Elon Musk-“The Media Is Racist”

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20 minutes ago, Casual Observer said:

Um, Tim.  Don't you do the same thing all day long?

Nope. Doesn’t even take time to shine his metal helmet 

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12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Here we firmly disagree. Affirmative Action is, IMO, a bad idea, for a number of reasons. But it is not racist. There is no intent to deprive any race, rather the intent is to create an equal playing field. The intent of AA is noble. It just doesn’t work because it creates resentment and doesn’t get to the root of the problem. 
 

And the root of the problem is this: we don’t have an equal playing field. Black kids in our society do not have the same economic or educational opportunities to be successful. Some of this is due to culture, and some of it is due to a series of well-meaning but bad decisions, a big chunk of these by liberals. And some of it, a significant portion, is due to historic, systemic racism that exists in the present day. And it seems to me that this last part is what you refuse to acknowledge (along with the idea that the playing field isn’t equal.) 

You focus on intent instead of outcome.   Whereas when implementing the strategy the focus is outcomes.... its seems incongruous.

Whether or not liberals intend to hurt becomes irrelevant when that is the outcome. 

Many kids from many minority groups face similar obstacles. The issue is not the playing field, the issue is culture and when you have a strong culture (as with the Asian community) you will excel.  Behaviors are but one element of success, but behaviors are the most important element. 

Racism will always exist.  But it is no longer systemic.  Right now the most prominent obstacle to success, for anyone, is their choices.  Good choices = better outcomes and bad choices = lesser outcomes. And that is why you can pour money into schools and still not see improvement, its not the money, its the people. 

 

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35 minutes ago, Casual Observer said:

Um, Tim.  Don't you do the same thing all day long?

I share entire twitter posts, I don’t try to pass them off as my own.   The odd thing was he didn’t just copy the whole thing, he copied sentences, then spent the time to take out a few random words.  Still blatant plagiarism obviously, he certainly wouldn’t be getting into Stanford doing that.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

What Musk said isn't news.  Anyone with half a brain knows the msm is overwhelmingly Liberal, and racist against whites.  I'm done debating that reality.  What I want to know is - how do we fix it?  Personally, I don't think it is fixable through peaceful means.  It's too deeply rooted -  "systemic" as the Liberals like to say.  Unlike racism against blacks, racism against whites can't be remedied legislatively or judicially.  So what are Conservatives left to do?  I hope it never gets to this, but if the Cold War between Liberals and Conservatives ever goes Hot, the msm will likely be the first area of focus.

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Here we firmly disagree. Affirmative Action is, IMO, a bad idea, for a number of reasons. But it is not racist. There is no intent to deprive any race, rather the intent is to create an equal playing field. The intent of AA is noble. It just doesn’t work because it creates resentment and doesn’t get to the root of the problem. 
 

And the root of the problem is this: we don’t have an equal playing field. Black kids in our society do not have the same economic or educational opportunities to be successful. Some of this is due to culture, and some of it is due to a series of well-meaning but bad decisions, a big chunk of these by liberals. And some of it, a significant portion, is due to historic, systemic racism that exists in the present day. And it seems to me that this last part is what you refuse to acknowledge (along with the idea that the playing field isn’t equal.) 

What specific economic or educational opportunities do black kids not have, based on their race?

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37 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I share entire twitter posts, I don’t try to pass them off as my own.   The odd thing was he didn’t just copy the whole thing, he copied sentences, then spent the time to take out a few random words.  Still blatant plagiarism obviously, he certainly wouldn’t be getting into Stanford doing that.

Where did you go to college? 

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30 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

What Musk said isn't news.  Anyone with half a brain knows the msm is overwhelmingly Liberal, and racist against whites.  I'm done debating that reality.  What I want to know is - how do we fix it?  Personally, I don't think it is fixable through peaceful means.  It's too deeply rooted -  "systemic" as the Liberals like to say.  Unlike racism against blacks, racism against whites can't be remedied legislatively or judicially.  So what are Conservatives left to do?  I hope it never gets to this, but if the Cold War between Liberals and Conservatives ever goes Hot, the msm will likely be the first area of focus.

You are correct it’s not fixable. The leftist’s completely control of Legacy Media and the University systems have adopted a Racial Industrial Complex (tm) for @TimHauck because I lifted that from someone else. It’s become a business for them. It’s why the media pushes white on black crime and Universities have entire departments that are dedicated to studying racial grievances funded by tuition payments. 

“Racial Industrial Complex” (RIC) refers to an industry that has monetized racial discourse as entities have recognized that Americans, and human beings in general, respond strongly to perceived incidents of racial injustice. @TimHauck I lifted that too.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Here we firmly disagree. Affirmative Action is, IMO, a bad idea, for a number of reasons. But it is not racist. There is no intent to deprive any race, rather the intent is to create an equal playing field. The intent of AA is noble. It just doesn’t work because it creates resentment and doesn’t get to the root of the problem. 
 

And the root of the problem is this: we don’t have an equal playing field. Black kids in our society do not have the same economic or educational opportunities to be successful. Some of this is due to culture, and some of it is due to a series of well-meaning but bad decisions, a big chunk of these by liberals. And some of it, a significant portion, is due to historic, systemic racism that exists in the present day. And it seems to me that this last part is what you refuse to acknowledge (along with the idea that the playing field isn’t equal.) 

This is a reasonable post and refreshing to see.  I agree that Conservatives haven't fully appreciated some of the systemic issues that blacks face.  I also agree that well-meaning Liberal solutions haven't worked.  At the heart of all this is Affirmative Action (AA).  In my opinion, AA was very much needed in the 70's and 80's as a short-term action.  But not today.

At its core, AA is based on a presumption that white people are actively making decisions based on negative views towards blacks.  I won't deny that some of this goes on, but in my opinion it's an insignificant number.  This is where Conservatives and Liberals differ.  Liberals tend to view white intentions as negative, while Conservatives tend to have a more optimistic outlook.  I lean toward the Conservative side, though I have to admit I'm a white guy in a rural area, and I'm not exposed on a daily basis to the issues and concerns of black people.  But I do interact with a lot of white people, both professionally and personally, and I can honestly say that I've only witnessed white racism a few times in my adult life.  What I have witnessed, over and over, is a fundamental goodness in white Americans, and a deeply rooted sense that individuals should be judged fairly based on the content of their character and not the color of their skin.

While it is hard to quantify the intentions of an entire race, it's worth mentioning that there are very few people in decision-making positions who were politicized prior to the Civil Rights Act of 1965.  It's been almost 60 years since equal opportunity became the law of the land, and the vast majority of Americans have grown up knowing nothing else.  This is why you see such a visceral reaction when people see clearly racist policies in place - such as college admissions.  White Americans make up 62% of the US population, yet only 26% of the undergraduate population at Stanford.  This is the clearest example of racism you will see in America today.  Liberals have tried to redefine racism to exclude this practice, but most Americans view this for what it is - crap.  The reality is that racism is actually a very simple concept, one that a 5 year old can understand.

There are better ways to advance the condition of black Americans, and well-intentioned Liberals need to look at some of these solutions, even if they are "Conservative" in nature.  Stop throwing money at the problems without addressing the root causes.  Stop with "the bigotry of low expectations."  Can we at least try working with successful blacks to redefine black culture?  Do we really need modern day rap to be so foul and misogynistic?  Seriously, I can't even listen to this sh!t anymore.  Every other word is "biatch" and "n-word".  It's rancid and it's nihilistic, and no matter what anyone says, it does have an impact on kids and black culture.  How about setting up policies and tax laws that reward marriage and two parent homes, and create incentives for business people to invest in black communities.  Decriminalize drugs, and instead focus on getting addicts the help they need.  Increase police presence at our schools.  It's obvious that 300 pound, white female teachers are incapable of enforcing discipline and breaking up fights.

Sadly, I don't think that any of this happens.  Liberals are very stubborn people.

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On 2/28/2023 at 11:01 AM, TimHauck said:

I share entire twitter posts, I don’t try to pass them off as my own.   The odd thing was he didn’t just copy the whole thing, he copied sentences, then spent the time to take out a few random words.  Still blatant plagiarism obviously, he certainly wouldn’t be getting into Stanford doing that.

Do you think this is a term paper where you have make proper attribution?  By posting entire twitter posts you are most times explicitly using the post to bolster your opinion, especially where it is complete bullshit, which is often.

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On 2/28/2023 at 11:36 AM, Patented Phil said:

This is a reasonable post and refreshing to see.  I agree that Conservatives haven't fully appreciated some of the systemic issues that blacks face.  I also agree that well-meaning Liberal solutions haven't worked.  At the heart of all this is Affirmative Action (AA).  In my opinion, AA was very much needed in the 70's and 80's as a short-term action.  But not today.

At its core, AA is based on a presumption that white people are actively making decisions based on negative views towards blacks.  I won't deny that some of this goes on, but in my opinion it's an insignificant number.  This is where Conservatives and Liberals differ.  Liberals tend to view white intentions as negative, while Conservatives tend to have a more optimistic outlook.  I lean toward the Conservative side, though I have to admit I'm a white guy in a rural area, and I'm not exposed on a daily basis to the issues and concerns of black people.  But I do interact with a lot of white people, both professionally and personally, and I can honestly say that I've only witnessed white racism a few times in my adult life.  What I have witnessed, over and over, is a fundamental goodness in white Americans, and a deeply rooted sense that individuals should be judged fairly based on the content of their character and not the color of their skin.

While it is hard to quantify the intentions of an entire race, it's worth mentioning that there are very few people in decision-making positions who were politicized prior to the Civil Rights Act of 1965.  It's been almost 60 years since equal opportunity became the law of the land, and the vast majority of Americans have grown up knowing nothing else.  This is why you see such a visceral reaction when people see clearly racist policies in place - such as college admissions.  White Americans make up 62% of the US population, yet only 26% of the undergraduate population at Stanford.  This is the clearest example of racism you will see in America today.  Liberals have tried to redefine racism to exclude this practice, but most Americans view this for what it is - crap.  The reality is that racism is actually a very simple concept, one that a 5 year old can understand.

There are better ways to advance the condition of black Americans, and well-intentioned Liberals need to look at some of these solutions, even if they are "Conservative" in nature.  Stop throwing money at the problems without addressing the root causes.  Stop with "the bigotry of low expectations."  Can we at least try working with successful blacks to redefine black culture?  Do we really need modern day rap to be so foul and misogynistic?  Seriously, I can't even listen to this sh!t anymore.  Every other word is "biatch" and "n-word".  It's rancid and it's nihilistic, and no matter what anyone says, it does have an impact on kids and black culture.  How about setting up policies and tax laws that reward marriage and two parent homes, and create incentives for business people to invest in black communities.  Decriminalize drugs, and instead focus on getting addicts the help they need.  Increase police presence at our schools.  It's obvious that 300 pound, white female teachers are incapable of enforcing discipline and breaking up fights.

Sadly, I don't think that any of this happens.  Liberals are very stubborn people.

I will echo the bolded sentiment after reading this post.   

Some of the suggested solutions I don't agree with, but I like the sentiment agree with most of it.   

I think the core argument between the sides is how much of issue is systemic vs. self inflicted.  IMO each of the sides lean too hard on their side and don't talk enough about the other side of the equation.  Too busy fighting over who is "right",  and not moving an inch from their side.    I say both are going on and it depends who and where we are talking about as to which forces are more at play and we need more thinking like yours that addresses both sides.  

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On 2/28/2023 at 12:36 PM, Patented Phil said:

This is a reasonable post and refreshing to see.  I agree that Conservatives haven't fully appreciated some of the systemic issues that blacks face.  I also agree that well-meaning Liberal solutions haven't worked.  At the heart of all this is Affirmative Action (AA).  In my opinion, AA was very much needed in the 70's and 80's as a short-term action.  But not today.

At its core, AA is based on a presumption that white people are actively making decisions based on negative views towards blacks.  I won't deny that some of this goes on, but in my opinion it's an insignificant number.  This is where Conservatives and Liberals differ.  Liberals tend to view white intentions as negative, while Conservatives tend to have a more optimistic outlook.  I lean toward the Conservative side, though I have to admit I'm a white guy in a rural area, and I'm not exposed on a daily basis to the issues and concerns of black people.  But I do interact with a lot of white people, both professionally and personally, and I can honestly say that I've only witnessed white racism a few times in my adult life.  What I have witnessed, over and over, is a fundamental goodness in white Americans, and a deeply rooted sense that individuals should be judged fairly based on the content of their character and not the color of their skin.

While it is hard to quantify the intentions of an entire race, it's worth mentioning that there are very few people in decision-making positions who were politicized prior to the Civil Rights Act of 1965.  It's been almost 60 years since equal opportunity became the law of the land, and the vast majority of Americans have grown up knowing nothing else.  This is why you see such a visceral reaction when people see clearly racist policies in place - such as college admissions.  White Americans make up 62% of the US population, yet only 26% of the undergraduate population at Stanford.  This is the clearest example of racism you will see in America today.  Liberals have tried to redefine racism to exclude this practice, but most Americans view this for what it is - crap.  The reality is that racism is actually a very simple concept, one that a 5 year old can understand.

There are better ways to advance the condition of black Americans, and well-intentioned Liberals need to look at some of these solutions, even if they are "Conservative" in nature.  Stop throwing money at the problems without addressing the root causes.  Stop with "the bigotry of low expectations."  Can we at least try working with successful blacks to redefine black culture?  Do we really need modern day rap to be so foul and misogynistic?  Seriously, I can't even listen to this sh!t anymore.  Every other word is "biatch" and "n-word".  It's rancid and it's nihilistic, and no matter what anyone says, it does have an impact on kids and black culture.  How about setting up policies and tax laws that reward marriage and two parent homes, and create incentives for business people to invest in black communities.  Decriminalize drugs, and instead focus on getting addicts the help they need.  Increase police presence at our schools.  It's obvious that 300 pound, white female teachers are incapable of enforcing discipline and breaking up fights.

Sadly, I don't think that any of this happens.  Liberals are very stubborn people.

Look, I found the dumbest post on the internet!

The ignorance here is just astounding. You’re giving Scott Adams a run for his money here with the offensive statements about black people. Nice job getting in some fat-shaming and misogyny too. You should get a rainbow sticker for exploring the entire spectrum of bigotry in one post.

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5 hours ago, dogcows said:

Look, I found the dumbest post on the internet!

The ignorance here is just astounding. You’re giving Scott Adams a run for his money here with the offensive statements about black people. Nice job getting in some fat-shaming and misogyny too. You should get a rainbow sticker for exploring the entire spectrum of bigotry in one post.

What did I say about black people that was offensive?

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11 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

What did I say about black people that was offensive?

It was offensive that you defended white people, the most despicable people ever to live who should be exterminated unless they repent and beg for forgiveness.  

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16 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

What did I say about black people that was offensive?

You disagreed with him. In doing so you exposed his fragility 

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19 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

What did I say about black people that was offensive?

I would have hoped somebody with a post that dumb would be better at playing dumb. Oh well, life is full of disappointments.

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On 2/28/2023 at 12:36 PM, Patented Phil said:

This is a reasonable post and refreshing to see.  I agree that Conservatives haven't fully appreciated some of the systemic issues that blacks face.  I also agree that well-meaning Liberal solutions haven't worked.  At the heart of all this is Affirmative Action (AA).  In my opinion, AA was very much needed in the 70's and 80's as a short-term action.  But not today.

At its core, AA is based on a presumption that white people are actively making decisions based on negative views towards blacks.  I won't deny that some of this goes on, but in my opinion it's an insignificant number.  

Step 2.  It's not widespread

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23 minutes ago, dogcows said:

I would have hoped somebody with a post that dumb would be better at playing dumb. Oh well, life is full of disappointments.

Agree. You've been a disappointment ever since your mom tried to abort you.

GTFO with your stupid nonsense.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

2 hours ago, dogcows said:

I would have hoped somebody with a post that dumb would be better at playing dumb. Oh well, life is full of disappointments.

You’re an ass-clown.  Get lost.