Allen Texas shooting

[DonS 3,291]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

They’ve never had the ability to do it because of the Senate filibuster. There have always been enough Republicans in the Senate to prevent this from coming to the floor. So the Democrats have never had “complete control” of Congress, even when they had slight majorities. 

Thanks for the breakdown 

So they never even tried?  Not trying for any kind of "gotcha" question. I simply can't recall.

 

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

It’s really important for people to understand that, other than certain spending and taxation issues that can be solved by remediation, a single party having control of all 3 branches doesn’t mean they can do what they want- because of the Senate filibuster. To break that filibuster you need 60 Senators and that’s a hard number to reach without bipartisanship. It hasn’t happened in recent times. 

And this is not a bad system, in theory, because bipartisanship is a good thing. But currently the two parties are so fundamentally opposed to each other that significant legislation, like for instance closing the private sales loophole, becomes impossible. (It also makes raising the debt ceiling very difficult, which is why so many people are so worried about that.) 

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

Just now, DonS said:

Thanks for the breakdown 

So they never even tried?  Not trying for any kind of "gotcha" question. I simply can't recall.

 

I don’t recall if they tried this time around. I know that Obama tried after the Connecticut elementary school shooting but the filibuster stopped it then. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

12 minutes ago, squistion said:

They posted photos of Josef Mengele as their hero too? I must have missed that.

And without looking up the numbers I would guess there have been more far right mass shooters than there has been trans shooters. 

trans = left wing.  HTH.  And i disagree.  left wing violence is overwhelmingly the problem.  And it's not even close.

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

trans = left wing.  HTH.  And i disagree.  left wing violence is overwhelmingly the problem.  And it's not even close.

Can you back this statement up with any kind of statistical evidence? 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

trans = left wing.  HTH.  And i disagree.  left wing violence is overwhelmingly the problem.  And it's not even close.

 

On 5/7/2023 at 8:09 AM, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I'll take that bet.  If it turns out that he was a legal gun owner. I'll stop posting for a month.

 

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The AR-15 rifle used in the Texas mall shooting was among multiple weapons that were legally purchased by gunman Mauricio Garcia, according to a report.

 

Eternal Welcher is back

[DonS 3,291]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t recall if they tried this time around. I know that Obama tried after the Connecticut elementary school shooting but the filibuster stopped it then. 

One problem with anything Congress tries is that it rarely seems to be a single yes/no type deal.  The primary goal of legislation might be do "thing A" but then politicians toss in their pet projects or other unrelated crap into a bill.  When folks object to "things X, Y, and Z" the bill gets shot down and opposition screams that the other side is against "thing A". 

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

trans = left wing.  HTH.  And i disagree.  left wing violence is overwhelmingly the problem.  And it's not even close.

So after I asked you to provide evidence I looked it up myself: 

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2122593119

There are several studies of left wing violence vs right wing violence online- this is one of them. From the summary it appears that your assumption is actually the complete opposite of the truth: right wing violence, at least in the United States, is overwhelmingly the problem as compared to left wing violence. (In the world, Islamic violence, which is neither left or right wing, continues to be the worst of all.) 

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

1 minute ago, DonS said:

One problem with anything Congress tries is that it rarely seems to be a single yes/no type deal.  The primary goal of legislation might be do "thing A" but then politicians toss in their pet projects or other unrelated crap into a bill.  When folks object to "things X, Y, and Z" the bill gets shot down and opposition screams that the other side is against "thing A". 

This is true. And yes, every time there is a gun control bill proposed, there is a wide number of items included, and it’s certainly reasonable for someone to support some of the items but strongly oppose others and therefore oppose the entire bill. 

But in the case of the private sales loophole, I have seen enough Republican politicians on TV oppose it to know that they would do so even if it was the only item offered. The argument they typically make is that the bad guys will just get their guns through illegal means anyhow. But I believe the real reason is that such a law would hurt gun show attendance. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,910]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

What did the FBI release?

Oh it’s just the FBI now. Ok. You win dipshit. As if the FBI isn’t involved. But hey, they didn’t release info about what was recovered via the warrant. It’s almost as you find comfort in your willful ignorance.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You win 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

54 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Can you back this statement up with any kind of statistical evidence? 

Which, is weird, because you NEVER asked Squiz to do the same thing.  I wonder why?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

On 5/7/2023 at 1:50 PM, cyclone24 said:

Lol ive been here since what 2005? Not one alias. 

Fair bet. But ill give you an out…he was a security guard…guessing he has legal guns

 

On 5/7/2023 at 1:59 PM, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I'll take it since you've already had pre-info on him before issuing the challenge.  Thanks for the out!

 

59 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Eternal Welcher is back

You either can't read or are just a plain idiot.  Which is it? 

You should quit while you're behind.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

So after I asked you to provide evidence I looked it up myself: 

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2122593119

There are several studies of left wing violence vs right wing violence online- this is one of them. From the summary it appears that your assumption is actually the complete opposite of the truth: right wing violence, at least in the United States, is overwhelmingly the problem as compared to left wing violence. (In the world, Islamic violence, which is neither left or right wing, continues to be the worst of all.) 

Does that include the last couple of trannies that shot people up?  Or every incident the BLM/Antifa violence and riots from the last 2-4 years?   Or is it only cherry-picked years to get the outcome they wanted?

Thoughts?

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

4 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Does that include the last couple of trannies that shot people up?  Or every incident the BLM/Antifa violence and riots from the last 2-4 years?   Or is it only cherry-picked years to get the outcome they wanted?

Thoughts?

Sure. My thoughts are I’m not impressed by the use of anecdotes as opposed to real statistics. It confirms my assumption that you’re basing your opinion on what you want to believe rather than what is true. And calling the study cherry picked is pretty weak unless you show actual evidence of it. 

The reason that I didn’t challenge @squistion earlier is that he admitted his theory was only a guess, whereas you claimed yours was “overwhelmingly” true- that was the exact word you used. Even so I googled this question not knowing what I would find, and if it had turned out that you were correct about left wing violence being far worse I would have posted that as well. But it didn’t turn out to be true. Why not just admit it? 
 

 

[Engorgeous George 2,121]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sure. My thoughts are I’m not impressed by the use of anecdotes as opposed to real statistics. It confirms my assumption that you’re basing your opinion on what you want to believe rather than what is true. And calling the study cherry picked is pretty weak unless you show actual evidence of it. 

The reason that I didn’t challenge @squistion earlier is that he admitted his theory was only a guess, whereas you claimed yours was “overwhelmingly” true- that was the exact word you used. Even so I googled this question not knowing what I would find, and if it had turned out that you were correct about left wing violence being far worse I would have posted that as well. But it didn’t turn out to be true. Why not just admit it? 
 

 

Me, I always presumed "right-wing violence" if such a thing can really be ascertained as the violent often have confused and conflated ideologies is higher than" left-wing violence" if one is refering to deaths.  If one defines violence broader, to include arson, beatings, and temporary detainments of folks i prsumed left-wing violence to be worse.  i never tried to look up the statistics as to me trying to parse out the distinction seems to anger both sides and justify each side's extreme members in more violence. 

 

I presume but do not know that Timothy McVey is still the record holder for right wing violence.  On the left i don't know though burning of several blocks of Minneapolis stands notably in my mind.

 

My question is where do we rank the government for Waco, is that left or right-wing, or is it its own category?

 

Me, I am not a fan of the violence of others though at my core I am a violent creature, barely restrained from my nature by socialization and the guidance and needs of my family.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

30 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

 

 

You either can't read or are just a plain idiot.  Which is it? 

You should quit while you're behind.

Well it was nice of Cyclone to give you the out, wish he didn't

[BudBro 173]

Should we be concerned about 14,000 not-see, white supremers crossing the border daily?  I haven't heard any angst from the media or lawmakers since this shooting.

[dogcows 1,030]

The neo-Nazi who bought guns legally due to lax Texas laws killed many, including these 2 innocent kids.

There is no limit on how many children the NRA and GOP will sacrifice at the altar of gun worship.

 

[5-Points 3,385]

8 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

I haven't read anything about prohibited from owning firearms.  He owned a lot, and displayed them proudly, and worked as a security guard.

https://nypost.com/2023/05/08/texas-mall-shooter-appeared-to-time-attack-for-max-carnage/

If he was adjudicated mentally defective, he is prohibited from purchasing firearms. 

I would think that in order to discharge someone from the military for being a mental case, he would've had to have been adjudicated as such. 

[5-Points 3,385]

29 minutes ago, dogcows said:

The neo-Nazi who bought guns legally due to lax Texas laws killed many, including these 2 innocent kids.

There is no limit on how many children the NRA and GOP will sacrifice at the altar of gun worship.

 

True, I value my rights more than I value your life. And no amount of retarded, leftist, psychobabble is going to change that. 

HTH

[League Champion 1,896]

 

[dogcows 1,030]

47 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

True, I value my rights more than I value your life. And no amount of retarded, leftist, psychobabble is going to change that. 

HTH

The right to life is the first right mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

Ok play time is over. Get back in the deplorable bucket, clutching your guns.

[5-Points 3,385]

3 minutes ago, dogcows said:

The right to life is the first right mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

Ok play time is over. Get back in the deplorable bucket, clutching your guns.

It's your life, it's up to you to protect it. I have zero responsibility for you or your life. Now quit trying to fock with my liberty. 

[thegeneral 2,883]

On 5/7/2023 at 7:58 PM, Mr Fantasy said:

Truth seekers on Twitter 

How is the research coming? Looks like this guy has some Nazi tattoos. Any more info on his gang related stuff?

[League Champion 1,896]

8 minutes ago, dogcows said:

The right to life is the first right mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

Ok play time is over. Get back in the deplorable bucket, clutching your guns.

 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 hour ago, 5-Points said:

If he was adjudicated mentally defective, he is prohibited from purchasing firearms. 

I would think that in order to discharge someone from the military for being a mental case, he would've had to have been adjudicated as such. 

Well you're dead focking wrong.

[League Champion 1,896]

5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Well you're dead focking wrong.

 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

6 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Does that include the last couple of trannies that shot people up?  Or every incident the BLM/Antifa violence and riots from the last 2-4 years?   Or is it only cherry-picked years to get the outcome they wanted?

Thoughts?

Wow, you made a bet that you'd leave for a month if it turned out the gun was legally owned, and you're still here?

What a welching P.O.S. you are. 

[League Champion 1,896]

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

5 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Well it was nice of Cyclone to give you the out, wish he didn't

 

4 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Wow, you made a bet that you'd leave for a month if it turned out the gun was legally owned, and you're still here?

What a welching P.O.S. you are. 

You and GutterPedo are spending so much time at the the DNC Glory Hole that you're aren't paying attention.   

GutterPedo is an idiot, but you're making him look like a genius.  You should probably head over to the Weenie Hut Jr. forums down the road - this forum is too advanced for both of you.

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

 

You and GutterPedo are spending so much time at the the DNC Glory Hole that you're aren't paying attention.   

GutterPedo is an idiot, but you're make him look like a genius.  You should probably head over to the Weenie Hut Jr. forums down the road - this forum is too advanced for you.

EternalShinyWelcher.

ESW.

What a P.O.S. Trannies are better than a welcher.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

Just now, Pimpadeaux said:

EternalShinyWelcher.

ESW.

What a P.O.S. Trannies are better than a welcher.

Then stop welching.  It's as simple as that.

You should head back to the Glory Hole for your DNC j#zz dinner.   

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Then stop welching.  It's as simple as that.

You should head back to the Glory Hole for your DNC j#zz dinner.   

You said you'd leave for a month if the shooter legally owned the gun, and you're still here.

What a focking loser.

ESW.

[5-Points 3,385]

17 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Well you're dead focking wrong.

Well who said he was a mental case and kicked him out of the military? 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said:

You said you'd leave for a month if the shooter legally owned the gun, and you're still here.

What a focking loser.

ESW.

Huh?  I did?

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Huh?  I did?

Gutter quoted you. Did you not see that?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

Just now, Pimpadeaux said:

Gutter quoted you. Did you not see that?

More importantly, what did YOU not see?  Because you're about to be put down like a lame mule.  You sure you want to go on this adventure with me?

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

On 5/7/2023 at 7:09 AM, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I'll take that bet.  If it turns out that he was a legal gun owner. I'll stop posting for a month. If he was not a legal gun owner then you stop posting for a month.  That includes all of your aliases that you have here too like dogcows, guttertrash and pimpadeux.

Filthy welching loser. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

On 5/7/2023 at 1:50 PM, cyclone24 said:

Lol ive been here since what 2005? Not one alias. 
 

Fair bet. But ill give you an out…he was a security guard…guessing he has legal guns

 

On 5/7/2023 at 1:59 PM, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I'll take it since you've already had pre-info on him before issuing the challenge.  Thanks for the out!

 

Just now, Pimpadeaux said:

Filthy welching loser. 

What was that again?    

You might want to think twice about challenging me next time - showing how much of a fool you are is so easy, even a caveman can do it.   You should probably quit while GutterPedo is in your behind.