Oklahoma board approves nation's first state-funded Catholic school

[RLLD 4,283]

An Oklahoma school board on Monday approved what would be the nation's first taxpayer-funded religious school despite concerns over the decision’s constitutionality from state officials and advocacy groups.

 

I am not sure how I feel about this one. On the one hand I would not be entirely supportive of taxyer-sourced religious schools.  One could assert we already have this with the religion of liberlism in schools of course.

I think the impetus overlooks something as well. The intent seems to be to offer the Catholic school experience, which appears to be more effective in teaching and student success. But Catholic schools are costly and people who send their kids to these schools are not dirtbags, therefore their kids are not dirtbags.  They learn, you cannot simply replicate this.

Now they seem to be approaching this as a "school choice" thing, which is fine I prefer that.  If you are not a dirbag POS kid you should enjoy some advantages.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,585]

all public schools are filled with religion, a couple years ago, I would not be ok with this, but since every public school is flying the symbol of God's covenant, then so be it

Even around the throne of God, there is pictured a majestic rainbow—used to communicate the glory of God (Rev. 4:3). One day, the rainbow will no longer be misused by sinners to boast in their sin. The rainbow will be reserved for the glory of God alone when Christ returns and makes all things new.Jun 27, 2017

I am an atheist

 

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1 minute ago, RLLD said:

One could assert we already have this with the religion of liberlism in schools of course...

the Catholic school experience, which appears to be more effective in teaching and student success..

Catholic schools are costly and people who send their kids to these schools are not dirtbags...

their kids are not dirtbags.. 

They learn, you cannot simply replicate this...

high comedy up in here

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

Based

[RLLD 4,283]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

high comedy up in here

It might seem like comedy, but if we stop avoiding the truth solutions become possible.  

[GutterBoy 2,900]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It might seem like comedy, but if we stop avoiding the truth solutions become possible.  

you were serious?  In that case

One could assert we already have this with the religion of liberlism in schools of course... - Liberalism is not a religion, no more than conservatism.

the Catholic school experience, which appears to be more effective in teaching and student success.. - I'd like to see some data on this if you have it.  The best schools in the country are not catholic schools.  I think what you're trying to say is in bad areas, where schools are bad, and bad kids attend, the private school experience offers a better solution.  That's not due to Catholicism.  So I would challenge you to provide any facts that show that catholic schools are better then non catholic schools.

Catholic schools are costly and people who send their kids to these schools are not dirtbags... - Catholic schools are the cheap private schools.  They're not very costly compared to prestigious prep schools.  There are plenty of dirtbag catholic parents out there.

their kids are not dirtbags.. same with the kids, catholicism and money doesn't prevent dirtbags.

They learn, you cannot simply replicate this... - Well we have replicated this.  This might be the dumbest thing you've said.  We have plenty of public and non catholic private schools were kids learn and achieve more than catholic schools.  It was this statement that led me to believe you were simply trolling, because it's so obviously dumb.  But I'll never put anything past you now.

[Wade Garrett 155]

lol

A chithole, poor, uneducated red state forces religion into the public square.

SHOCKING

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SMH

[RLLD 4,283]

18 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

you were serious?  In that case

One could assert we already have this with the religion of liberlism in schools of course... - Liberalism is not a religion, no more than conservatism.

the Catholic school experience, which appears to be more effective in teaching and student success.. - I'd like to see some data on this if you have it.  The best schools in the country are not catholic schools.  I think what you're trying to say is in bad areas, where schools are bad, and bad kids attend, the private school experience offers a better solution.  That's not due to Catholicism.  So I would challenge you to provide any facts that show that catholic schools are better then non catholic schools.

Catholic schools are costly and people who send their kids to these schools are not dirtbags... - Catholic schools are the cheap private schools.  They're not very costly compared to prestigious prep schools.  There are plenty of dirtbag catholic parents out there.

their kids are not dirtbags.. same with the kids, catholicism and money doesn't prevent dirtbags.

They learn, you cannot simply replicate this... - Well we have replicated this.  This might be the dumbest thing you've said.  We have plenty of public and non catholic private schools were kids learn and achieve more than catholic schools.  It was this statement that led me to believe you were simply trolling, because it's so obviously dumb.  But I'll never put anything past you now.

Liberalism is not a religion, no more than conservatism.  on this point we can agree to disagree, as it presently holds all the elements of a fundementalist religion.

I'd like to see some data on this if you have it.  That was the way it was being reported, I think there is likely some truth to it, but we have to keep in mind that people who can afford the cost of private school have time to spend with their kids, and can afford private tutors as well.  Dirtbag kids do not survive as well, those schools toss kids who cannot behave. MY POINT was the using that as some reason to try this is flawed.

Catholic schools are the cheap private schools. Not exactly, though there are a variety of these schools people in the lower income strata are not prevalent at these schools, though some will pull in kids due to athletics.

same with the kids, catholicism and money doesn't prevent dirtbags. Agree, and since I did not suggest Catholicism o does anything I think we share a position here.  Money helps only because the kids at least have exposure to likely non-dirtbag parents.

Well we have replicated this.  This might be the dumbest thing you've said  Wrong, kids who go tyo school with the intent to learn will learn, this is more evident in more affluent areas, and private schools are some of those areas.  We already know this is true, this is established doctrine.  Affluence has a bearing on this, you should know this.

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

I don't care for this.  The state and church should remain separate.

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14 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don't care for this.  The state and church should remain separate.

This is where I am on it.  The only thing about this that gives me pause is that it appears they are going to leverage access to the school as a choice.  But still, I prefer we not have religion pushed in schools....no matte if it is christianity, islam, liberalism or anything.

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Just now, RLLD said:

This is where I am on it.  The only thing about this that gives me pause is that it appears they are going to leverage access to the school as a choice.  But still, I prefer we not have religion pushed in public schools....no matte if it is christianity, islam, liberalism or anything.

[seafoam1 3,527]

I went to Catholic schools and appreciated every minute of going to them. The last thing I would want is the government getting involved. 

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Tough to even get into Catholic Schools now.  Enrollment is off the charts.

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19 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

I went to Catholic schools and appreciated every minute of going to them. The last thing I would want is the government getting involved. 

see @RLLD these schools do produce dirtbags

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

8 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

Tough to even get into Catholic Schools now.  Enrollment is off the charts.

That hasn't been the case here.  Our small Catholic schools seem to struggle keeping enrollment up.

[RLLD 4,283]

1 minute ago, Herbivore said:

see @RLLD these schools do produce dirtbags

[Bier Meister 1,778]

14 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

I went to Catholic schools and appreciated every minute of going to them. The last thing I would want is the government getting involved. 

concur

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

1 minute ago, Herbivore said:

see @RLLD these schools do produce dirtbags

Exactly.  I went to Catholic school as well. 

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1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don't care for this.  The state and church should remain separate.

Too late. The minute they bring the cult of lgbtq garbage into schools might as well bring longer established religions too

[Bier Meister 1,778]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

 

 But Catholic schools are costly and people who send their kids to these schools are not dirtbags, therefore their kids are not dirtbags. 

I think this is contingent upon region/area.  I went to a Jesuit HS in the 80's. Excellent education at a very reasonable cost.  If we lived closer to the school and I wanted to send my daughter there... cost is now similar to many colleges. it's a shame.  Most of the Catholic schools are similar now in Northern California.

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

4 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Too late. The minute they bring the cult of lgbtq garbage into schools might as well bring longer established religions too

No

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20 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

Tough to even get into Catholic Schools now.  Enrollment is off the charts.

No it's not

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/253607/us-catholic-school-growth-slows-after-two-years-of-notable-increases-data-show#:~:text=The NCEA%2C which gathers statistics,remains below pre-pandemic levels.

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d17/tables/dt17_205.70.asp

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I’m all for school choice and I should get a portion of my school taxes to send my kid where I want. 

[seafoam1 3,527]

13 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

see @RLLD these schools do produce dirtbags

I'll take my life over yours. Go diddle some more kids. 

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5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

No

I am not ok with any of it, they need the Alphabet Cult out of it, or let them all in

 

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I am not ok with any of it, they need the Alphabet Cult out of it, or let them all in

 

I agree that neither belong but they are two different things.  The "alphabet cult" is not the church and not comparable in my opinion.

[RLLD 4,283]

14 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

I think this is contingent upon region/area.  I went to a Jesuit HS in the 80's. Excellent education at a very reasonable cost.  If we lived closer to the school and I wanted to send my daughter there... cost is now similar to many colleges. it's a shame.  Most of the Catholic schools are similar now in Northern California.

Perhaps, and as I noted above I think using the Catholic system as a model as if it were some kind of "fix" is not likely going to be true. 

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32 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

Tough to even get into Catholic Schools now.  Enrollment is off the charts.

Long waiting list near me.  I think it depends. If you live in a conservative area like rural Iowa then it’s not an issue. It’s when there are libtards around that people distance themselves. 

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2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

high comedy up in here

What do you know about Catholic schools? Did you go to one? 

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I am OK with vouchers being used for religious schools.  I'm not comfortable if the state is literally funding the school.  The article is a little vague on this as they based on the following:

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In April, the board rejected an application to create St. Isidore of Seville over concerns with the school's governance structure, its plan for special education students, and its ability to keep private and public funds separate. The archdiocese adjusted and resubmitted the application, prompting Monday's vote.

What is the public funding and what is the private funding being used for?  In any case, from what I can tell from this article I would not be in favor of the public backing this school. 

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

What do you know about Catholic schools? Did you go to one? 

Hell no, but I know many people that did, both growing up and kids in my area now.

The kids that go to the Catholic school are either 1) Religious nutjobs that want their kids to be indoctrinated into the church or 2) parents that live in areas where the public school isn't great so they don't want to send them there, but they can't afford the prep schools, so they settle for the cheaper catholic church.

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1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Hell no, but I know many people that did, both growing up and kids in my area now.

The kids that go to the Catholic school are either 1) Religious nutjobs that want their kids to be indoctrinated into the church or 2) parents that live in areas where the public school isn't great so they don't want to send them there, but they can't afford the prep schools, so they settle for the cheaper catholic church.

You don’t know shite.  As usual. 

[MDC 8,117]

My son goes to Catholic school but I keep him away from priests. They can’t be trusted around kids.

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31 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I agree that neither belong but they are two different things.  The "alphabet cult" is not the church and not comparable in my opinion.

they teach an ideology that is conform or be shunned, sounds alot like Catholicism to me

 

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12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You don’t know shite.  As usual. 

prove me wrong, jack ass.

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

We send our kids to Catholic school because that's where we went to school and because they are just have a better quality school setting.  My wife teaches at a public school and while it is a great school, it still has too many kids from terrible homes.

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

they teach an ideology that is conform or be shunned, sounds alot like Catholicism to me

 

I disagree but I don't have any experience in schools that are forcing that stuff on kids.  I'm not aware of any of them in my area.

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1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I disagree but I don't have any experience in schools that are forcing that stuff on kids.  I'm not aware of any of them in my area.

it was presented at my sons school, the parents rallied and shut it down, his school district entirely will not promote or teach the alphabet cult stuff

you dont need experience to know its happening

 

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2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I disagree but I don't have any experience in schools that are forcing that stuff on kids.  I'm not aware of any of them in my area.

 

[Dizkneelande 1,136]

To bad the supremes already backed public money for religious schools last year sh!tlibs.