still has 2 years of arbitration left on his current contract and that I think 10 years is the shortest duration he takes.  You mentioned that he'd be 33 at the end of the contract, but my guess is that any contract he signs, he'll be closer to 38 when it's done, like Trout and Harper.

I don't think he would take 8 either, i'm just spitballing. A 10 year extension puts him at 35? I think he would take a 10 year 500 million as well, especially on a perennial contender. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,552]

17 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I don't think he would take 8 either, i'm just spitballing. A 10 year extension puts him at 35? I think he would take a 10 year 500 million as well, especially on a perennial contender. 

Machado took 10 years, Trout took 12 years, Harper took 13, and Tatis took 14.  I don't see Soto doing anything less than 12.  It's all about money with these guys.  He just turned down $44M AAV because it wasn't $500M (my guess), because the deal he turned down would be the largest AAV (over Scherzer) and dollar amount (over Trout), in the league.  I don't think someone gives him $50M AAV.  I just don't see that happening.  Agreed, I think he wants to be the first $500M player.  I think he'll take a lower AAV to hit that and that's why I think he gets a 12 or 13 year deal like Trout and Harper.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,484]

The Padres 

[Mike Honcho 5,287]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The Padres 

They better...or they better win the WS this year.  

[WhiteWonder 2,751]

The Padres have agreed to a Deadline Day blockbuster to acquire Nationals superstar outfielder Juan Soto and first baseman Josh Bell, a source has told MLB.com's Jon Paul Morosi. Neither club has confirmed the deal.

Washington will receive shortstop C.J. Abrams, outfielders Robert Hassell III (Padres' No. 1 prospect and No. 21 overall, per MLB Pipeline) and James Wood (Padres' No. 3; No. 88 overall), plus right-hander Jarlin Susana (Padres' No. 14) in return for Soto and Bell, according to Morosi. Standout lefty MacKenzie Gore and veteran first baseman Eric Hosmer are also headed to the Nats, according to MLB Network insider Joel Sherman. A trade to the Nationals would require the approval of Hosmer, who has a no-trade clause, a source told Morosi.

[WhiteWonder 2,751]

if im Eric Hosmer i'm asking for a hell of a trade bonus to waive my clause and go to a last place team.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

Just now, WhiteWonder said:

if im Eric Hosmer i'm asking for a hell of a trade bonus to waive my clause and go to a last place team.

Eric Hosmer better worry about his house being burned down

if he focks us the city will riot

[WhiteWonder 2,751]

8 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Eric Hosmer better worry about his house being burned down

if he focks us the city will riot

who gave him the no trade clause? If i'm him i don't give a flying fock. Better toss me an extra 5 milly if you want Soto and i'm giving up a World series chase. 

[craftsman 1,045]

San Diego huh?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

7 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

who gave him the no trade clause? If i'm him i don't give a flying fock. Better toss me an extra 5 milly if you want Soto and i'm giving up a World series chase. 

they tried and he didnt want to, fock that dude, nobody in baseball wants his pathetic ass

deal still going thru, how would you like to play with a dude that essentially blocks you from acquiring one of the best players in the game cause hes selfish

If I was Manny id be pissed if Hosmer was the one who focked this up

[posty 2,702]

If the Padres win the World Series this year or next year, then they could trade Soto away to avoid the huge contract and get a lot of prospects back...

[WhiteWonder 2,751]

18 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

they tried and he didnt want to, fock that dude, nobody in baseball wants his pathetic ass

deal still going thru, how would you like to play with a dude that essentially blocks you from acquiring one of the best players in the game cause hes selfish

If I was Manny id be pissed if Hosmer was the one who focked this up

your position is understandable as a fan. Have to see it from the position of the player. You were given a no trade clause, you have the right to exercise that no trade clause or at least get compensated for being included in a deal to be sent to a shitty team.   If I was a Padre fan i'd be upset too if it held up the deal.... sounds like it won't.... but it's 100% understandable. 

 

if your company gave you a no relocation clause and then wanted to move you to India, you'd just be like "yeah, if its for the betterment of my current office!" 

[craftsman 1,045]

I would love to see a Padres/Twins World series.

[WhiteWonder 2,751]

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According to Mark Feinsand of MLB.com, Eric Hosmer has exercised his no-trade clause and will not be included in the Padres' trade with the Nationals for Juan Soto and Josh Bell.

Hosmer's inclusion in the blockbuster trade deadline deal, which will be going through regardless of his decision, was purely for financial reasons as the Padres attempt to stay under the luxury tax threshold. He's elected to exercise his no-trade clause and will remain in San Diego for the moment. It's possible the Padres are able to find another team to take him off their hands before Tuesday evening's deadline.

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

5 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

your position is understandable as a fan. Have to see it from the position of the player. You were given a no trade clause, you have the right to exercise that no trade clause or at least get compensated for being included in a deal to be sent to a shitty team.   If I was a Padre fan i'd be upset too if it held up the deal.... sounds like it won't.... but it's 100% understandable. 

 

if your company gave you a no relocation clause and then wanted to move you to India, you'd just be like "yeah, if its for the betterment of my current office!" 

oh I get it, since the trade still went thru, I hate him a little less, but imagine being the guy that kept the team from acquiring one of the best hitters in the game and an all-star 1B

if I was playing with him I would hate him since hes sucked balls anyways, and now keeping the team from potentially winning it all

 

[WhiteWonder 2,751]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

oh I get it, since the trade still went thru, I hate him a little less, but imagine being the guy that kept the team from acquiring one of the best hitters in the game and an all-star 1B

if I was playing with him I would hate him since hes sucked balls anyways, and now keeping the team from potentially winning it all

 

for sure. The question is, does he care? The team doesn't want him, why should he do them a solid? 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

Just now, WhiteWonder said:

for sure. The question is, does he care? The team doesn't want him, why should he do them a solid? 

I agree, honestly, the Padres were only saving 8 mil

pay that 8 mil and give him to KC and he can't say no

 

[Mike Honcho 5,287]

The Yankees

[wiffleball 4,790]

Who's the guy who gets paid out by his old team every single year? 

[jerryskids 6,825]

22 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

Who's the guy who gets paid out by his old team every single year? 

Bobby Bonilla is the one discussed here every July 1st I believe, but there are others with similar deals.

[WhiteWonder 2,751]

I love this, as a non Yankee fan. Placating the fans for possibly just 1 season. Juan Soto is great. the Yankees need a lot more than Soto. On it's own, I don't hate the trade. But bigger picture it means the Yankees will have to start spending (Yankee style spending) , going to cost a boat load to keep him after 2024. 

Also, if I were a Yankee fan, i'd sort of be questioning why they were not willing to part with any of their trade chips in the past for upgrades but now, all of the sudden, because they missed the playoffs, they are willing to do it for a possible rental. 

[wiffleball 4,790]

Never new the Madoff angle. 

 

 

 

Believing they were poised to make a significant profit through their investments with Bernie Madoff, Mets ownership instead agreed to defer Bonilla's salary with 8% interest, and spread the payments across 25 years from 2011-35.Jul 1, 2023