Nikki Haley in 2024!

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34 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Obama chose to prioritize ACA

Unfortunately he wasn’t truthful about the ACA and also oversold . 

 

 

[jerryskids 6,790]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

For two years they had the 60 filibusterproof votes in the Senate. Obama chose to prioritize ACA which took all the political capital they had. That barely passed. He shot his shot with that.

It is fair to ask Obama about this, if he’s being honest I think he’d admit political calculus was taken into account - there is only so much you can do.This was a decade ago, a lot has transpired since then and the climate around this issue is much different today. If these numbers in Congress happened again things would be different.

How would the Dems have done this since then? They couldn’t have as far as I know.

 

You keep saying this, but it doesn't make it true:

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The Affordable Care Act passed the Senate 60-39 along party lines on December 24, 2009, and passed the House 219-212 on March 21, 2010.

ETA:  Remember a smug Obama to McCain:  "Elections have consequences."  That was the closest I've ever seen a president act like a king.  

[thegeneral 3,208]

33 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You keep saying this, but it doesn't make it true:

ETA:  Remember a smug Obama to McCain:  "Elections have consequences."  That was the closest I've ever seen a president act like a king.  

They needed the 60 votes at a minimum to avoid filibuster. Not a simple majority. They had 57 plus two independents. A Republican then changed parties at some point to get to 60. This scenario only existed for a small portion of the 2008 - 2010 Congress. That was when they were able to pass.

The Dems then got smoked in 2010…ACA had a lot to do with that. 

This is politics. 

[thegeneral 3,208]

43 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

ETA:  Remember a smug Obama to McCain:  "Elections have consequences."  That was the closest I've ever seen a president act like a king.  

To this you don’t think Trump’s act where he refused to admit he lost and did everything he could to overturn an election might rate just a tad higher on the “king scale”?

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45 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

They needed the 60 votes at a minimum to avoid filibuster. Not a simple majority. They had 57

Obama knew he could count on all 57 states?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,416]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

They needed the 60 votes at a minimum to avoid filibuster. Not a simple majority. They had 57 plus two independents. A Republican then changed parties at some point to get to 60. This scenario only existed for a small portion of the 2008 - 2010 Congress. That was when they were able to pass.

The Dems then got smoked in 2010…ACA had a lot to do with that. 

This is politics. 

Again, you think none of the rinos would have voted for it. He had it in the bag but chose to keep it as a political issue.  

[thegeneral 3,208]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Again, you think none of the rinos would have voted for it. He had it in the bag but chose to keep it as a political issue.  

None of them did vote for it…it took all 60 with these crazy scenarios playing out. Even then it was hanging by a thread when Kennedy’s seat was taken due to his death.

[thegeneral 3,208]

This is a good summary of how the ACA vote unfolded

I had forgotten many of the wild details that happened to get this through. 

This cost the Dems big in 2010. 

It’s not as if they could have also just tacked on protecting abortion federally. Not all the Dems at the time would have probably even agreed to that. Things have changed quite a bit since then. 

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1 hour ago, edjr said:

Obama knew he could count on all 57 states?

Winner. Shut down this thread. Haley going nowhere 

[jerryskids 6,790]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

To this you don’t think Trump’s act where he refused to admit he lost and did everything he could to overturn an election might rate just a tad higher on the “king scale”?

Not even close.  Nothing about Trump is kingly; in your example he came off more like Veruca Salt.

Obama looked like King Joffrey that day with McCain.   

[thegeneral 3,208]

19 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Winner. Shut down this thread. Haley going nowhere 

Back to the topic of Haley…she’s getting the Koch Brothers cash now. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/28/billionaire-backed-koch-network-endorses-nikki-haley-for-president.html

She seems to have better political chops than Meatball Ron so we’ll see.

Unfortunately it really needs to be one of these against Donald to have a chance and none of them will step back. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Back to the topic of Haley…she’s getting the Koch Brothers cash now. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/28/billionaire-backed-koch-network-endorses-nikki-haley-for-president.html

She seems to have better political chops than Meatball Ron so we’ll see.

Unfortunately it really needs to be one of these against Donald to have a chance and none of them will step back. 

None of them have a chance. Love the big business funding!!

[thegeneral 3,208]

12 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Not even close.  Nothing about Trump is kingly; in your example he came off more like Veruca Salt.

Obama looked like King Joffrey that day with McCain.   

I guess we can disagree. The act of not leaving is Kingly.

McCain got over this slight apparently as he saved ACA years later. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,416]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

None of them did vote for it…it took all 60 with these crazy scenarios playing out. Even then it was hanging by a thread when Kennedy’s seat was taken due to his death.

I’m talking about abortion. They liked having it as an issue, obviously.  

[thegeneral 3,208]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m talking about abortion. They liked having it as an issue, obviously.  

They can do nothing about it as you and others implied. Of course they will campaign on the issue.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,416]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

They can do nothing about it as you and others implied. Of course they will campaign on the issue.

 

He could have.  Him and the democrats chose not to. When asked why he didn’t he said they had other priorities. 

[thegeneral 3,208]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He could have.  Him and the democrats chose not to. When asked why he didn’t he said they had other priorities. 

He could have tried who knows if it would have passed. You also don’t have any idea of that is why this decision was made.

You all act like Dems could do this at any point they have a majority.

Why don’t you think Trump couldn’t build his fence, or couldn’t get ACA overturned?

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,416]

2 hours ago, thegeneral said:

He could have tried who knows if it would have passed. You also don’t have any idea of that is why this decision was made.

You all act like Dems could do this at any point they have a majority.

Why don’t you think Trump couldn’t build his fence, or couldn’t get ACA overturned?

 

Obama said he had other priorities. So I do know he didn’t try. He didn’t say it won’t pass, he said he wanted to do other stuff. I laugh at libtards that get all worked up about abortion but forget this little nugget. 

[thegeneral 3,208]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Obama said he had other priorities. So I do know he didn’t try. He didn’t say it won’t pass, he said he wanted to do other stuff. I laugh at libtards that get all worked up about abortion but forget this little nugget. 

You have no idea. Gets national health care passed…Trump can’t get a fence financed 

It’s so easy to get things through Congress amiright!

I’m glad you read up on how the Senate uses the filibuster though to stymie legislation.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,416]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

You have no idea. Gets national health care passed…Trump can’t get a fence financed 

It’s so easy to get things through Congress amiright!

I’m glad you read up on how the Senate uses the filibuster though to stymie legislation.

I think I have informed you already that more than a few rinos would have voted for it. He only needed 1. Now scram. 

[thegeneral 3,208]

12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I think I have informed you already that more than a few rinos would have voted for it. He only needed 1. Now scram. 

Which ones? Would he have lost any Dems with this? How about the House would any Dems have flipped there that vote was very close as well. 

This was 14 years ago, but you know

The whole point of this exercise was that it was brought up that both sides keep issues around that are politically advantageous. There might be some truth to that. They definitely wouldn’t run from it when campaigning after the fact (you probably disagree and team red tie never does that because you gargled their balls).

In this case of abortion I have heard this line that the Dems could have codified Roe but I don’t see how this was possible except perhaps this small window of time over a decade ago when Obama was busy getting Health Care passed - which they did by the skin of their teeth.

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Just now, thegeneral said:

Which ones? Would he have lost any Dems with this? How about the House would any Dems have flipped there that vote was very close as well. 

This was 14 years ago, but you know

The whole point of this exercise was that it was brought up that both sides keep issues around that are politically advantageous. There might be some truth to that. They definitely wouldn’t run from it when campaigning after the fact (you probably disagree and team red tie never does that because you gargled their balls).

In this case of abortion I have heard this line that the Dems could have codified Roe but I don’t see how this was possible except perhaps this small window of time over a decade ago when Obama was busy getting Health Care passed - which they did by the skin of their teeth.

The codification claim is dumb. Republicans could’ve repealed it as soon as they had the majority back. It’s far more difficult to overturn a Supreme Court ruling, though they did manage to do that.

Only thing more ironclad would’ve been a constitutional amendment, but that’s damn near impossible (and probably for good reason).

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4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Which ones? Would he have lost any Dems with this? How about the House would any Dems have flipped there that vote was very close as well. 

This was 14 years ago, but you know

The whole point of this exercise was that it was brought up that both sides keep issues around that are politically advantageous. There might be some truth to that. They definitely wouldn’t run from it when campaigning after the fact (you probably disagree and team red tie never does that because you gargled their balls).

In this case of abortion I have heard this line that the Dems could have codified Roe but I don’t see how this was possible except perhaps this small window of time over a decade ago when Obama was busy getting Health Care passed - which they did by the skin of their teeth.

Also, we can't pretend that abortion would have similar support to health care.    I'd bet that these "RINOs" that HT is banking on would be more likely to flip for health care than abortion.   

[Hardcore troubadour 15,416]

He only needed one pin Rodney.  You clowns are stoooopid. Look at you stooped over carrying water for a nothing like Barrack Obama. Sad. 

[thegeneral 3,208]

Obama in a span of a year or so didn’t concurrently get a national health care bill passed AND cement rules to keep Roe permanent - a decade before red tie team stacked the court - because he wanted to keep this as a political football!

I think he should have redone Social Security and invented a flying car. What a slackass.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,416]

Obamacare. Didn’t reduce costs, everyone on it that actually pays it hates it, and the core of it was found to be unconstitutional. But he was president of the Harvard law review! Lol.  

[thegeneral 3,208]

24 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Obamacare. Didn’t reduce costs, everyone on it that actually pays it hates it, and the core of it was found to be unconstitutional. But he was president of the Harvard law review! Lol.  

Subject change I see!

The Orange King will replace it with something big and beautiful in two weeks

[Hardcore troubadour 15,416]

34 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Subject change I see!

The Orange King will replace it with something big and beautiful in two weeks

Not this time.  He has to clean up the other gigantic numerous messes that Biden will leave him.  But at least cancer will be cured thanks to Biden.  And only Biden.  

[thegeneral 3,208]

11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Not this time.  He has to clean up the other gigantic numerous messes that Biden will leave him.  But at least cancer will be cured thanks to Biden.  And only Biden.  

Team red tie should totally run on eliminating ACA

Trump had 4 years to do it. Why not then? Remember Dems could do this with Roe at any point. It’s easy!

[Hardcore troubadour 15,416]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Team red tie should totally run on eliminating ACA

Trump had 4 years to do it. Why not then? Remember Dems could do this with Roe at any point. It’s easy!

He never had a super majority, or close to it. You are generally a dumb Fock.  

[thegeneral 3,208]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He never had a super majority, or close to it. You are generally a dumb Fock.  

Hey look you figured it out!

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 I miss Nikki. My third favorite muppet. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

CNN — 

Welcome to the new Never Trump.

The 45th president’s enemies on the right are mustering for a final big money showdowndesigned to crush his hopes of a third consecutive Republican nomination less than 50 days before voting starts in the GOP primary race.

Nikki Haley will be the lavishly funded vessel carrying the hopes of the influential network funded by billionaire Charles Koch and top industrial and corporate donors who think Donald Trump is a risk too far next November.

Their bet is that the former South Carolina governor can succeed where busted 2016 $100 million front-runner Jeb Bush, Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, two impeachments, old school Republicans like Mitt Romney, millions splashed by the Club for Growth and the Lincoln Project and allied groups, a 2020 election defeat, a pliant House GOP majority and several special counsels failed.

Tuesday’s endorsement from Americans for Prosperity Action is the latest indication that Haley – on the strength of a shrewd campaign, a new generational message, and several strong debate performances – is now the GOP establishment’s favorite as the Trump-alternative.

But despite the advantage of the Koch network’s tens of millions of dollars and its vast political machine, the endorsement poses new questions for Haley – the latest woman to take a turn trying to break the highest glass ceiling in politics.

First, will this new boost relatively late simply make her one of the best-financed runners-up in US political history? Or can she use it to mount a serious challenge to the ex-president in building a path to the GOP nomination that does not yet seem to exist?

At the very least, the decision of one of the premier networks in conservative politics to climb on board the accelerating Haley train could help create the only conditions under which Trump could be beaten in a GOP primary that he is currently leading massively, according to polls in early voting states and across the nation. It might speed the process of Haley eclipsing rivals like Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and ex-New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie. This, in turn, could consolidate the field behind one genuine anti-Trump candidate who could wound the ex-president in the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary in January and then perhaps make him vulnerable in later big-state contests.
 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/29/politics/haley-koch-trump-2024/index.html

Interesting stuff

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2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

CNN — 

Welcome to the new Never Trump.

The 45th president’s enemies on the right are mustering for a final big money showdowndesigned to crush his hopes of a third consecutive Republican nomination less than 50 days before voting starts in the GOP primary race.

Nikki Haley will be the lavishly funded vessel carrying the hopes of the influential network funded by billionaire Charles Koch and top industrial and corporate donors who think Donald Trump is a risk too far next November.

Their bet is that the former South Carolina governor can succeed where busted 2016 $100 million front-runner Jeb Bush, Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, two impeachments, old school Republicans like Mitt Romney, millions splashed by the Club for Growth and the Lincoln Project and allied groups, a 2020 election defeat, a pliant House GOP majority and several special counsels failed.

Tuesday’s endorsement from Americans for Prosperity Action is the latest indication that Haley – on the strength of a shrewd campaign, a new generational message, and several strong debate performances – is now the GOP establishment’s favorite as the Trump-alternative.

But despite the advantage of the Koch network’s tens of millions of dollars and its vast political machine, the endorsement poses new questions for Haley – the latest woman to take a turn trying to break the highest glass ceiling in politics.

First, will this new boost relatively late simply make her one of the best-financed runners-up in US political history? Or can she use it to mount a serious challenge to the ex-president in building a path to the GOP nomination that does not yet seem to exist?

At the very least, the decision of one of the premier networks in conservative politics to climb on board the accelerating Haley train could help create the only conditions under which Trump could be beaten in a GOP primary that he is currently leading massively, according to polls in early voting states and across the nation. It might speed the process of Haley eclipsing rivals like Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and ex-New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie. This, in turn, could consolidate the field behind one genuine anti-Trump candidate who could wound the ex-president in the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary in January and then perhaps make him vulnerable in later big-state contests.
 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/29/politics/haley-koch-trump-2024/index.html

Interesting stuff

Hillary 2.0

[jonmx 2,429]

7 hours ago, HellToupee said:

Hillary 2.0

Anybody who thinks any of these single-digit candidates are going to make a serious run at Trump is smoking weed.  If the base wanted an establishment candidate, they would vote for Biden.  The can have a $100 billion of Koch money, it ain't happening.   Unlike the dimwitted Democrats, the right thinks independently. 

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6 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

CNN — 

Welcome to the new Never Trump.

The 45th president’s enemies on the right are mustering for a final big money showdowndesigned to crush his hopes of a third consecutive Republican nomination less than 50 days before voting starts in the GOP primary race.

Nikki Haley will be the lavishly funded vessel carrying the hopes of the influential network funded by billionaire Charles Koch and top industrial and corporate donors who think Donald Trump is a risk too far next November.

Their bet is that the former South Carolina governor can succeed where busted 2016 $100 million front-runner Jeb Bush, Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, two impeachments, old school Republicans like Mitt Romney, millions splashed by the Club for Growth and the Lincoln Project and allied groups, a 2020 election defeat, a pliant House GOP majority and several special counsels failed.

Tuesday’s endorsement from Americans for Prosperity Action is the latest indication that Haley – on the strength of a shrewd campaign, a new generational message, and several strong debate performances – is now the GOP establishment’s favorite as the Trump-alternative.

But despite the advantage of the Koch network’s tens of millions of dollars and its vast political machine, the endorsement poses new questions for Haley – the latest woman to take a turn trying to break the highest glass ceiling in politics.

First, will this new boost relatively late simply make her one of the best-financed runners-up in US political history? Or can she use it to mount a serious challenge to the ex-president in building a path to the GOP nomination that does not yet seem to exist?

At the very least, the decision of one of the premier networks in conservative politics to climb on board the accelerating Haley train could help create the only conditions under which Trump could be beaten in a GOP primary that he is currently leading massively, according to polls in early voting states and across the nation. It might speed the process of Haley eclipsing rivals like Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and ex-New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie. This, in turn, could consolidate the field behind one genuine anti-Trump candidate who could wound the ex-president in the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary in January and then perhaps make him vulnerable in later big-state contests.
 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/29/politics/haley-koch-trump-2024/index.html

Interesting stuff

Yup.  I think Nikki wins easily against Biden, so it'll be very interesting to see if she can get any traction.   The fact that several prominent Iowa politicians have endorsed her or DeSantis suggests that Iowa might be more competitive than it looks right now.

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[lod001 1,344]

Completely destroyed in about 1 minute.  You can see it in her face that she knows that ended her right there. 

Vivek is the type of person you want ruining the country, just like Trump. No talking point BS no catering to the masses, just come out and destroy the career politicians and their BS. He sent the fat man packing as well along with help from Megan whatshername..

[IGotWorms 4,058]

11 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Completely destroyed in about 1 minute.  You can see it in her face that she knows that ended her right there. 

Vivek is the type of person you want ruining the country, just like Trump. No talking point BS no catering to the masses, just come out and destroy the career politicians and their BS. He sent the fat man packing as well along with help from Megan whatshername..

I agree that Vivek would definitely ruin the country, just like Trump