GutterBoy Alleges That: "There Is No Logic Coming From Jordan Peterson" (Let's Explore That)

[seafoam1 2,799]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Maybe a select few extremists, but the majority of people are not pushing for people to be transgender, come on.

no. you are wrong.

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Maybe a select few extremists, but the majority of people are not pushing for people to be transgender, come on.

A select few extremists?  Where the fock have you been... China?  Do you know what the "T" means in LGBTQ.....?  The month of June, along with the homosexual community, the entire Democrat base is supporting, showing "Pride", and encouraging the "T"ransgender community.  It's also supported in academia at every level, including sports.

State governments, including school boards (elected officials), as well as medical institutions want to specifically protect trans students and even go as far as providing PHYISICAL medical "treatment", without the parents not just being uninformed, but also denying them intervention.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

13 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

A select few extremists?  Where the fock have you been... China?  Do you know what the "T" means in LGBTQ.....?  The month of June, along with the homosexual community, the entire Democrat base is supporting, showing "Pride", and encouraging the "T"ransgender community.  It's also supported in academia at every level, including sports.

State governments, including school boards (elected officials), as well as medical institutions want to specifically protect trans students and even go as far as providing PHYISICAL medical "treatment", without the parents not just being uninformed, but also denying them intervention.

Alright, welcome back.  I think you might have had a brief moment of clarity, but that's gone now.

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Alright, welcome back.  I think you might have had a brief moment of clarity, but that's gone now.

You have a weird way of saying, "Yeah, you're right".

[Reality 3,092]

Grooming doesn't work, also, results of grooming.

 

[listen2me 23 1,825]

Pride stuff is starting to resemble a cult.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

8 minutes ago, Reality said:

Grooming doesn't work, also, results of grooming.

 

Yeah, it’s not grooming. Not at all. 

[RogerDodger 797]

16 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

It doesn't matter if they are mentally ill or not.  Lots of us suffer from mental illnesses like anxiety or depression and everyone deserves respect and treatment.

This post explains a lot. 

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

Not exactly.  You see liberals establish what they think, and then if you even question it then you are labelled as "phobic" or evil.....that is unique, and its ability to divide us should be acknowledged for its toxicity.  What you are describing is the questioning and concerns raised by a side and then pretending " they are doing it. Nope. Not buying that....try something else. 

Both conservatives and liberals create absolutes in positions and anything that isn't exactly that in agreement is viewed derisively and everything. It's just being willfully blind to say it doesn't exist.

I think all that behavior is idiotic and toxic and I will call it all out. 

[RogerDodger 797]

14 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Nobody can be “groomed” into it or talked into it.

Another example of why nobody should take you seriously.

Manson Family

Heaven's Gate

Aum Shinrikyo

Branch Davidians

Children of God

The People's Temple

Islam

Christians

Some people can be groomed to do anything.  Children are way more susceptible than adults, well non-liberal adults anyway.  

 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

6 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

This post explains a lot. 

As does your reply.

[RogerDodger 797]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

As does your reply.

We all just assumed you had mental problems.  Now we know.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

1 minute ago, RogerDodger said:

We all just assumed you had mental problems.  Now we know.

He’s a shut in, basically.  

[RogerDodger 797]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He’s a shut in, basically.  

Mentally ill people relate to each other. Misery loves company.  It all makes sense.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

2 of the most toxic people on the board mocking those that suffer from mental illness.  Real shocker.

True garbage humans.

[RLLD 4,143]

10 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Both conservatives and liberals create absolutes in positions and anything that isn't exactly that in agreement is viewed derisively and everything. It's just being willfully blind to say it doesn't exist.

I think all that behavior is idiotic and toxic and I will call it all out. 

That is not a fair statement.  While absolutes exist everywhere, the usage of assigning intent to people solely for questioning, or raising concerns, is a uniquely liberal manueaver.

It is not helpful.  Once you declare your ideological opponents to be evil, you remove conversation and debate..... 

The move is pointedly to silence others.  That is unique to liberals. 

[dogcows 1,030]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

That is not a fair statement.  While absolutes exist everywhere, the usage of assigning intent to people solely for questioning, or raising concerns, is a uniquely liberal manueaver.

It is not helpful.  Once you declare your ideological opponents to be evil, you remove conversation and debate..... 

The move is pointedly to silence others.  That is unique to liberals. 

It’s all the liberals’ fault.

[RogerDodger 797]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

2 of the most toxic people on the board mocking those that suffer from mental illness.  Real shocker.

True garbage humans.

At the very least you shouldn't be allowed to breed and continuing to spread those genes in the pool.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Just now, RogerDodger said:

At the very least you shouldn't be allowed to breed and continuing to spread those genes in the pool.  

Novel idea, Adolph.

[seafoam1 2,799]

1 minute ago, RogerDodger said:

At the very least you shouldn't be allowed to breed and continuing to spread those genes in the pool.  

Yep. No blacks. Agreed.

[TheNewGirl 1,342]

15 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

What I just wrote is why making laws prohibiting teenagers from receiving medical help to change genders is actually cruel and inhumane. These youths are suffering from gender dysphoria, and you are preventing them from being cured. That is why so many of them commit suicide. 
 

Being born into the wrong gender is not a choice. Nobody can be “groomed” into it or talked into it. It’s something that a tiny percentage of human beings have suffered from for our entire existence as a species. Now, finally, we have the means to cure it and some of you are intent on preventing this, based solely on your fears and prejudices. And that is a crime. 

Surgery and medication "cures" gender dysphoria? 

As far as I've read, there is no "cure." Only treatments that help the individual; medications, surgeries, etc. However, there is no specific "cure."  

[RLLD 4,143]

8 minutes ago, dogcows said:

It’s all the liberals’ fault.

Right, standard liberal tactic to make it seem less important.  It's the "oh, you are making a big deal out of nothing" tactic.......

It was liberals that introduced this tactic to simply assign the label of evil to their opponents rather than debate the point. Its lazy.  But then again, when you designate others as evil, even debating them is not allowed......

[dogcows 1,030]

Just now, RLLD said:

Right, standard liberal tactic to make it seem less important.  It's the "oh, you are making a big deal out of nothing" tactic.......

It was liberals that introduced this tactic to simply assign the label of evil to their opponents rather than debate the point. Its lazy.  But then again, when you designate others as evil, even debating them is not allowed......

I’m not the one who blames everything on the liberals in every thread. You don’t seem to realize that doing so makes your arguments laughable. Save it for when the “liberals” actually are at fault and maybe you’ll be worth debating.

[RLLD 4,143]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

I’m not the one who blames everything on the liberals in every thread. You don’t seem to realize that doing so makes your arguments laughable. Save it for when the “liberals” actually are at fault and maybe you’ll be worth debating.

No, and I never suggested you were.  My conversation, with someone else, was pointedly about this topic. Then you decide to swing in the middle and pretend you were involved, which you were not.  Liberals are the current source of our societal issue from crime, to economy to social unrest. I will continue to point this out, because it is true.  Should it arise that liberals stop hurting this nation and its people, then i will relent. 

I am always ready for debate, and if a liberal were to suddenly abandon the character assassination ploy that might happen. 

There is a sickness in liberal circles, this has already been established. 

[RogerDodger 797]

14 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Novel idea, Adolph.

Darwin

[seafoam1 2,799]

17 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Novel idea, Adolph.

Less violent crimes? I'm all in.

[The Real timschochet 6,406]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

 

Also, the pomposity of tim who has been repeatedly caught touting "studies" to prove his points that when read do the exact opposite is something worthy of tweeking.

My pomposity pales compared to you stubbornness: 

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/21963-transgender-ensuring-mental-health

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria
 

https://www.gob.mx/salud/prensa/a-study-made-in-mexico-proves-that-the-transgender-is-a-condition-not-a-mental-disease
 

I could go on and on and on. I got these from the first page of googling: “is transgender a mental illness?” There is page after page of this stuff, all from medical experts, all saying no. The only ones who say yes these days are those with a conservative political agenda, such as yourself. Just as your kind has done with climate change and Covid 19, you are literally opposing the scientific truths of our age because it doesn’t fit your preconceived views. 

But it’s OK. We will progress as a society despite your resistance. Eventually you will come to realize your errors and change your mind, though I doubt you’ll ever acknowledge it. You’ll simply move on to furiously resisting the next inevitable change. 

 

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

25 minutes ago, RLLD said:

That is not a fair statement.  While absolutes exist everywhere, the usage of assigning intent to people solely for questioning, or raising concerns, is a uniquely liberal manueaver.

It is not helpful.  Once you declare your ideological opponents to be evil, you remove conversation and debate..... 

The move is pointedly to silence others.  That is unique to liberals. 

I get why you think that. I think you are choosing to downplay one side's culpability in this stuff. 

[The Real timschochet 6,406]

34 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Another example of why nobody should take you seriously.

Manson Family

Heaven's Gate

Aum Shinrikyo

Branch Davidians

Children of God

The People's Temple

Islam

Christians

Some people can be groomed to do anything.  Children are way more susceptible than adults, well non-liberal adults anyway.  

 

Which one of those cults you listed convinced its members to have gender affirming care? You’re a sick little pup for making such a comparison. But I already knew that I guess. 

[The Real timschochet 6,406]

15 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Right, standard liberal tactic to make it seem less important.  It's the "oh, you are making a big deal out of nothing" tactic.......

It was liberals that introduced this tactic to simply assign the label of evil to their opponents rather than debate the point. Its lazy.  But then again, when you designate others as evil, even debating them is not allowed......

You obstinately refuse to acknowledge that conservatives are as guilty of this as liberals if not more so. How can you ignore this? 

[RLLD 4,143]

5 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I get why you think that. I think you are choosing to downplay one side's culpability in this stuff. 

Perhaps. I find that I am focusing on what is more impactful and problematic. I am not suggesting that human nature is not present every where. But when I look across the liberal spectrum I see character assassination and the designation of opponents as "evil" is more prevalent, allowed and often encouraged.  Again, we have liberals calling this problem out as well.

The main problem I have with it is the way people are labeled.  If we label someone as evil, it removes too much from the table. And people are not automatically evil because they disagree. 

[RLLD 4,143]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You obstinately refuse to acknowledge that conservatives are as guilty of this as liberals if not more so. How can you ignore this? 

I maintain that it is indeed human nature, and everywhere I surmise.  But it is THE weapon for liberals, it distinguishes them, so much so that even some liberals have noted it with dismay.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,923]

Real Tim would agree with the anorexic girl that she’s fat.  

[RogerDodger 797]

12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Which one of those cults you listed convinced its members to have gender affirming care? You’re a sick little pup for making such a comparison. But I already knew that I guess. 

Mass Suicide and Murder > Gender Affirming Care, by a little bit.  Follow the logic.  You said no one could be groomed or talked into the lesser.   

[TheNewGirl 1,342]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Which one of those cults you listed convinced its members to have gender affirming care? You’re a sick little pup for making such a comparison. But I already knew that I guess. 

The argument was about grooming, not about gender affirming care. 

People can be groomed into beliefs and cults that have nothing to do with sexuality, abuse, gender, etc. 

 

[RogerDodger 797]

Hey guys, it doesn't matter that people have been groomed into killing themselves, each other and chopping off heads.  That doesn't mean they can be groomed into chopping off genitals.  Totally two different things!

Oh wait, Shia Islam khatna.  Damn, it is the same thing.  

[The Real timschochet 6,406]

32 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

The argument was about grooming, not about gender affirming care. 

People can be groomed into beliefs and cults that have nothing to do with sexuality, abuse, gender, etc. 

 

I don’t believe people can be groomed into going to a medical doctor to seek a sex change operation. I don’t deny grooming but don’t accept this false application of the term. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t believe people can be groomed into going to a medical doctor to seek a sex change operation. I don’t deny grooming but don’t accept this false application of the term. 

It might be possible, like if you can groom someone to murder themselves, then you can probably groom them to cut their d off.

Still, it's an insane leap of judgement.  Because there are not groups of people that are trying to get kids to cut their d's off.  It's just stupid.  Probably more cult leaders than trans activists that want to cut their d's off.  We're not outlawing religion.

Basically if you wanna keep your kid safe, be a good parent.

[TheNewGirl 1,342]

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t believe people can be groomed into going to a medical doctor to seek a sex change operation. I don’t deny grooming but don’t accept this false application of the term. 

I believe people, especially children/teens can be groomed into situations. Do I think that grooming transgenders/binary children/teens is happening at the level that some believe it is? No. I don't think it's being falsely applied; just not applied at the extent that others think it is. 

I don't think it belongs in schools, and I don't think that we should be passing laws that state if the child wants to transition they can be removed from their parents if needed. I also don't think gender affirming care should be paid by insurance companies, especially when some birth control isn't for biological females 

[jerryskids 6,558]

16 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

There’s some confusion here and many people getting caught in it, some I suspect deliberately. 
 

Gender dysphoria is the condition that people have PRIOR to changing genders. The reason it’s a disorder is because these folks are not the right gender and they suffer from that fact. Once they have changed genders they no longer suffer from gender dysphoria. 

Many people believe, falsely, that anyone who has completed a sex change, suffers from a mental disorder. When challenged, they then go to the “gender dysphoria” card like you just did. But it’s a flawed argument. 

 

16 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

What I just wrote is why making laws prohibiting teenagers from receiving medical help to change genders is actually cruel and inhumane. These youths are suffering from gender dysphoria, and you are preventing them from being cured. That is why so many of them commit suicide. 
 

Being born into the wrong gender is not a choice. Nobody can be “groomed” into it or talked into it. It’s something that a tiny percentage of human beings have suffered from for our entire existence as a species. Now, finally, we have the means to cure it and some of you are intent on preventing this, based solely on your fears and prejudices. And that is a crime. 

I see you've listed the APA anyway.  You do you, I guess.  

16 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Where are you stats on the suicide rates vs the general population for kids? And in those stats, is gender dysphoria the only affliction they have? Are they also bi-polar? Drug use? Depressed for other reasons? Seems like you’re taking a narrative that hasn’t been thoroughly flushed out and running with it. 

There is a significant overlap of personality disorders in trans folks including borderline, bipolar, and narcissistic.  It's easy enough for folks to google each of these if they want.