Elon Musk-“The Media Is Racist”

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

25 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Stanford’s incoming class is 22% white. Less than half of that is white men. Admitted white men are likely legacies or their parents bought them an acceptance letter. The rural math genius has no chance at elite universities and the United States through racist university and employment diversity policies is publicly committing suicide.

If you want to survive as a nation you have to look for talent everywhere and cultivate it wherever you find it. The United States in its DEI form is repulsive, and when it collapses it will deserve it. This is one of the many reasons I think the left are filth. 

Do you have any evidence whatsoever that Stanford is producing graduates with less abilities now than in prior years? If you do, I might be more persuaded by some of your arguments. But I have no knowledge that this is the case. 

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

Based Elon.

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

41 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Tim still thinks that Trump won because of racism, despite the fact that he won because he flipped Obama voters, and increased the republicans share of black and Hispanic voters. What can you do? If he gets off the racism tip, what is he left with to explain it? 

You can ignore the evidence but that doesn’t make it go away: 

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/identities/2017/12/15/16781222/trump-racism-economic-anxiety-study

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

43 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Tim still thinks that Trump won because of racism, despite the fact that he won because he flipped Obama voters, and increased the republicans share of black and Hispanic voters. What can you do? If he gets off the racism tip, what is he left with to explain it? 

Not gonna lie, Trump won me over when he said we should ban muslims.

[RLLD 4,282]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Which is, we can agree, an irrational response. Should it therefore justify other irrational responses? 

I think that will depend.  If the expectation is that we simply allow liberals to do as they please and then demand that conservatives remain adults I think we are going to face some real friction. And thus far we have really let the liberals act out, like toddlers in a supermarket, and pretended that was OK.  But if conservatives step out of line in any way they are held fully accountable.....this is an issue. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,042]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You can ignore the evidence but that doesn’t make it go away: 

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/identities/2017/12/15/16781222/trump-racism-economic-anxiety-study

Wow. What a bunch of garbage. I’m not even getting into it. I read something from Vox when I should know better. Again, Trump flipped areas that Obama voted for twice. I guess they became racists in Obamas second term. 

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

Just now, iam90sbaby said:

Not gonna lie, Trump won me over when he said we should ban muslims.

Well that’s for being honest. 
 

But of course the main racial fears from Trump voters regard black people. Read the link I just posted: it’s one of many studies that all say the same thing. And don’t blame me, I’m just the messenger. 
 

One really important line in that study: white Trump voters, by and large, have a “moral feeling that blacks don’t value traditional American ideals like individualism and working hard to achieve success”. In other words they’re lazy underachievers who take money from hard working white taxpayers. That basic attitude, which is pure racism, is prevalent as an underlying argument in nearly every racial discussion that takes place in this forum. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,042]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Well that’s for being honest. 
 

But of course the main racial fears from Trump voters regard black people. Read the link I just posted: it’s one of many studies that all say the same thing. And don’t blame me, I’m just the messenger. 
 

One really important line in that study: white Trump voters, by and large, have a “moral feeling that blacks don’t value traditional American ideals like individualism and working hard to achieve success”. In other words they’re lazy underachievers who take money from hard working white taxpayers. That basic attitude, which is pure racism, is prevalent as an underlying argument in nearly every racial discussion that takes place in this forum. 

You mean white millennials. That’s who was polled, by Vox. Why do you mislead? 

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think that will depend.  If the expectation is that we simply allow liberals to do as they please and then demand that conservatives remain adults I think we are going to face some real friction. And thus far we have really let the liberals act out, like toddlers in a supermarket, and pretended that was OK.  But if conservatives step out of line in any way they are held fully accountable.....this is an issue. 

I hope that isn’t the expectation. It certainly doesn’t come from me. I think we should expect rational behavior from everyone, and condemn it when it doesn’t happen. 
 

So let me address your specific complaint: if any politician on either side endorses, excuses or attempts to justify violent behavior, I will never support them again. For me that’s a point beyond which I will not cross. I don’t care if it’s January 6 or George Floyd riots. You support it or excuse it, I’m done with you. 

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You mean white millennials. That’s who was polled, by Vox. Why do you mislead? 

Glad you read it after all! But if you saw that then you also saw that millennials were chosen in that one poll because they are judged to be representative, but there were many other polls cited that covered an even wider ground and they all reached the same exact conclusion. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,042]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Glad you read it after all! But if you saw that then you also saw that millennials were chosen in that one poll because they are judged to be representative, but there were many other polls cited that covered an even wider ground and they all reached the same exact conclusion. 

The only poll that would count is one of people that switched their vote, and where. They decided it. A millennial in California or Texas had no bearing on the election. 

[Casual Observer 597]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I guess it’s pointless to argue with white people who believe they are being persecuted for their whiteness. I don’t know why I do it. They ignore all facts because it’s an emotional thing, rooted in the fear of becoming a minority in this country for the first time in a few years. Right now white people make up 60% of the population; it used to be 90%. That makes people uncomfortable- it was the whole reason Trump was elected. It’s a scary thing. 

Definitely not a racial bigot Tim knows what percentage of the US is white, with an implicit happiness in its decline.  Keep posting, Tim, you're exposing your mental sickness more and more by the day.

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The only poll that would count is one of people that switched their vote, and where. They decided it. A millennial in California or Texas had no bearing on the election. 

You’re only partly correct. Just as important as people switching their votes is the amount of energized partisans. Perhaps more important. Trump caused millions of people who didn’t vote previously to come out and vote, particularly in the rust belt states that made the difference. What those people think is vitally important. 

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

2 minutes ago, Casual Observer said:

Definitely not a racial bigot Tim knows what percentage of the US is white, with an implicit happiness in its decline.  Keep posting, Tim, you're exposing your mental sickness more and more by the day.

I’m neither happy nor unhappy with the change in percentages. I’m indifferent to it, other than the fact that it has created a sense of white victimhood which I dislike. Other than that I don’t care. 

[Casual Observer 597]

26 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You can ignore the evidence but that doesn’t make it go away: 

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/identities/2017/12/15/16781222/trump-racism-economic-anxiety-study

Neither is this evidence.  The "authors" of this study for Vox reached the conclusion they wanted through their own subjective and biased lenses and all without ever asking the specific question.  Amazing.  You know, you and the other Tim share a number of similarities, which are disturbing.  Chief among them is the propensity to gaslight and claim that something that is actually happening is not happening.  Are you two the same person or just happen to coincidentally share the same mental pathologies?

[Casual Observer 597]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I’m neither happy nor unhappy with the change in percentages. I’m indifferent to it, other than the fact that it has created a sense of white victimhood which I dislike. Other than that I don’t care. 

Sure you don't.  Why else would a person even want to know what the percentages are.

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

3 minutes ago, Casual Observer said:

Sure you don't.  Why else would a person even want to know what the percentages are.

Because there’s a correlation between the percentage numbers and the level of white resentment. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,042]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re only partly correct. Just as important as people switching their votes is the amount of energized partisans. Perhaps more important. Trump caused millions of people who didn’t vote previously to come out and vote, particularly in the rust belt states that made the difference. What those people think is vitally important. 

It was still the ones that switched that decided it. 

 

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re only partly correct. Just as important as people switching their votes is the amount of energized partisans. Perhaps more important. Trump caused millions of people who didn’t vote previously to come out and vote, particularly in the rust belt states that made the difference. What those people think is vitally important. 

So those people say why they switched , which was the fact that their jobs had gone away and Trump hit on that nerve, and yet you still claim racism. There’s much more proof that it was economics than racism, yet you dismiss it. Such unbiased intellect. Obama says there is no magic wand for those people, those jobs aren’t coming back. Trump says he will bring them back. Racism ! After all, who wants a job when you have your guns and religion? 

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

4 minutes ago, Casual Observer said:

Neither is this evidence.  The "authors" of this study for Vox reached the conclusion they wanted through their own subjective and biased lenses and all without ever asking the specific question.  Amazing.  You know, you and the other Tim share a number of similarities, which are disturbing.  Chief among them is the propensity to gaslight and claim that something that is actually happening is not happening.  Are you two the same person or just happen to coincidentally share the same mental pathologies?

We’re not the same guy. 
 

What I find especially ironic about your comments is that you attack the study, make it out to be a biased lie, yet based on your posts on this subject you agree with every opinion the study says you should have. You believe that whites are victims, you feel resentment about it, and you very likely voted for Trump because of it. You’re a prime example that the results were accurate. 

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It was still the ones that switched that decided it. 

 

So those people say why they switched , which was the fact that their jobs had gone away and Trump hit on that nerve, and yet you still claim racism. There’s much more proof that it was economics than racism, yet you dismiss it. Such unbiased intellect. Obama says there is no magic wand for those people, those jobs aren’t coming back. Trump says he will bring them back. Racism ! After all, who wants a job when you have your guns and religion? 

Can you produce a study or poll that says that economics and not racial fears were the main reason behind the vote for Trump? Even among those who switched from Obama? If you can find such a study or poll, I might have to alter my conclusions a little. Your word alone  isn’t enough to cause me to do that, however. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,042]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Can you produce a study or poll that says that economics and not racial fears were the main reason behind the vote for Trump? Even among those who switched from Obama? If you can find such a study or poll, I might have to alter my conclusions a little. Your word alone  isn’t enough to cause me to do that, however. 

So you think trade wasn’t a key issue in industrial swing states? Exit polling from 2016 says it was.  Are you familiar with the book by Thomas Frank, “What’s The Matter With Kansas” ? 

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So you think trade wasn’t a key issue in industrial swing states? Exit polling from 2016 says it was.  Are you familiar with the book by Thomas Frank, “What’s The Matter With Kansas” ? 

Can you produce some of that exit polling please? 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,042]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Can you produce some of that exit polling please? 

You can look it up. Exit polling 2016 swing states trade. Put it in the google. 

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

You can look it up. Exit polling 2016 swing states trade. Put it in the google. 

I just did. I got the same info as before: it was assumed by many people that trade was the primary reason, but the actual exit polls and every study afterwards shows that it was racial fears first, trade second. 
 

That’s why I asked you to produce something that shows the opposite result. Because I can’t find it. 

[dogcows 1,242]

Elon is an idiot.

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

Just now, dogcows said:

Elon is an idiot.

He’s not. He is a genius. No denying that fact. Henry Ford was a genius too which is why I made the comparison. 

[dogcows 1,242]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

He’s not. He is a genius. No denying that fact. Henry Ford was a genius too which is why I made the comparison. 

Read his tweets. He hasn’t even figured out the English language. He spent $44 billon on something worth about 10% of that.

He didn’t found Tesla; he bought it. He didn’t invent anything. He made a few lucky business investments after beginning life on 3rd base, and then he’s supposedly a genius.

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

1 minute ago, dogcows said:

Read his tweets. He hasn’t even figured out the English language. He spent $44 billon on something worth about 10% of that.

He didn’t found Tesla; he bought it. He didn’t invent anything. He made a few lucky business investments after beginning life on 3rd base, and then he’s supposedly a genius.

Your points make me feel better, but I don’t think you’re correct. Though I don’t know the details. I thought he was involved with Tesla’s design. 

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

Yeah even reading his bio page on Wiki it sure sounds like Elon is more than an investor for Tesla and SpaceX. He’s the chief product architect and designer. I suspect, unfortunately, that he’s a pretty brilliant dude. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,042]

22 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Elon is an idiot.

Ok. Let’s move on. Why did Hillary withdraw her support, publicly at least, for the TPP? 

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ok. Let’s move on. Why did Hillary withdraw her support, publicly at least, for the TPP? 

Cowardice. And fear that she was losing the rust belt. 
Again, find an exit poll or study that confirms your argument. Arguing about Hillary’s calculations which were continually wrong isn’t going to get you there. 

[nobody 2,934]

People with power abuse the power.  Right now the wokies have power and are abusing it.  Old white men abused it before.  Acting like old white men are the only people that abuse power is pretty naive.  

I'd urge folks to look at it through that lens if you want to your ideas to align with reality.  The idea of course is for leaders not to abuse power, but expecting folks with power not to abuse it is just dumb.

Wokies have a lot of power right now.

[Herbivore 1,222]

3 hours ago, MDC said:

A great service, sure to spark productive conversation.

definitely not gaslighting stupid twitter users

[TimHauck 3,426]

2 hours ago, Dizkneelande said:

Stanford’s incoming class is 22% white. Less than half of that is white men. Admitted white men are likely legacies or their parents bought them an acceptance letter. The rural math genius has no chance at elite universities and the United States through racist university and employment diversity policies is publicly committing suicide.

If you want to survive as a nation you have to look for talent everywhere and cultivate it wherever you find it. The United States in its DEI form is repulsive, and when it collapses it will deserve it. This is one of the many reasons I think the left are filth. 

Asians seem to be doing OK, they're 29% of the incoming class.

[TimHauck 3,426]

2 hours ago, Dizkneelande said:

Stanford’s incoming class is 22% white. Less than half of that is white men. Admitted white men are likely legacies or their parents bought them an acceptance letter. The rural math genius has no chance at elite universities and the United States through racist university and employment diversity policies is publicly committing suicide.

If you want to survive as a nation you have to look for talent everywhere and cultivate it wherever you find it. The United States in its DEI form is repulsive, and when it collapses it will deserve it. This is one of the many reasons I think the left are filth. 

Also nice plagiarism @Dizkneelande.  The GC righties really can't form their own thoughts

 

 

[MDC 8,100]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Also nice plagiarism @Dizkneelande.  The GC righties really can't form their own thoughts

 

 

POW!  

[HellToupee 2,295]

Donald was right about the media

[Fireballer 2,693]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Trump voters, by and large, have a “moral feeling that blacks don’t value traditional American ideals like individualism and working hard to achieve success”. 

The National Museum of AA History literally agrees with these Trump voters.  They agree that these ideals are rooted in whiteness and aren’t embraced by blacks. Their words, not mine.

[The Real timschochet 7,559]

1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

The National Museum of AA History literally agrees with these Trump voters.  They agree that these ideals are rooted in whiteness and aren’t embraced by blacks. Their words, not mine.

I don’t mean be skeptical but…well actually I DO mean to be skeptical. Can you link the exact language please? Because I rather doubt they say what you’re implying they do. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

do not argue with tim.  he is insane.  i throw straight up facts at him that are referenced and he just goes silent.  then you know in a few weeks or months he will return to the same lies that were proven wrong.  he uses logical fallacies in his arguments as well.  he needs a straight jacket before he hurts someone.