Hawaii is on fire

[HellToupee 1,709]

48 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

I love how all the developers are taking advantage of this tragedy to buy land from people who lost their homes.

I was reading that people need to be careful of their insurance company and not to sign anything by them or fema 

[BuckSwope 654]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Do we know if there were many people that didn't have homeowners insurance or is there any reason to believe claims will be denied?   

Assuming the land is extremely valuable (if the houses were small the land may even be worth more now to a developer than it was before if they don't have to knock the house down), it may make sense for some property owners to sell and move elsewhere.    Of course they should do this on their own and yes developers already reaching out is extremely scummy.

I'd guess they are swooping in and offering charred property prices to desperate people, not anything approaching actual value to them or market.   

[thegeneral 3,121]

20 minutes ago, RLLD said:

50 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

I love how all the developers are taking advantage of this tragedy to buy land from people who lost their homes.

Agree.   I have an issue with developers in general, so I bring a certain bias to this.....but yeah, focking predatory scum

It was floated by the Hawaii Governor that the state would secure the land to stop this and the conspiracy theorists went nuts. 

If the state stops people from selling their land I’m sure people will go nuts. They could try making zoning laws or how much land can be acquired stricter but I’m sure people will be upset by that as well - big government and all.

Tough situation with no good answers.

 

[RLLD 4,194]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

It was floated by the Hawaii Governor that the state would secure the land to stop this and the conspiracy theorists went nuts. 

If the state stops people from selling their land I’m sure people will go nuts. They could try making zoning laws or how much land can be acquired stricter but I’m sure people will be upset by that as well - big government and all.

Tough situation with no good answers.

 

Yes.  The situation is pretty bad right now.  I surmise that there was likely no contigency plan for something like this.  The tragedy here will change that locality for 100 years....

[thegeneral 3,121]

9 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I'd guess they are swooping in and offering charred property prices to desperate people, not anything approaching actual value to them or market.   

I think many in this place see nothing wrong with this - the market at work.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,263]

1 hour ago, Cloaca du jour said:

I love how all the developers are taking advantage of this tragedy to buy land from people who lost their homes.

They should invite them to the property to go over the deal and then smash them in the head with a bat. 

[TimHauck 2,724]

11 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I'd guess they are swooping in and offering charred property prices to desperate people, not anything approaching actual value to them or market.   

Yes, obviously that is scummy and people should not sell for much if any below market value.   And if the developers are so interested in the land, clearly the value hasn't dropped much if any due to the fire.

 

10 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

It was floated by the Hawaii Governor that the state would secure the land to stop this and the conspiracy theorists went nuts. 

If the state stops people from selling their land I’m sure people will go nuts. They could try making zoning laws or how much land can be acquired stricter but I’m sure people will be upset by that as well - big government and all.

Tough situation with no good answers.

 

What does "secure the land" mean?

I don't think they should prevent people from selling, but maybe they could have a team analyze pending sales to ensure they are not selling for pennies on the dollar, maybe also try to educate everyone and ensure they're aware of how valuable their property is.

[thegeneral 3,121]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They should invite them to the property to go over the deal and then smash them in the head with a bat. 

How would you stop this from happening realistically?

[thegeneral 3,121]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yes, obviously that is scummy and people should not sell for much if any below market value.   And if the developers are so interested in the land, clearly the value hasn't dropped much if any due to the fire.

 

What does "secure the land" mean?

I don't think they should prevent people from selling, but maybe they could have a team analyze pending sales to ensure they are not selling for pennies on the dollar, maybe also try to educate everyone and ensure they're aware of how valuable their property is.

That’s the rub. I read a few different ideas for this including the one you mentioned. Ultimately if someone wants to sell what should stop them will be contested.

I guarantee people will and moan whichever direction is taken.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,263]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

How would you stop this from happening realistically?

I would set the deal up, invite them over then do a Dinero as Al Capone in the untouchables. 

[Cloaca du jour 2,148]

Change the name from Maui to Blackrock

[HellToupee 1,709]

1st hand account saying police blocked cars on Front St leaving . Wow

 

[seafoam1 2,919]

Hawaii is as bad as California. Let it burn.

 

 

[thegeneral 3,121]

What an odd thread this has become. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

What an odd thread this has become. 

Like most topics, these magas just turn everything into a conspiracy against them.  They've taken on the persona of their leader trump.

[TimHauck 2,724]

15 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Hawaii is as bad as California. Let it burn.

 

 

I think the fire is out now

[seafoam1 2,919]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I think the fire is out now

Such a shame. Hopefully hurricane hillary wipes out California. 

[HellToupee 1,709]

On 8/18/2023 at 10:14 AM, Cloaca du jour said:

Change the name from Maui to Blackrock

The resident in the vid I posted mentions blackrock at the very end

[thegeneral 3,121]

Blackrock used a fireweapon to target Lahaina so Woody Harrison can have beachfront property!

[HellToupee 1,709]

37 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Blackrock used a fireweapon to target Lahaina so Woody Harrison can have beachfront property!

Woody is a ham & egger , not one of the elites 

[League Champion 1,909]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

Blackrock used a fireweapon to target Lahaina so Woody Harrison can have beachfront property!

That would be totally bad ass if it were indeed true. 

[HellToupee 1,709]

Jimmy Dore picked up on the same guy in the video that I did
 

 

[League Champion 1,909]

 

[League Champion 1,909]

Are the Dems being Pedos again??

 

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,033]

58 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Are the Dems being Pedos again??

 

 

That's nuckin' 'futz.

[Cloaca du jour 2,148]

Lyin Biden just added 12 billion to Femas Budget, no guarantees it goes to anyone in maui....snuck it in a bill that sent another 25 billion to Ukraine.

 

Jfc

[Ultra Max Power 214]

Has the govt of Hawaii even announced why the sirens never went off? 

[HellToupee 1,709]

57 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

Has the govt of Hawaii even announced why the sirens never went off? 

And the guy doesn’t regret his decision . He went full squistion in not admitting he was wrong 
 

The sirens  … are used primarily for tsunamis. And that’s the reason why many of them are found, almost all of them are found, on the coastline,” MEMA Administrator Herman Andaya said Wednesday. “The public is trained to seek higher ground in the event that the siren is sounded. … Having sounded the siren that night, we’re afraid that people would have gone mauka, and if that was the case, then they would’ve gone into the fire.”

[Ultra Max Power 214]

2 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

And the guy doesn’t regret his decision 
 

The sirens  … are used primarily for tsunamis. And that’s the reason why many of them are found, almost all of them are found, on the coastline,” MEMA Administrator Herman Andaya said Wednesday. “The public is trained to seek higher ground in the event that the siren is sounded. … Having sounded the siren that night, we’re afraid that people would have gone mauka, and if that was the case, then they would’ve gone into the fire.”

Sounds like the govt of Hawaii messed up several times during the week and their land management team failed big time by not instituting the safety precautions that were identified as issues during a review of the 2018 wildfire on the island. 

There was a local on a podcast discussing how the firefighters had contained earlier fires and told civilians they can return to their homes.  Those same fires sparked up again and no follow up warning was given.  

 

[HellToupee 1,709]

4 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

Sounds like the govt of Hawaii messed up several times during the week and their land management team failed big time by not instituting the safety precautions that were identified as issues during a review of the 2018 wildfire on the island. 

There was a local on a podcast discussing how the firefighters had contained earlier fires and told civilians they can return to their homes.  Those same fires sparked up again and no follow up warning was given.  

 

Then there is the water guy who didn’t release water until it was too late talking about equity

[HellToupee 1,709]

This channel has been very good at bringing info on this disaster as well as good charity work

 

 

[thegeneral 3,121]

The Daily had this podcast the other day which was basically just a survivor who was in the middle of the fire describing how he survived. Amazing listen.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-daily/id1200361736?i=1000624868028

[Hardcore troubadour 15,263]

More blue state incompetence 

[Ultra Max Power 214]

Over 1k people still unaccounted for

Govt issuing eviction orders to residents who homes were not damaged

Insurance companies telling residents they may not pay out due to "zoning infractions" 

What type of crap is going on there? 

 

[TimHauck 2,724]

30 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

Over 1k people still unaccounted for

Govt issuing eviction orders to residents who homes were not damaged

Insurance companies telling residents they may not pay out due to "zoning infractions" 

What type of crap is going on there? 

 

Have you seen the insurance denial claim from somewhere other than some random guy on tiktok saying the fires were planned by the government?  That’s all I can find, it was also from 5 days ago.

[Ultra Max Power 214]

22 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Have you seen the insurance denial claim from somewhere other than some random guy on tiktok saying the fires were planned by the government?  That’s all I can find, it was also from 5 days ago.

LORD NO!! | The Maui Tragedy Corruption Just Got WORSE as EVICTIONS Get Underway - YouTube

This was the clip I saw. 

 

Also an insurance blog 

RED ALERT - Insurance Companies Already Denying Maui Fire Losses Due to "Zoning Infractions" - Navigating Insurance Claims Amidst the Aftermath of Maui Fires: Important Insights for Maui Policyholders | The Voss Law Firm, P.C.

[TimHauck 2,724]

9 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

LORD NO!! | The Maui Tragedy Corruption Just Got WORSE as EVICTIONS Get Underway - YouTube

This was the clip I saw. 

Yeah that’s the random tiktok guy

[Ultra Max Power 214]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Yeah that’s the random tiktok guy

that guy didn't say it was planned by the govt, just that it was sketchy. I also linked a blog above.  

I hope this ends up not being the case, but I don't trust much about this situation right now.  

[TimHauck 2,724]

11 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

that guy didn't say it was planned by the govt, just that it was sketchy. I also linked a blog above.  

I hope this ends up not being the case, but I don't trust much about this situation right now.  

Oh sorry, he was just doing the “wink wink nudge nudge” thing.  He said “wildfire” with air quotes.  

That guy is also likely the source for the blog.

I’d believe it, or maybe even moreso believe that it may happen later, but this dude doesn’t seem very believable, and looks like he lives in Canada.  If there was smoke (sorry, no pun intended) to this already, I’d think we would have seen confirmation in the 5 days since this guy released that video. 

[Ultra Max Power 214]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Oh sorry, he was just doing the “wink wink nudge nudge” thing.  He said “wildfire” with air quotes.  

That guy is also likely the source for the blog.

I’d believe it, or maybe even moreso believe that it may happen later, but this dude doesn’t seem very believable, and looks like he lives in Canada.  If there was smoke (sorry, no pun intended) to this already, I’d think we would have seen confirmation in the 5 days since this guy released that video. 

Hawaiians have historically had low trust in the government and the government screwed up that day about as hard as they possibly could.  They haven't been any better in the their disaster response either.  Locals have had to set up their own aid networks just to take care of people. So yeah people claiming roadways were blocked, no alarms sounded, power and phone service was off and water wasn't available... I can understand why they are frustrated and probably skeptical of a government that at best was negligent in this whole thing.  

I'm sure it will eventually come to light.  Insurance companies don't have a great track record with not finding outs or holes in their own policies.  Especially ones that will cost companies billions.