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Pimpadeaux    2,405

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40 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

I agree that it ain’t T-pump.  The rest of your post is your usual, uninformed nonsense.

If it ain't T-pump, then how does the rest of my post not make sense when he's clearly the GOP frontrunner in the next election? 

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Hardcore troubadour    15,204

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53 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Where does it say rape? Can you quote that for me? TIA. 

Still waiting Rusty. 

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dogcows    1,030

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48 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

That first sentence is stupid.  I used a graphic to explain to you how the feds will selectively enforce laws which apply to Trump but not Biden.  You, apparently not getting that, listed some of those items.  But the US code says:

Biden clearly did that.  And before you say it, he had the "intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location" until the documents were discovered.  Perhaps you think if someone steals a car, if that car is then located and the thief says "oh my bad go ahead and take it," he won't be arrested? 

Biden violated the law, certainly enough to be indicted, should the prosecutors be so inclined.  Which they won't be.

Wanna put a friendly wager on whether or not Biden gets indicted?  :cheers: 

Here is the law that Trump is being charged under:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

Paragraphs D and F appear to be the provisions that apply to.these cases, as they mention somebody “lawfully having possession” of documents.

Paragraph D points out the crimes are either showing the documents to unauthorized people, and/or refusing to return them when demanded by the government. As far as I know, Biden didn’t show the documents around, and he returned them. On the other hand, Trump allegedly committed both offenses. Refusal to return and showing to unauthorized people.

Paragraph F explains that if you realize you have classified documents you should have given back, one who “fails to make prompt report” has broken the law. Biden (and Pence) appear to have promptly reported the documents and invited the Feds to search their property. Trump allegedly moved documents around to avoid detection.

And finally, paragraph G is about conspiracy. As far as I know, there was no accomplice working with Biden to hide classified docs. For Trump, his valet Nauta allegedly conspired with him to hide documents from the FBI.

Bottom line: Trump was given an opportunity: give back the documents, and it’s all good. He refused. That’s when it appears that he violated the above law, and then conspiring with somebody to hide the docs resulted in further violations. My guess is if he gave the stuff back immediately, they might not have bothered charging him for the times he flashed the documents to other people.

Now, if there was any evidence that Biden or Pence intentionally took classified docs and showed them to unauthorized people? They’d be liable for that even though they returned the docs upon demand. At least that’s how I’m reading this law.

Intent is huge in the law. Although murder is perhaps a bad comparison here, it gets the point across: we have multiple degrees of murder and manslaughter… all dependent on intent and premeditation. Those principles don’t apply only to murder, but widely across the law.

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Pimpadeaux    2,405

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29 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Still waiting Rusty. 

Actually click on the link, which also has the word "rape" in it, knucklehead.

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jerryskids    6,695

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10 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Here is the law that Trump is being charged under:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

Paragraphs D and F appear to be the provisions that apply to.these cases, as they mention somebody “lawfully having possession” of documents.

Paragraph D points out the crimes are either showing the documents to unauthorized people, and/or refusing to return them when demanded by the government. As far as I know, Biden didn’t show the documents around, and he returned them. On the other hand, Trump allegedly committed both offenses. Refusal to return and showing to unauthorized people.

Paragraph F explains that if you realize you have classified documents you should have given back, one who “fails to make prompt report” has broken the law. Biden (and Pence) appear to have promptly reported the documents and invited the Feds to search their property. Trump allegedly moved documents around to avoid detection.

And finally, paragraph G is about conspiracy. As far as I know, there was no accomplice working with Biden to hide classified docs. For Trump, his valet Nauta allegedly conspired with him to hide documents from the FBI.

Bottom line: Trump was given the same opportunity as Biden and Pence: give back the documents, and it’s all good. He refused. That’s when it appears that he violated the above law, and then conspiring with somebody to hide the docs resulted in further violations. My guess is if he gave the stuff back immediately, they might not have bothered charging him for the times he flashed the documents to other people.

Now, if there was any evidence that Biden or Pence intentionally took classified docs and showed them to unauthorized people? They’d be liable for that even though they returned the docs upon demand. At least that’s how I’m reading this law.

Intent is huge in the law. Although murder is perhaps a bad comparison here, it gets the point across: we have multiple degrees of murder and manslaughter… all dependent on intent and premeditation. Those principles don’t apply only to murder, but widely across the law.

I swear sometimes I'm talking to a wall.  I showed you a US code that Biden violated, your response is "but they ignored that one and used this one because it gets Trump!"  Uh, that's my point.

But for grins, let's look at yours.  Paragraphs A through F all end with "or".  Anyone who violates ANY of those provisions "Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both."

Paragraph B:

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(b)

Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, and with like intent or reason to believe, copies, takes, makes, or obtains, or attempts to copy, take, make, or obtain, any sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, document, writing, or note of anything connected with the national defense; or

 

So they ignored one code and cherry picked provisions from another code to justify indicting Trump and not Biden (or Pence, but Pence is no threat).  Trump, a former POTUS and leading competitor to the sitting president.  I don't like Trump, but this is banana republic stuff.  :thumbsdown: 

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Pimpadeaux    2,405

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Where does it say rape? Can you quote that for me? TIA. 

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9 hours ago — The jury didn't find Trump "raped" Carroll only because of a quirk in New York state law, according to the judge who oversaw the trial.
7 hours ago — But Judge Lewis Kaplan called Trump's semantic argument “entirely unpersuasive.” He clarified that the jury found that the former president did indeed “rape” ...
May 9, 2023 — A jury has found Donald Trump liable for sexually abusing advice columnist E. Jean Carroll in 1996. Jurors awarded her $5 million in a ...
May 9, 2023 — The jury awarded her $5 million in damages for her battery and defamation claims. Asked on its verdict sheet whether Carroll, 79, had proven “by ...
May 9, 2023 — Donald Trump must pay $5 million in damages for sexually abusing magazine writer E. Jean Carroll in the 1990s and then defaming her by ...
May 9, 2023 — A jury of six men and three women awarded the writer E. Jean Carroll $5 million in damages. Donald J. Trump called the verdict a “disgrace.”
May 10, 2023 — Carroll alleged Trump raped her in the Bergdorf Goodman department store and then defamed her when he denied her claim, said she wasn't his ...
A jury found Donald Trump liable Tuesday for sexually abusing advice columnist E. Jean Carroll in 1996, awarding her $5 million in a judgment that could haunt ...
Jun 28, 2023 — Former president makes counterclaim, after civil trial found he sexually abused her.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
5 hours ago — What the jury found Donald Trump did to E. Jean Carroll was in fact rape, as commonly understood, even if it didn't fit New York law's ...
May 9, 2023 — The verdict was announced in a federal courtroom in Manhattan on the first day of jury deliberations.
Donald Trump, the president of the United States from 2017 to 2021, has been accused of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment, ...
May 9, 2023 — Jurors believed that Carroll's allegation of sexual abuse in a Manhattan department store in the mid-1990s was more likely true than not.
Jul 13, 2019 — Advice columnist E Jean Carroll on what happened after she told her story.
Oct 21, 2020 — An attorney for E. Jean Carroll, the woman who has accused President Trump of raping her in the 1990s, said it was a “shocking scenario for ...
Jurors took less than three hours to hand down their verdict after a fast-paced trial where the former president offered no defense case.
May 9, 2023 — Former President Donald Trump called the verdict in New York a "disgrace." A lawyer for E. Jean Carrol said "we are very happy."
May 7, 2023 — How did we get here? Carroll, a writer and longtime advice columnist, first accused Trump of sexual assault in an excerpt of her book, "What Do ...

 

 

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Hardcore troubadour    15,204

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2 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Actually click on the link, which also has the word "rape" in it, knucklehead.

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I’m looking for anything saying he was convicted of rape. Please provide that quote. I can’t find it. Thanks. 

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Hardcore troubadour    15,204

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Ha Rusty does all that work for nothing. Sexual abuse is not rape. Nice job dumb Fock 

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Pimpadeaux    2,405

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m looking for anything saying he was convicted of rape. Please provide that quote. I can’t find it. Thanks. 

I never said he was convicted of rape, dumbass, and I was was responding to - and this is a direct quote - where you said, "Where does this say rape?" 

I provided numerous examples of usage of the term "rape" and "sexual abuse," and he lose the civil suit and challenges to it.

Rapey Trumpy!

Meanwhile, MAGAturds keep calling Biden a pedophile and yet have no legal proceedings to back that up, because all you have are conspiracy theories, catastrophizing and making up stuff. MAGAturd gonna MAGAturd.

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Hardcore troubadour    15,204

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Also dumb Rusty, a civil judgement isn’t a conviction. You suck at this. Stick to selling life insurance to people that have to have it. 

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Pimpadeaux    2,405

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ha Rusty does all that work for nothing. Sexual abuse is not rape. Nice job dumb Fock 

Wow. So sexual abuse is OK because in your mind it's not rape?

You're the biggest piece of chit on this board now. Congrats.

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Pimpadeaux    2,405

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Also dumb Rusty, a civil judgement isn’t a conviction. You suck at this. Stick to selling life insurance to people that have to have it. 

I never said he was convicted in a criminal case. He lost the civil case and his challenge. He's Rapey Trumpy, but oh he only committed sexual abuse, so that's not rape. What a complete dumbass you are.

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Hardcore troubadour    15,204

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Just now, Pimpadeaux said:

I never said he was convicted of rape, dumbass, and I was was responding to - and this is a direct quote - where you said, "Where does this say rape?" 

I provided numerous examples of usage of the term "rape" and "sexual abuse," and he lose the civil suit and challenges to it.

Rapey Trumpy!

Meanwhile, MAGAturds keep calling Biden a pedophile and yet have no legal proceedings to back that up, because all you have are conspiracy theories, catastrophizing and making up stuff. MAGAturd gonna MAGAturd.

So what? Just because your idiotic sources don’t know the difference between sexual abuse and sexual assault (rape) is an indication of your mutual stupidity and ignorance. It should really lead you to question where you get your info. Maybe they do know and just want rubes like you to repeat it. 

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Hardcore troubadour    15,204

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5 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Wow. So sexual abuse is OK because in your mind it's not rape?

You're the biggest piece of chit on this board now. Congrats.

Yeah, that’s what I said. But yeah, grabbing someone’s ass (sexual abuse) and raping (sexual assault) them are far apart. I know this from experience.  You don’t know the difference due to ignorance. And you’re easily led because of it. 

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Hardcore troubadour    15,204

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6 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I never said he was convicted in a criminal case. He lost the civil case and his challenge. He's Rapey Trumpy, but oh he only committed sexual abuse, so that's not rape. What a complete dumbass you are.

That’s right. Sexual abuse isn’t rape. Just like slapping someone isn’t the same as beating someone to a pulp. You dummy. 

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Pimpadeaux    2,405

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12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That’s right. Sexual abuse isn’t rape. Just like slapping someone isn’t the same as beating someone to a pulp. You dummy. 

You asked to see the word "rape" anywhere in this, and I posted multiple examples of the use of the word rape here, and now you're trying to dismiss the word rape in favor of what you perceive to be a more benevolent thing called sexual abuse.

You're OK with sexual abuse but not rape.

What a super piece of sh!t you are. 

Hey, so what if T-pump sexually abused women and grabbed them by the puzzy. That's OK with you!

Ass.

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dogcows    1,030

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1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

I swear sometimes I'm talking to a wall.  I showed you a US code that Biden violated, your response is "but they ignored that one and used this one because it gets Trump!"  Uh, that's my point.

But for grins, let's look at yours.  Paragraphs A through F all end with "or".  Anyone who violates ANY of those provisions "Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both."

Paragraph B:

So they ignored one code and cherry picked provisions from another code to justify indicting Trump and not Biden (or Pence, but Pence is no threat).  Trump, a former POTUS and leading competitor to the sitting president.  I don't like Trump, but this is banana republic stuff.  :thumbsdown: 

Paragraph B refers specifically to paragraph A, specifically “for the purpose aforesaid” which is (from para A):

”for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation”

Paragraphs A and B require intent of “obtaining information” - which wouldn’t apply to Biden, Pence, or Trump. They are under the later paragraphs pertaining to people that are allowed to have such documents. Also, look at what intent is necessary in A and B: “intent or reason to believe” that they want to injure the US or advantage a foreign nation. I don’t see that for Biden, Pence, or Trump.

As for the law you quoted, do you really think they can prove intent for Biden or Pence? They wouldn’t have a snowballs’ chance in hell of proving that based on the evidence that’s out there.

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34 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I never said he was convicted of rape, dumbass, and I was was responding to - and this is a direct quote - where you said, "Where does this say rape?" 

I provided numerous examples of usage of the term "rape" and "sexual abuse," and he lose the civil suit and challenges to it.

Rapey Trumpy!

Meanwhile, MAGAturds keep calling Biden a pedophile and yet have no legal proceedings to back that up, because all you have are conspiracy theories, catastrophizing and making up stuff. MAGAturd gonna MAGAturd.

The judge says it was rape. Doesn’t matter how much Trump or tardcore cry about it.

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"The jury's unanimous verdict in Carroll II was almost entirely in favor of Ms. Carroll," the opinion continued, adding, "The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was 'raped' within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump 'raped' her as many people commonly understand the word 'rape.' Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that."

Trump loses again!

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Hardcore troubadour    15,204

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18 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Dance Rusty, dance!  :lol:

He’s pathetic. He’s the worst poster.  Rusty has been here forever and no one can stand him, left or right. 

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25 minutes ago, dogcows said:

The judge says it was rape. Doesn’t matter how much Trump or tardcore cry about it.

Trump loses again!

Failed to prove according to the law but instead what some people might understand the word?  Have you and the judge bumped your heads?  :lol:

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Pimpadeaux    2,405

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14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He’s pathetic. He’s the worst poster.  Rusty has been here forever and no one can stand him, left or right. 

Turdecore Dooshadour:

Rape: Bad!

Sexual assault: OK! Not the same thing. Rapey Trumpy OK! Weeeeeeeee!!!!!

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Hardcore troubadour    15,204

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2 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Turdecore Dooshadour:

Rape: Bad!

Sexual assault: OK! Not the same thing. Rapey Trumpy OK! Weeeeeeeee!!!!!

To wit. Pathetic. 

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Pimpadeaux    2,405

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

To wit. Pathetic. 

You support a sexual predator to be our president. Not suprising.

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seafoam1    2,898

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16 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

You support a sexual predator to be our president. Not suprising.

Now show the Trump videos.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Now show the Trump videos.

 

 

I've shown the T-pump court losses in his attemp to prove he is not a rapist. You know, court of law stuff. 

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seafoam1    2,898

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3 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I've shown the T-pump court losses in his attemp to prove he is not a rapist. You know, court of law stuff. 

So all you respond with is TDS-pump. Good one corky.

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thegeneral    3,092

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4 hours ago, jerryskids said:

That first sentence is stupid.  I used a graphic to explain to you how the feds will selectively enforce laws which apply to Trump but not Biden.  You, apparently not getting that, listed some of those items.  But the US code says:

Biden clearly did that.  And before you say it, he had the "intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location" until the documents were discovered.  Perhaps you think if someone steals a car, if that car is then located and the thief says "oh my bad go ahead and take it," he won't be arrested? 

Biden violated the law, certainly enough to be indicted, should the prosecutors be so inclined.  Which they won't be.

Wanna put a friendly wager on whether or not Biden gets indicted?  :cheers: 

You posted it. Knowingly did it and with the intent to keep them. This is exactly what Trump did and they have tapes of him saying it and proof he knowingly kept the items after being asked to give them back. It’s the stupidest crime, but he is a sloppy mess.

If you don’t run your trap you just have to say I didn’t know I had these and here search my house and comply with investigators. This is what Pence and Biden did. 

I don’t think this is hard to get and is pretty clear that Trump focked himself.

 

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53 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

You posted it. Knowingly did it and with the intent to keep them. This is exactly what Trump did and they have tapes of him saying it and proof he knowingly kept the items after being asked to give them back. It’s the stupidest crime, but he is a sloppy mess.

If you don’t run your trap you just have to say I didn’t know I had these and here search my house and comply with investigators. This is what Pence and Biden did. 

I don’t think this is hard to get and is pretty clear that Trump focked himself.

 

 

 

Here's the true Bidenomics:

Jan 2021 Biden's inauguration Cancels Keystone pipeline  Inflation rate = 1.4%

March 2021 Biden signs $1.9 trillion Covid relief bill.  Inflation rate 2.6%

July 2021 Democrats propose $3.9 trillion budget plan.  Inflation rate 5.4%

November 2021 Biden signs $1 trillion infrastructure package.  Inflation rate 6.8%

March 2022 Biden delivers first SOTU  Inflation rate 7.9%

April 2022 Announces student loan forgiveness  Inflation rate 8.3%

May 2022 Acknowledged baby formula supply problem  Inflation rate 8.6% And surged to 9.1% highest since 1981.

My question how the is this Trump's fault ?! 

 

TDS is incurable...

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5 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

 

Anyone who voted for this pedo should be put in prison forever.

 

Come on man.  That’s how EVERYONE of his generation acts.  

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7 hours ago, thegeneral said:

You posted it. Knowingly did it and with the intent to keep them. This is exactly what Trump did and they have tapes of him saying it and proof he knowingly kept the items after being asked to give them back. It’s the stupidest crime, but he is a sloppy mess.

If you don’t run your trap you just have to say I didn’t know I had these and here search my house and comply with investigators. This is what Pence and Biden did. 

I don’t think this is hard to get and is pretty clear that Trump focked himself.

 

Agreed.  People desperately want to make a false equivalency here. Intent is in every one of these statues (and throughout all laws). If anybody thinks intent doesn’t matter, consider the penalties for 1st-degree murder vs involuntary manslaughter… and the many degrees between the two as well.

Trump could have just handed over the documents (like Pence and Biden did) and this would have been over. But he’s a piece of crap who thinks they are his personal property and that he’s above the law.

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18 hours ago, jerryskids said:

When I hear Jan 6th, I think of the selfie fest errr... insurrection, worse than the Civil War%$@!  Nothing he did was illegal there and he will never be indicted for anything that day.

I've long said that the most egregious and potentially illegal thing he did was that phone call to the Georgia SOS.  I'd be fine if he were indicted for that.

The NY indictment was so pathetic it was both laughable and sad. 

For the documents, they could easily arrest Biden as well, but of course they won't.  Instead they made a Venn diagram of the two scenarios, highlighted the part unique to Trump, and indicted him on that alone, so that they could have plausible deniability for ignoring Biden.

Here is an explanation/speculation based on the charges brought up in the target letter.
 

 

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15 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Here's why I.think the "unfortunately" comment is wrong. 

Let me ask you this.. If someone were to keep punching you, which is wrong, and not be held accountable for it, do you think the right message to other people would be to not punch back?

I understand your point, I really do.

My point is simply this.  The Democrats took this all way too far. In their pursuit of power they sacraficed everything, their integrity, reason.....just everything.   Do we really want to replicate that? Should we not have a line we will not cross?

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7 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

 

 

Here's the true Bidenomics:

Jan 2021 Biden's inauguration Cancels Keystone pipeline  Inflation rate = 1.4%

March 2021 Biden signs $1.9 trillion Covid relief bill.  Inflation rate 2.6%

July 2021 Democrats propose $3.9 trillion budget plan.  Inflation rate 5.4%

November 2021 Biden signs $1 trillion infrastructure package.  Inflation rate 6.8%

March 2022 Biden delivers first SOTU  Inflation rate 7.9%

April 2022 Announces student loan forgiveness  Inflation rate 8.3%

May 2022 Acknowledged baby formula supply problem  Inflation rate 8.6% And surged to 9.1% highest since 1981.

My question how the is this Trump's fault ?! 

 

TDS is incurable...

Funny you change the subject and these stats you cut and paste from some hacky website stops last year. 🤔

Peefoam has no original thoughts. Sad.

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10 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Funny you change the subject and these stats you cut and paste from some hacky website stops last year. 🤔

Peefoam has no original thoughts. Sad.

You'll say anything to try to deflect attention away from how shlltty biden is.

You can't combat any of it. That's called 0 original thoughts. You even copy other liberal's lame meaningless insults.:doh:

 

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7 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

You'll say anything to try to deflect attention away from how shlltty biden is.

You can't combat any of it. That's called 0 original thoughts. You even copy other liberal's lame meaningless insults.:doh:

 

We are in the “Trump indicted” thread you dope. You are the one changing this subject.

For your change the subject cut and paste stats about inflation I pointed out it stopped last May. Why is that dickless?

Now you will post the same video or some stupid line you have repeated hundreds of times. 

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