Sound of Freedom

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

On 8/7/2023 at 7:31 AM, Reality said:

Movies based on true stories are sensationalized, you heard it here first folks.

My God man, get a focking life you pathetic loser.

If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black

[BuckSwope 654]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

I listened at 1.5 speed because the dude talks so slow and repeats himself. 

That's how I usually listen to pods.  1.3x-1.5x.    It does throw me off a little if it's a music podcast and sometimes I adjust back for those.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Robert Gehrke: Tim Ballard’s story in the ‘Sound of Freedom’ seems too good to be true — because it isn’t true.

Court records paint a starkly different narrative from the one in the film and that Ballard has repeatedly told publicly.

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/2023/07/25/robert-gehrke-tim-ballards-story/

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

Good thing resident propagandists are doing all they can to try and discredit this film with lies.

Good job, Komrade Pedo!!  Way to disseminate that propaganda!

[GutterBoy 2,898]

 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Good thing resident propagandists are doing all they can to try and discredit this film with lies.

Good job, Comrade Pedo!!!

Point out the lies or STFU.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Point out the lies or STFU.

Go eat another bag of d1cks, Pedoboy.   Head back to your gloryhole with your boyfriend Glory Hole Garret to restock.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Go eat another bag of d1cks, Pedoboy.   Head back to your gloryhole with your boyfriend Glory Hole Garret to restock.

Exactly, you're just talking sh1t, can't point out any lies.  Now shut your face.

[RogerDodger 797]

7 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Point out the lies or STFU.

The last tweet you posted.  Tim Ballard's Sounds of Freedom

Directed by	Alejandro Monteverde
Written by	Rod Barr Alejandro Monteverde
Produced by	Eduardo Verástegui
Starring	Jim Caviezel Mira Sorvino Bill Camp

Don't see anywhere that it's his film.

Other than the main character sharing Tim's name, based on his story, which you love to point out as complete fiction.  Where is this connection?  

And don't these guys know it's just fiction!!!!

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Misinformation, human trafficking fantasy stories such as Sound of Freedom not only draw people’s attention away from real human trafficking and child sex abuse but provides cover for actual traffickers and pedophiles.

Spiderman draws attention away from real crime!

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

1 minute ago, RogerDodger said:

The last tweet you posted.  Tim Ballard's Sounds of Freedom

Directed by	Alejandro Monteverde
Written by	Rod Barr Alejandro Monteverde
Produced by	Eduardo Verástegui
Starring	Jim Caviezel Mira Sorvino Bill Camp

Don't see anywhere that it's his film.

Other than the main character sharing Tim's name, based on his story, which you love to point out as complete fiction.  Where is this connection?  

And don't these guys know it's just fiction!!!!

Spiderman draws attention away from real crime!

Well, that's not surprising since GutterPedo is nothing more than a lying propagandist.  He and his boyfriend GHG (Glory Hole Garret) do nothing but spout propaganda all day long while giving each other reach arounds.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

19 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

The last tweet you posted.  Tim Ballard's Sounds of Freedom

Directed by	Alejandro Monteverde
Written by	Rod Barr Alejandro Monteverde
Produced by	Eduardo Verástegui
Starring	Jim Caviezel Mira Sorvino Bill Camp

Don't see anywhere that it's his film.

Other than the main character sharing Tim's name, based on his story, which you love to point out as complete fiction.  Where is this connection?  

And don't these guys know it's just fiction!!!!

Spiderman draws attention away from real crime!

The movie is his life story, as you argued previously, don't say it's not now.

And yes, his story and the movie are all BS.

[Reality 3,092]

Holy focking obsession, gutter really does have an issue with child trafficking awareness...

[MDC 7,121]

2 minutes ago, Reality said:

Holy focking obsession, gutter really does have an issue with child trafficking awareness...

You say many dumb things. 

[RogerDodger 797]

15 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

The movie is his life story, as you argued previously, don't say it's not now.

And yes, his story and the movie are all BS.

It supposed to be "based on a true story" and I never claimed how much of it is true or fiction.

But, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.  Let's say it's 100% fiction.  Why does your article say 

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Misinformation, human trafficking fantasy stories such as Sound of Freedom not only draw people’s attention away from real human trafficking and child sex abuse but provides cover for actual traffickers and pedophiles.

That's nonsensical.  Do Hannibal Lecter movies draw attention away from real serial killers?

No more fiction crime movies because they draw attention away from real crime!

Can you answer one thing about that article you linked?  They claim that Tim's origin story is a lie.  And maybe it's just the horrible font on that website, but, I don't see the proof they claim to have.  They repeat the story and then just say its a lie.  How did they draw that conclusion?

[GutterBoy 2,898]

10 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

It supposed to be "based on a true story" and I never claimed how much of it is true or fiction.

But, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.  Let's say it's 100% fiction.  Why does your article say 

That's nonsensical.  Do Hannibal Lecter movies draw attention away from real serial killers?

No more fiction crime movies because they draw attention away from real crime!

Can you answer one thing about that article you linked?  They claim that Tim's origin story is a lie.  And maybe it's just the horrible font on that website, but, I don't see the proof they claim to have.  They repeat the story and then just say its a lie.  How did they draw that conclusion?

The reason the film is dangerous is because it's focused on kidnapping when in fact the vast majority of trafficking is people you know.  I've already explained this to you.  I also linked an article about real people who have been trafficked and how they try and help others, but they're being called groomers and pedos by sound of freedom acolytes.

As far as the lies, this is the clearest argument that you might be able to grasp.  If not then oh well.

 

[RogerDodger 797]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

The reason the film is dangerous is because it's focused on kidnapping when in fact the vast majority of trafficking is people you know.  I've already explained this to you.  I also linked an article about real people who have been trafficked and how they try and help others, but they're being called groomers and pedos by sound of freedom acolytes.

As far as the lies, this is the clearest argument that you might be able to grasp.  If not then oh well.

 

Dude.  Two simple questions.  Let me dumb them down further for you.

1 - How does a fictional movie distract from anything?  (Does Hannibal Lector distract from real serial killers because most real serial killings are done by people they know?) <- that's your moronic claim.

2 - What does the website have that disproves Tim's origin story?

[BuckSwope 654]

31 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

It supposed to be "based on a true story" and I never claimed how much of it is true or fiction.

But, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.  Let's say it's 100% fiction.  Why does your article say 

That's nonsensical.  Do Hannibal Lecter movies draw attention away from real serial killers?

No more fiction crime movies because they draw attention away from crime!

Can you answer one thing about that article you linked?  They claim that Tim's origin story is a lie.  And maybe it's just the horrible font on that website, but, I don't see the proof they claim to have.  They repeat the story and then just say its a lie.  How did they draw that conclusion?

Silence of the Lambs was also not touting bringing awareness to serial killers or asking for $ to help catch serial killers.     Right there is the big difference in the situations.   

Interesting example, because SotL also had a bit of criticism around it about it's portrayal of Bill.   Just about any 'based on' movie has people complaining about the details.   

 

I haven't seen a link, but in their podcast they keep referring to a court document that proves that the "necklace" moment didn't happen.    If I remember right, Ballard claims one of them ran up to him and gave him a hug and the necklace?  Evidently there are filings that show that couldn't have happened, and that is largely what they use to sell themselves and raise money.     Isn't that the central story of the movie too, him rescuing those two kids?    So the big complaint is not that the "based on true events" got the story largely right but made up stuff for movie excitement, it's that Ballard's hole story about himself and what he is selling is based on something that never happened.  

 

[RogerDodger 797]

1 minute ago, BuckSwope said:

Silence of the Lambs was also not touting bringing awareness to serial killers or asking for $ to help serial killers.     Right there is the big difference in the situations.   

Great, fine.  It's the bad guys grifting off the movie, donations to their cause if the cause is found to be disingenuous.

But not the actual movie itself which is what Gutterboy and all his links fail to make the distinction.  

I'll address the other paragraph separately. 

[BuckSwope 654]

2 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Great, fine.  It's the bad guys grifting off the movie, donations to their cause if the cause is found to be disingenuous.

But not the actual movie itself which is what Gutterboy and all his links fail to make the distinction.  

I'll address the other paragraph separately. 

He's made the point about that too.   It's because the movie and foundation focus on something that IRL is shown to be a tiny % of the cases around child trafficking/abduction.  Yes, on one hand you can say that if it leads to catching some of those people - WGAF?   What the criticism is the downside is if people walk away from the movie and hype around it thinking that what is presented in the movie is largely how it goes IRL - then in theory that could lead people to not looking where their kids are truly vulnerable.    I'm not convinced of that, but I understand what it being said.   For me the more harmful is IF this causes a big uptick to a foundation that might not be on the up and up.   I'd rather good intentioned people not get duped and something like child trafficking addressed correctly and efficiently.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

GutterPedo triggered by a movie. 

 

[RogerDodger 797]

18 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I haven't seen a link, but in their podcast they keep referring to a court document that proves that the "necklace" moment didn't happen.    If I remember right, Ballard claims one of them ran up to him and gave him a hug and the necklace?  Evidently there are filings that show that couldn't have happened, and that is largely what they use to sell themselves and raise money.     Isn't that the central story of the movie too, him rescuing those two kids?    So the big complaint is not that the "based on true events" got the story largely right but made up stuff for movie excitement, it's that Ballard's hole story about himself and what he is selling is based on something that never happened.  

 

Right.

Hear that @GutterBoy the movie is based on a true story with a lot of things that are actually true in it:

I think we agree.  If the MOVIE made up things like the necklace for dramatic effect that's ok.  If they decide to go rescue the girl in Columbia when in reality she's safe at home, knock yourself out.

If Tim Ballard in real life used the sensational version of the story to raise money that would be fraudulent.  

[RogerDodger 797]

3 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

He's made the point about that too.   It's because the movie and foundation focus on something that IRL is shown to be a tiny % of the cases around child trafficking/abduction.  Yes, on one hand you can say that if it leads to catching some of those people - WGAF?   What the criticism is the downside is if people walk away from the movie and hype around it thinking that what is presented in the movie is largely how it goes IRL - then in theory that could lead people to not looking where their kids are truly vulnerable.    I'm not convinced of that, but I understand what it being said.   For me the more harmful is IF this causes a big uptick to a foundation that might not be on the up and up.   I'd rather good intentioned people not get duped and something like child trafficking addressed correctly and efficiently.  

He lost that argument when he used US statistics when that has zero to do with the movie (idgaf about Tim Ballard).  The movie is clearly about international child trafficking from South America.  If people tune off with child abuse at home here in the US because of this movie they're idiots.

[BuckSwope 654]

1 minute ago, RogerDodger said:

Right.

Hear that @GutterBoy the movie is based on a true story with a lot of things that are actually true in it:

I think we agree.  If the MOVIE made up things like the necklace for dramatic effect that's ok.  If they decide to go rescue the girl in Columbia when in reality she's safe at home, knock yourself out.

If Tim Ballard in real life used the sensational version of the story to raise money that would be fraudulent.  

I think you misunderstood my post, or I wasn't clear.    The bolded is what they are saying is going on.   

Ballard IRL says things like he saw this kid, embraced this kid, he was at the stop, the kid got the necklace, etc..  That is what he is saying when he gives interviews, and that is the story being told at the center of their donation efforts IRL (they have raised millions and millions selling the necklaces).    So, yes - the claim is that through these documents, which I understand to be the filings of the stops and interviews, it shows he is telling an untrue story AND that untrue story is that the 'based on true events' is also based on.  

[BuckSwope 654]

3 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

He lost that argument when he used US statistics when that has zero to do with the movie (idgaf about Tim Ballard).  The movie is clearly about international child trafficking from South America.  If people tune off with child abuse at home here in the US because of this movie they're idiots.

Well, we are talking about the general American movie going public.  

[TimHauck 2,602]

2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I think you misunderstood my post, or I wasn't clear.    The bolded is what they are saying is going on.   

Ballard IRL says things like he saw this kid, embraced this kid, he was at the stop, the kid got the necklace, etc..  That is what he is saying when he gives interviews, and that is the story being told at the center of their donation efforts IRL (they have raised millions and millions selling the necklaces).    So, yes - the claim is that through these documents, which I understand to be the filings of the stops and interviews, it shows he is telling an untrue story AND that untrue story is that the 'based on true events' is also based on.  

Dogtags, not necklaces. Digby/  @Stryker Ryker was a general in the army and received a Purple Heart before embarking on his professional baseball career before embarking on his doctor career, get it right.

[BuckSwope 654]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Dogtags, not necklaces. Digby/  @Stryker Ryker was a general in the army and received a Purple Heart before embarking on his professional baseball career before embarking on his doctor career, get it right.

So sorry.  In interviews they played he kept referring to it as a necklace/the necklace.    Forgive me in advance, stryker.

[RogerDodger 797]

3 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I think you misunderstood my post, or I wasn't clear.    The bolded is what they are saying is going on.   

Ballard IRL says things like he saw this kid, embraced this kid, he was at the stop, the kid got the necklace, etc..  That is what he is saying when he gives interviews, and that is the story being told at the center of their donation efforts IRL (they have raised millions and millions selling the necklaces).    So, yes - the claim is that through these documents, which I understand to be the filings of the stops and interviews, it shows he is telling an untrue story AND that untrue story is that the 'based on true events' is also based on.  

I understood fine.  IDGAF about Tim Ballard.

The movie largely follows Tim Ballard's origin story. 

They (the pod cast you've listened to) claim that his origin story is not 100% true.  Things like:

• There was no necklace.
• The boy was really from America (not Columbia) and got stopped at the Mexican border because they forgot his ID when the rapist took him down to Mexico to have fun.
• They didn't have to go rescue his sister too, she was safe at home.

If the podcasters are correct, the changes to the story are fine for the movie.  Not ok if you're pushing the origin story as true for donations.  

 

 

[RogerDodger 797]

15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Dogtags, not necklaces. Digby/  @Stryker Ryker was a general in the army and received a Purple Heart before embarking on his professional baseball career before embarking on his doctor career, get it right.

WTF are you talking about?  It was a St. Timothy charm necklace.  Get it - St. Timothy - TIM Ballard.

Why do you have to make everything so stupid.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

24 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

He lost that argument when he used US statistics when that has zero to do with the movie (idgaf about Tim Ballard).  The movie is clearly about international child trafficking from South America.  If people tune off with child abuse at home here in the US because of this movie they're idiots.

And a lot of these right wingers are idiots, and that means a lot more victims, which hopefully we can agree is bad, but it seems like you couldn't give a sh1t

[GutterBoy 2,898]

10 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

I understood fine.  IDGAF about Tim Ballard.

The movie largely follows Tim Ballard's origin story. 

They (the pod cast you've listened to) claim that his origin story is not 100% true.  Things like:

• There was no necklace.
• The boy was really from America (not Columbia) and got stopped at the Mexican border because they forgot his ID when the rapist took him down to Mexico to have fun.
• They didn't have to go rescue his sister too, she was safe at home.

If the podcasters are correct, the changes to the story are fine for the movie.  Not ok if you're pushing the origin story as true for donations.  

 

 

Did you see the interviews?  He's pushed the origin story IN REAL LIFE for years.  He built his entire franchise on it.

[Reality 3,092]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

You say many dumb things. 

Everybody has a cause, I guess this is his.

[RogerDodger 797]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Did you see the interviews?  He's pushed the origin story IN REAL LIFE for years.  He built his entire franchise on it.

Can you read?  Try the second sentence one more time.

[BuckSwope 654]

3 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

I understood fine.  IDGAF about Tim Ballard.

The movie largely follows Tim Ballard's origin story. 

They (the pod cast you've listened to) claim that his origin story is not 100% true.  Things like:

• There was no necklace.
• The boy was really from America (not Columbia) and got stopped at the Mexican border because they forgot his ID when the rapist took him down to Mexico to have fun.
• They didn't have to go rescue his sister too, she was safe at home.

If the podcasters are correct, the changes to the story are fine for the movie.  Not ok if you're pushing the origin story as true for donations.  

 

 

We agree, and that is what they are doing - correct?    So that is the main complaint by people because the money and these donations are going back to him and his foundation.   It's that movie is yet another vehicle to sell this story and get more money.     How it gets twisted to libs protecting pedos is beyond me.  

Personally for me, it's mostly about not wanting people to get grifted and I want a serious topic addressed and tackled effectively.    I could be wrong, but I don''t think much of the ticket sales gets funneled back to Ballard and the org, but I'm pretty sure I read OUR asks for donations at the end.  I haven't seen it, so you can verify that or I will when I see it.  That's what I had a problem with, and have even more concerns now.    Besides that, I just thought the idea of a 'based on true events' movie being touted like this was pretty funny because of my history with them and knowing how many liberties are taken with the stories.   

 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Let me try and dumb it down for ole horsesh1t.  He can only understand analogies, and the serial killer analogy is terrible.

Let's say I took it as mission to help inner city black youths from murder, and I told the story about a young black man in St Louis who was murdered by a cop, with his hands in the air while he yelled don't shoot.  And then I made a movie about it, and told people that they can stop black men from dying of they bought more tickets for other people, and the movie was about cops murdering innocent black youths.  And I sold hands up don't shoot shirts to raise awareness of the murdering cops and used the money to buy myself a beach house.  And people loved the movie and became outraged at cops for murdering black youths.

Meanwhile gang violence increased and more black youths were murdered.

Do you get it?

[RogerDodger 797]

1 minute ago, BuckSwope said:

We agree, and that is what they are doing - correct?    So that is the main complaint by people because the money and these donations are going back to him and his foundation.   It's that movie is yet another vehicle to sell this story and get more money.     How it gets twisted to libs protecting pedos is beyond me.  

Personally for me, it's mostly about not wanting people to get grifted and I want a serious topic addressed and tackled effectively.    I could be wrong, but I don''t think much of the ticket sales gets funneled back to Ballard and the org, but I'm pretty sure I read OUR asks for donations at the end.  I haven't seen it, so you can verify that or I will when I see it.  That's what I had a problem with, and have even more concerns now.    Besides that, I just thought the idea of a 'based on true events' movie being touted like this was pretty funny because of my history with them and knowing how many liberties are taken with the stories.   

 

A - It's not Tim Ballard's movie

B - I need to see proof of the bold before I believed Angel Studios would funnel money to OUR.

C - Yes OUR is asking for donations using the movie, don't donate if you don't want.  I cannot confirm the credits, I thought it was just pay it forward tickets.

 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Just now, RogerDodger said:

A - It's not Tim Ballard's movie

B - I need to see proof of the bold before I believed Angel Studios would funnel money to OUR.

C - Yes OUR is asking for donations using the movie, don't donate if you don't want.  I cannot confirm the credits, I thought it was just pay it forward tickets.

 

He can't confirm the credits because the illegal version he watched cut off the credits

[TimHauck 2,602]

26 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

So sorry.  In interviews they played he kept referring to it as a necklace/the necklace.    Forgive me in advance, stryker.

 

14 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

WTF are you talking about?  It was a St. Timothy charm necklace.  Get it - St. Timothy - TIM Ballard.

Why do you have to make everything so stupid.  

Sorry, thought it was dogtags, haven’t cared enough to dissect the story.  Sorry @BuckSwope

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Also, Tim Ballard was removed from OUR.

[RogerDodger 797]

8 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Let me try and dumb it down for ole horsesh1t.  He can only understand analogies, and the serial killer analogy is terrible.

Let's say I took it as mission to help inner city black youths from murder, and I told the story about a young black man in St Louis who was murdered by a cop, with his hands in the air while he yelled don't shoot.  And then I made a movie about it, and told people that they can stop black men from dying of they bought more tickets for other people, and the movie was about cops murdering innocent black youths.  And I sold hands up don't shoot shirts to raise awareness of the murdering cops and used the money to buy myself a beach house.  And people loved the movie and became outraged at cops for murdering black youths.

Meanwhile gang violence increased and more black youths were murdered.

Do you get it?

 Tim Ballard didn't make the movie and as far as I understand isn't making money off ticket sales.  Nice to see inside the workings of that tiny mind.  No wonder you're lost.