seafoam1 2,798 Posted May 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: You like to use the phrase “real men” a lot. Is that because you think about them so much? I support your inner struggle. It's funny how the conservatives have to put out all the warnings about how open borders is bad, but liberals ignore it until our country is flooded with fentanyl and people are dying because of it. Liberals are so stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNewGirl 1,340 Posted May 3, 2023 2 hours ago, GutterBoy said: Didn't see any mention of this. I only thought it was interesting when I got wind of some of the local lefties organizing a protest this weekend to speak out against it. I'm sure the magatards here will not approve, because it's Biden, and all that "Biden wants open borders" BS is proven false, again. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3983439-biden-expected-to-send-1500-troops-to-border-ahead-of-expected-migrant-surge/ Not sure that it's false. This is from a news report on Monday. Quote While the population still declined by .35%, roughly 138,400 people, it marks a major slowdown compared to the in population losses in the COVID-19 pandemic year of 2021-22, according to the state Department of Finance. While births increased and deaths decreased - what they call natural increases in population - it was foreign immigration that actually saw a marked growth. In 2022, those numbers tripled from the previous year - from 31,300 in 2021 to 90,300 in 2022. The Department of Finance says that while foreign immigration to California has nearly returned to pre-pandemic levels, the so-called "natural increases" have not rebounded. Births are still low, and deaths remain elevated. So, Californians are moving out and being replaced by foreign immigrants. Not sure that Biden wants open borders, but it doesn't appear that he's doing anything to slow this down. Just saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,404 Posted May 3, 2023 1 minute ago, seafoam1 said: It's funny how the conservatives have to put out all the warnings about how open borders is bad, but liberals ignore it until our country is flooded with fentanyl and people are dying because of it. Liberals are so stupid. Everbody knows it's a problem. The only thing MAGAturds do is catastrophize it and ignorantly blame it on the left. Never mind that we spend more now on border patrol than we did under Trump. https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/the-cost-of-immigration-enforcement-and-border-security And Biden has proposed spending even more. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/03/09/fact-sheet-president-bidens-budget-strengthens-border-security-enhances-legal-pathways-and-provides-resources-to-enforce-our-immigration-laws/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236 Posted May 3, 2023 38 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: One very important problem with this plan, and it really goes to the heart of the entire matter: if you give illegal immigrants citizenship and pay them minimum wage, you’re only creating demand for more illegal immigrants. Part of the reason they are here is because minimum wage DOESN’T WORK. It creates a black market system for lower wage employees. see no 7, and you dont have to pay min wage, my "illegals" make 20$ an hour, they will always come back to me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nomad99 699 Posted May 3, 2023 What a man of action....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236 Posted May 3, 2023 46 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Some of this is unworkable or impracticable. But in general I could agree with most of it. Let me go one further: illegal immigrants should never be allowed to become full citizens. They should have legal recognition (assuming they abide by our laws) and most of the rights of citizens, but they should never have the right to vote. oh I have an entire deeper proposal but its written old school on paper, I would create 2 lists, those who are on the work to citizenship list (this one) and the normal immigration system. people would be put on the list when they register, but we would take 3 from the normal list to every one from the illegal list bottom line is, its a compromise and a suggestion which no candidate has ever presented, and I can even get far left (you) and far right (TB) to be ok with it. Does it need tweeking? absolutely, but is it a potential solution? Why not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,353 Posted May 3, 2023 18 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: "Open border" is just another one of those MAGAturd buzz phrases like "our cities are burning." They just parrot what they've heard on Newsmax or what came out of Tucker Carlson's mouth. We have a border patrol, walls and checkpoints galore. We spend more than $17 billion a year on it and employ more than 60,000. You can't cross a bridge from Mexico into the United States without going through border patrol. Then there are checkpoints where vehicles get inspected. I've been through them myriad times. I've also crossed bridges into Mexico more than a few times. There is a crossing at Big Bend National Park. It used to be that you'd pay $5 to some Mexicans to take you across the river on a flat boat to Boquillos, a tiny town where one could eat, do some tequila shots and pick up a few trinkets. Today, you have to produce a passport and go through a checkpoint to get over there and back. But it's still easy to set foot on Mexico soil just a few miles downstream at a canyon. It's easy to just walk across the river, and the Mexicans just set up little stands on the U.S. side to sell stuff. It would be easy to stuff a Mexican in the trunk and smuggle him into the country, and I could do so without going through a checkpoint. Our border with Mexico stretches almost 2,000 miles, so it's next to impossible to secure it all. Instead of focusing on the symptoms, I wish we could zero in on the problem, which is why so many of these folks risk their lives and travel a long-ass way on foot to get here. Those who come up from South America have quite the perilous journey. Seems like Mexico ought to be doing a lot more to address the issue instead of just being a doormat. So much wrong in this post. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,798 Posted May 3, 2023 38 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: Everbody knows it's a problem. The only thing MAGAturds do is catastrophize it and ignorantly blame it on the left. Never mind that we spend more now on border patrol than we did under Trump. https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/the-cost-of-immigration-enforcement-and-border-security And Biden has proposed spending even more. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/03/09/fact-sheet-president-bidens-budget-strengthens-border-security-enhances-legal-pathways-and-provides-resources-to-enforce-our-immigration-laws/ The liberals spend more on everything with no positive results ever. That's part of the problem with liberals. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Horseshoe 348 Posted May 3, 2023 4 hours ago, RLLD said: I welcome this as some acknowledgement that the border is not secure and needs attention. Glad he is starting to take some action, as he did with the energy sector, to implement some simple and common sense actions. I wonder, did Mayorkas object to this....did he tell his boss that everything is just fine? RFK Jr's appeal to the general public is exploding. This is why you are seeing this reaction at the border. It's completely indefensible. This move is to try to salvage the "narrative" before the 2024 general election. Make no mistake, the DNC basically killed any future debates because there is no way the core of the establishment Democrats want Biden on a live stage being run over by RFK Jr over these issues and scandals. Marianne Williamson is also a threat to steal away a large share of the Progressive vote. She's not a huge threat, but she could play the spoiler ( i.e. just like Ross Perot didn't win, but he drew enough voters away to impact a general election) Even if Biden holds on in the 2024 cycle, the combination of RFK Jr and Williamson hammering Biden could be enough to tank a bunch of hard blue Congressional races. They might not lose to the Republicans, but they could lose to someone endorsed by AOC and The Squad. It's not like AOC, Sanders and Warren are so ecstatic about being ignored most of the time by the establishment Democrats. What's the story here? Biden allowed Americans to be massacred so Team Blue could get more votes. Now Biden will try to make an about face and attempt to salvage something here because it's going to cost him too many votes. But the story is still the same - Regular every day working class Americans just trying to feed their families are nothing more than pure cannon fodder to the DNC. They'll let our cities burn, our small business be looted, attempt to indoctrinate our children, enable career criminals and destroy our overall economy. And for what? Nothing the Obama/Biden/Harris/Rice regime is doing is designed to actually help the basic material needs of every day people. They don't see us as real people. They see us as nothing better than cattle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,687 Posted May 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said: "Open border" is just another one of those MAGAturd buzz phrases like "our cities are burning." They just parrot what they've heard on Newsmax or what came out of Tucker Carlson's mouth. We have a border patrol, walls and checkpoints galore. We spend more than $17 billion a year on it and employ more than 60,000. You can't cross a bridge from Mexico into the United States without going through border patrol. Then there are checkpoints where vehicles get inspected. I've been through them myriad times. I've also crossed bridges into Mexico more than a few times. There is a crossing at Big Bend National Park. It used to be that you'd pay $5 to some Mexicans to take you across the river on a flat boat to Boquillos, a tiny town where one could eat, do some tequila shots and pick up a few trinkets. Today, you have to produce a passport and go through a checkpoint to get over there and back. But it's still easy to set foot on Mexico soil just a few miles downstream at a canyon. It's easy to just walk across the river, and the Mexicans just set up little stands on the U.S. side to sell stuff. It would be easy to stuff a Mexican in the trunk and smuggle him into the country, and I could do so without going through a checkpoint. Our border with Mexico stretches almost 2,000 miles, so it's next to impossible to secure it all. Instead of focusing on the symptoms, I wish we could zero in on the problem, which is why so many of these folks risk their lives and travel a long-ass way on foot to get here. Those who come up from South America have quite the perilous journey. Seem like Mexico ought to be doing a lot more to address the issue instead of just being a doormat. I guess you never heard of the “Remain in Mexico” policy implemented by the Trump Administration and canceled by the Biden administration Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Horseshoe 348 Posted May 3, 2023 5 hours ago, GutterBoy said: .....here will not approve, because it's Biden, and all that "Biden wants open borders" BS is proven false, again. Biden wants to win the 2024 general election. His "handlers" figures if there are some changes now, then there can be some media narrative, pushed by the activist complicit left leaning radical MSM that "Sleepy Joe" is actually doing something about his own self inflicted Border Crisis. If Marianne Williamson and RFK Jr weren't showing real teeth in the polling, then likely none of this would be happening now. The Biden Administration wants to believe that the majority of people will forget. The lock downs, the looting and rioting in 2020, the pandemic response, the vaccine mandates, punishing people with good credit ratings, enabling criminals via "bail reform" and Defunding The Police, the disaster in Afghanistan, the culture war against women, the attempts to indoctrinate children, crashing our economy, making America vulnerable to our foreign threats like the CCP, and the list goes on and on and on. But people aren't going to forget. The Biden Administration declared an open relentless culture war against working class Americans and their children. Do you actually believe the majority of people are going to forget that? Gaslight people all you want. But all you are doing is showing everyone here that you would celebrate the death of America. If you got your way, if the radical left and the establishment Democrats got their wish and fantasy and wiped out all Conservatives and Republicans in the country, do you think they would spare you and your family too? Make no mistake for the moderates, independents and undecideds, if the Republicans get wiped out completely, then some of you will become the "new Right Wing" eventually. Do you think a "cancel culture" is going to stop hunting down people just because all the Republicans got purified? Your name is on the list too. Your family as well. Your children. It's just written a little further down. Let's see if you dance then. Dance on the graves of everyone and everything you've ever loved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Horseshoe 348 Posted May 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said: "Open border" is just another one of those MAGAturd buzz phrases like "our cities are burning." The DNC is attempting to openly rig the primaries. But to do so will incite the entire Progressive base. There are still a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters angry about the 2016 and 2020 rigging against him. Here's the other problem, Biden got a lot of "White Evangelical Voters" in the 2020 cycle, however there is a strong contingent of Pro Life Democrats in the country. Some rough estimates show it's about 15-20 million strong. A large share of them might be single issue voters. That's a massive loss when you add in the large cross section of suburban women voters, Asian voters, Latino voters and the military vote that will abandon Biden. Biden sending troops to the southern border is not about facing off against criticism from the GOP. Because he's faced that before about the border and didn't care at all, just left it as a swinging open gate. But Biden's "handlers" finally did something when his 2024 election chances took a huge hit by being flanked within his own Party apparatus. 21 percent. And we are still in the middle of 2023 no less. TWENTY ONE PERCENT. And that's just for RFK Jr. Willamson is a threat to bleed off 8 percent of Blue voters on her own. A year from now, what will it look like? It's close to impossible to win a two front war. Biden/Harris will have to face off against the entire GOP, De Santis, Haley and Trump on one side, then the Progressives, Williamson and RFK Jr on the other side. Here's a "buzz phrase" for you - TWENTY ONE PERCENT. And, again, here in the middle of 2023 no less. It's not like Biden is going to magically get more popular in a year's time. Biden's handlers are sending in the troops but it's too little and too late. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Horseshoe 348 Posted May 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said: They just parrot what they've heard on Newsmax or what came out of Tucker Carlson's mouth. People are jumping ship on Biden. Case in point - Charlamagne da God. Why are you beefing on Tucker Carlson and NewsMax? Biden and Harris are desperate enough to rely on the TikTok brigade now. The problem? In 2020, the Obama/Biden/Harris/Rice regime teased student loan forgiveness, 15 dollar nation wide minimum wage and sweeping policy to improve the climate change issue. Did they deliver? If you make promises to voters, and don't keep them, why should they keep voting for you in 2024? Sending troops to the border this late in the game doesn't move the needle for Biden. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,391 Posted May 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Blue Horseshoe said: People are jumping ship on Biden. Case in point - Charlamagne da God. Why are you beefing on Tucker Carlson and NewsMax? Biden and Harris are desperate enough to rely on the TikTok brigade now. The problem? In 2020, the Obama/Biden/Harris/Rice regime teased student loan forgiveness, 15 dollar nation wide minimum wage and sweeping policy to improve the climate change issue. Sending troops to the border this late in the game doesn't move the needle for Biden. Almost everything you’ve been posting is total nonsense. RFK Jr is a crackpot and is not a serious challenge to Biden. There is no serious challenge to Biden. The border represents a problem for Biden, so does inflation. But he’s still going to win big. You know why? 1. Trump 2. abortion 3. guns Democrats are going to have a wave next election the likes of none of us have seen before, and it’s all because of the 3 items I just listed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNewGirl 1,340 Posted May 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said: Everbody knows it's a problem. The only thing MAGAturds do is catastrophize it and ignorantly blame it on the left. Never mind that we spend more now on border patrol than we did under Trump. https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/the-cost-of-immigration-enforcement-and-border-security And Biden has proposed spending even more. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/03/09/fact-sheet-president-bidens-budget-strengthens-border-security-enhances-legal-pathways-and-provides-resources-to-enforce-our-immigration-laws/ Maybe we have to spend more now because more people are trying to squeeze their way in? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,391 Posted May 3, 2023 Just now, TheNewGirl said: Maybe we have to spend more now because more people are trying to squeeze their way in? Of course they are. And we desperately need to address the reason for this which we’re not doing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,912 Posted May 3, 2023 If the border isn’t open then how do the criminals that have been deported keep getting back in? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Horseshoe 348 Posted May 3, 2023 4 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said: Instead of focusing on the symptoms, I wish we could zero in on the problem.... Biden Deploys 1,500 Troops At Border To Help Register New Voters May 3, 2023 BabylonBee.com / SATIRE EL PASO, TX — Amid a mounting surge of illegal immigration, the Biden Administration is sending 1,500 National Guard troops to the border to help them register to vote. "Yes, the people who tell me what to do all the time told me this is needed," said Biden to an ice cream cone. "And If I don't do what they tell me I don't get any snacks! No, that's no joke! Seriously, someone help me! Where am I?" Election experts say the military operation will be instrumental in facilitating the continued invasion of the U.S. by Biden voters ahead of the 2024 election. "Biden really could use this boost from the millions and millions of people just wandering into the country," said DNC Chair Jaime Harrison. "These immigrant lives are totally wasted if we can't leverage their extreme numbers into a Democrat win." Sources say troops are receiving cutting-edge training on detaining migrants, leading them to a voter registration table, and saying: "Firma este documento, por favor." Military sources say they hope to have 750,000 new Democrat voters by the end of the month. At publishing time, the ones who refused to register had been placed in cages. https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-deploys-1500-troops-at-border-to-help-register-new-voters 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,424 Posted May 4, 2023 11 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: Almost everything you’ve been posting is total nonsense. RFK Jr is a crackpot and is not a serious challenge to Biden. There is no serious challenge to Biden. The border represents a problem for Biden, so does inflation. But he’s still going to win big. You know why? 1. Trump 2. abortion 3. guns Democrats are going to have a wave next election the likes of none of us have seen before, and it’s all because of the 3 items I just listed. Shocking...Tim is perfectly in lockstep with the official government media narrative... - RFK jr. Is a crackpot! - Campaign on fear promoting Trump derangement syndrome. Meanwhile, despite the widespread smear job, RFK jr. surges to 19 percent. Well there is always the assassination route. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,896 Posted May 4, 2023 20 hours ago, GutterBoy said: sure the magatards here will not approve, because it's Biden, and all that "Biden wants open borders" BS is proven false, again. You dumb ass, he caused the problem.with his open border policy!!!!!! No we're F'd. Trump was racist, remember??? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,896 Posted May 4, 2023 BIDEN DID THIS!!!! NOW GUTTERBOY WANTS TO BLOW HIM BECAUSE HE'S FORCED TO SEND TROOPS?? CLEAR DEMOCRATIC THINKING. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites