Hawaii is on fire

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16 hours ago, Ultra Max Power said:

I can see the rebuild being a whole new ugly chapter in this.  Some estimates are as high as 6 billion in insurance claims to rebuild 2,000 plus buildings.  That is going to be a long and expensive process.  I hope the insurance companies can actually take care of these people, but I worry even if they can make them whole again, the future premiums won't be affordable. 

One of the problems is that the area that burned is high tourism. 

Had it been the indigenous part of the island with the locals, they wouldn't give a shiiite. 

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17 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I haven’t watched MSNBC in ten years at least. HTH

Bingo. And I give zero fux about Putin. Why this war is started is factual. And it predates this invasion 

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3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Bingo. And I give zero fux about Putin. Why this war is started is factual. And it predates this invasion 

No, it isn’t “factual.” It is Putin’s propaganda, which you repeat verbatim.

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16 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

One of the problems is that the area that burned is high tourism. 

Had it been the indigenous part of the island with the locals, they wouldn't give a shiiite. 

Well the locals are reporting they are already being contacted by property firms to aquire their properties non stop.

Governor of Hawaii has already made some comments about the state acquiring the burnt property and also even imposing a real estate moratorium on the people of the island.

Anyone who called this a conspiracy of a land grab doesn’t look far off right now. 

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11 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

No, it isn’t “factual.” It is Putin’s propaganda, which you repeat verbatim.

Dude you need to learn and read a little. The United States under Obama in 2014 overthrew the dually elected president of Ukraine. Simple because he was partial to russia and not NATO. Then the next president was pro Europe. 

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https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy
 

but I’m sure you think the US tells the truth about all foreign affairs right?  Has any US involvement ever been truthful

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6 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Dude you need to learn and read a little. The United States under Obama in 2014 overthrew the dually elected president of Ukraine. Simple because he was partial to russia and not NATO. Then the next president was pro Europe. 

This is Putin's version of the truth 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,254]

Who has invaded more countries since the end of the Cold War? The US or Russia? 

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12 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Dude you need to learn and read a little. The United States under Obama in 2014 overthrew the dually elected president of Ukraine. Simple because he was partial to russia and not NATO. Then the next president was pro Europe. 

https://truthout.org/articles/the-ukraine-mess-that-nuland-made/
 

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The Ukraine Mess That Nuland Made

Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.

By

 

Robert Parry , 

CONSORTIUMNEWS

Published

July 15, 2015

 

As the Ukrainian army squares off against ultra-right and neo-Nazi militias in the west and violence against ethnic Russians continues in the east, the obvious folly of the Obama administration’s Ukraine policy has come into focus even for many who tried to ignore the facts, or what you might call “the mess that Victoria Nuland made.”

Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs “Toria” Nuland was the “mastermind” behind the Feb. 22, 2014 “regime change” in Ukraine, plotting the overthrow of the democratically elected government of President Viktor Yanukovych while convincing the ever-gullible US mainstream media that the coup wasn’t really a coup but a victory for “democracy.”

Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland, who pushed for the Ukraine coup and helped pick the post-coup leaders.

To sell this latest neocon-driven “regime change” to the American people, the ugliness of the coup-makers had to be systematically airbrushed, particularly the key role of neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalists from the Right Sektor. For the US-organized propaganda campaign to work, the coup-makers had to wear white hats, not brown shirts.

 

So, for nearly a year and a half, the West’s mainstream media, especially The New York Times and The Washington Post, twisted their reporting into all kinds of contortions to avoid telling their readers that the new regime in Kiev was permeated by and dependent on neo-Nazi fighters and Ukrainian ultra-nationalists who wanted a pure-blood Ukraine, without ethnic Russians.

Any mention of that sordid reality was deemed “Russian propaganda” and anyone who spoke this inconvenient truth was a “stooge of Moscow.” It wasn’t until July 7 that the Times admitted the importance of the neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalists in waging war against ethnic Russian rebels in the east. The Times also reported that these far-right forces had been joined by Islamic militants. Some of those jihadists have been called “brothers” of the hyper-brutal Islamic State.

 

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There is a tape recording of Victoria Nuland discussing regime change in Ukraine in 2014 (or before). Sen. piece of sh1t John McCain was involved. Thank God he's dead. Nuland is doing the same bullsh!t in Venezuela  and more recently Niger https://ng.usembassy.gov/acting-deputy-secretary-nulands-trip-to-niger-august-7-2023/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/feb/07/eu-us-diplomat-victoria-nuland-phonecall-leaked-video

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

An apparently bugged phone conversation in which a senior US diplomat disparages the EU over the Ukraine crisis has been posted online. The alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, appeared on YouTube on Thursday. It is not clearly when the alleged conversation took place.

Here is a transcript, with analysis by BBC diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus:

Warning: This transcript contains swearing.

Voice thought to be Nuland's: What do you think?

Jonathan Marcus: At the outset it should be clear that this is a fragment of what may well be a larger phone conversation. But the US has not denied its veracity and has been quick to point a finger at the Russian authorities for being behind its interception and leak.

Voice thought to be Pyatt's: I think we're in play. The Klitschko [Vitaly Klitschko, one of three main opposition leaders] piece is obviously the complicated electron here. Especially the announcement of him as deputy prime minister and you've seen some of my notes on the troubles in the marriage right now so we're trying to get a read really fast on where he is on this stuff. But I think your argument to him, which you'll need to make, I think that's the next phone call you want to set up, is exactly the one you made to Yats [Arseniy Yatseniuk, another opposition leader]. And I'm glad you sort of put him on the spot on where he fits in this scenario. And I'm very glad that he said what he said in response.

Jonathan Marcus: The US says that it is working with all sides in the crisis to reach a peaceful solution, noting that "ultimately it is up to the Ukrainian people to decide their future". However this transcript suggests that the US has very clear ideas about what the outcome should be and is striving to achieve these goals. Russian spokesmen have insisted that the US is meddling in Ukraine's affairs - no more than Moscow, the cynic might say - but Washington clearly has its own game-plan. The clear purpose in leaking this conversation is to embarrass Washington and for audiences susceptible to Moscow's message to portray the US as interfering in Ukraine's domestic affairs.

Nuland: Good. I don't think Klitsch should go into the government. I don't think it's necessary, I don't think it's a good idea.

Pyatt: Yeah. I guess... in terms of him not going into the government, just let him stay out and do his political homework and stuff. I'm just thinking in terms of sort of the process moving ahead we want to keep the moderate democrats together. The problem is going to be Tyahnybok [Oleh Tyahnybok, the other opposition leader] and his guys and I'm sure that's part of what [President Viktor] Yanukovych is calculating on all this.

Nuland: [Breaks in] I think Yats is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience. He's the... what he needs is Klitsch and Tyahnybok on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week, you know. I just think Klitsch going in... he's going to be at that level working for Yatseniuk, it's just not going to work.

Pyatt: Yeah, no, I think that's right. OK. Good. Do you want us to set up a call with him as the next step?

Nuland: My understanding from that call - but you tell me - was that the big three were going into their own meeting and that Yats was going to offer in that context a... three-plus-one conversation or three-plus-two with you. Is that not how you understood it?

Pyatt: No. I think... I mean that's what he proposed but I think, just knowing the dynamic that's been with them where Klitschko has been the top dog, he's going to take a while to show up for whatever meeting they've got and he's probably talking to his guys at this point, so I think you reaching out directly to him helps with the personality management among the three and it gives you also a chance to move fast on all this stuff and put us behind it before they all sit down and he explains why he doesn't like it.

Nuland: OK, good. I'm happy. Why don't you reach out to him and see if he wants to talk before or after.

Pyatt: OK, will do. Thanks.

Nuland: OK... one more wrinkle for you Geoff. [A click can be heard] I can't remember if I told you this, or if I only told Washington this, that when I talked to Jeff Feltman [United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs] this morning, he had a new name for the UN guy Robert Serry did I write you that this morning?

Jonathan Marcus: An intriguing insight into the foreign policy process with work going on at a number of levels: Various officials attempting to marshal the Ukrainian opposition; efforts to get the UN to play an active role in bolstering a deal; and (as you can see below) the big guns waiting in the wings - US Vice-President Joe Biden clearly being lined up to give private words of encouragement at the appropriate moment.

Pyatt: Yeah I saw that.

Nuland: OK. He's now gotten both Serry and [UN Secretary General] Ban Ki-moon to agree that Serry could come in Monday or Tuesday. So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and to have the UN help glue it and, you know, the EU.

Jonathan Marcus: Not for the first time in an international crisis, the US expresses frustration at the EU's efforts. Washington and Brussels have not been completely in step during the Ukraine crisis. The EU is divided and to some extent hesitant about picking a fight with Moscow. It certainly cannot win a short-term battle for Ukraine's affections with Moscow - it just does not have the cash inducements available. The EU has sought to play a longer game; banking on its attraction over time. But the US clearly is determined to take a much more activist role.

Pyatt: No, exactly. And I think we've got to do something to make it stick together because you can be pretty sure that if it does start to gain altitude, that the Russians will be working behind the scenes to try to torpedo it. And again the fact that this is out there right now, I'm still trying to figure out in my mind why Yanukovych (garbled) that. In the meantime there's a Party of Regions faction meeting going on right now and I'm sure there's a lively argument going on in that group at this point. But anyway we could land jelly side up on this one if we move fast. So let me work on Klitschko and if you can just keep... we want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing. The other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych but we probably regroup on that tomorrow as we see how things start to fall into place.

Nuland: So on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [US vice-president's national security adviser Jake] Sullivan's come back to me VFR [direct to me], saying you need [US Vice-President Joe] Biden and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets [details] to stick. So Biden's willing.

Pyatt: OK. Great. Thanks.

Jonathan Marcus: Overall this is a damaging episode between Washington and Moscow. Nobody really emerges with any credit. The US is clearly much more involved in trying to broker a deal in Ukraine than it publicly lets on. There is some embarrassment too for the Americans given the ease with which their communications were hacked. But is the interception and leaking of communications really the way Russia wants to conduct its foreign policy ? Goodness - after Wikileaks, Edward Snowden and the like could the Russian government be joining the radical apostles of open government? I doubt it. Though given some of the comments from Vladimir Putin's adviser on Ukraine Sergei Glazyev - for example his interview with the Kommersant-Ukraine newspaper the other day - you don't need your own listening station to be clear about Russia's intentions. Russia he said "must interfere in Ukraine" and the authorities there should use force against the demonstrators.

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PUTIN PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!!!

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21 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Who has invaded more countries since the end of the Cold War? The US or Russia? 

US by far, we have invaded more countries than the rest of the world combined

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1 hour ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

US by far, we have invaded more countries than the rest of the world combined

And some of us are a bit sick of it. As are you. 

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

And some of us are a bit sick of it. As are you. 

thats putin propaganda

[Reality 3,121]

I didn't think it was possible to be anymore disgusted with the Biden administration but, the way this horrible tragedy is being handled in Hawaii is just heartbreaking.

Biden is such a focking joke. 

Sadly, below is also true.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,254]

30 minutes ago, Reality said:

I didn't think it was possible to be anymore disgusted with the Biden administration but, the way this horrible tragedy is being handled in Hawaii is just heartbreaking.

Biden is such a focking joke. 

Sadly, below is also true.

 

What a great opportunity for the oligarchs. 

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[Wade Garrett 155]

5 minutes ago, League Champion said:

 

What a moronic pathetic meme.  Cultist deny things like climate change that contributed to this horror and then try to use the tragedy for their own pathetic political gain?

god I'll be glad when you cockroaches scurry back to whatever dark hole you inbred racist crawled out of.

SMH

[League Champion 1,909]

4 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

What a moronic pathetic meme.  Cultist deny things like climate change that contributed to this horror and then try to use the tragedy for their own pathetic political gain?

god I'll be glad when you cockroaches scurry back to whatever dark hole you inbred racist crawled out of.

SMH

You're mad at me for posting it and not upset about Biden who did it??? HYPOCRITE PEDOCRAT

 

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So have we moved on from thinking it was  space laser attack by the rich to steal land?  We're just focused now on how Biden isn't giving enough free money to people with disregard to inflation?

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5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Biden isn't giving enough free money to people with disregard to inflation?

Like Ukraine?

[League Champion 1,909]

17 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So have we moved on from thinking it was  space laser attack by the rich to steal land? 

It's a headline ass wipe 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So have we moved on from thinking it was  space laser attack by the rich to steal land?  We're just focused now on how Biden isn't giving enough free money to people with disregard to inflation?

LOL, the moron brigade at this little slice of hell that's stormfront light never sleeps.  Trump threw rolls of paper towels at brown people and the cultist cheered like they won the world series.  And now these morons are comparing Biden giving folks a little money to the US's funding of Ukraine?  Like the rest of the civilized world?

How can we expunge these blithering racist morons from our country?

SMH

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8 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

LOL, the moron brigade at this little slice of hell that's stormfront light never sleeps.  Trump threw rolls of paper towels at brown people and the cultist cheered like they won the world series.  And now these morons are comparing Biden giving folks a little money to the US's funding of Ukraine?  Like the rest of the civilized world?

How can we expunge these blithering racist morons from our country?

SMH

It's only gotten worse since Twitter turned into a misinformation cesspool.  Any news event, and immediately it's Biden/aliens/illuminati/Jews fault.  Insane.

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/maui-laser-strike-hawaii-conspiracy-theory-b2394530.html

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1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

It's only gotten worse since Twitter turned into a misinformation cesspool.  Any news event, and immediately it's Biden/aliens/illuminati/Jews fault.  Insane.

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/maui-laser-strike-hawaii-conspiracy-theory-b2394530.html

This is what constitutes the current crop of Republicans.  Just like the moron, cultist on this slice of stormfront light.

They suck up conspiracy theories, they consume nothing but fake news, they believe nothing but what the fat, orange moron tells them, etc.

1/3rd of the country is made up of legit morons.

It's SAD

[League Champion 1,909]

5 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

It's SAD

Ain't it though Boyo? Friggin Pedocrats are destroying this Country.

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3 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

So have we moved on from thinking it was  space laser attack by the rich to steal land?  We're just focused now on how Biden isn't giving enough free money to people with disregard to inflation?

Yeah both of those are stupid.  This may be a fair criticism though

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, League Champion said:

It's a headline ass wipe 

 

 

What’s the conspiracy?

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4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

What’s the conspiracy?

EVERYTHING is a conspiracy to these inbred, uneducated, moron cultist.

They're children. 

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14 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

What’s the conspiracy?

The govt and Oprah burned down all the homes so that they can buy up the land and build "smart homes" for the rich and powerful.

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On 8/14/2023 at 8:42 AM, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

The government of Hawaii states goal for rebuild is to make the entire island of Maui the first Smart ISLAND. They want the entire island governed by AI as outlined in the Hawaii Digitial government summit of 2023 that they have planned to host next month Monday, September 25, 2023 on Maui.
Plans to implement a Digital AI government over Hawaii
https://events.govtech.com/Hawaii-Digital-Government...
Here is information about the smart cities Hawaii
https://www.nedo.go.jp/content/100864936.pdf
https://scholarspace.manoa.hawaii.edu/.../32d42543-f8b4...
https://shidler.hawaii.edu/itm/hicss
https://hr.aom.org/hr/events/eventdescription...
“Hitachi recently announced that it has begun operations on the demonstration site for the "Japan-U.S. Island Grid Project" (commonly referred to as the "JUMPSmartMaui") on the island of Maui, Hawaii, in collaboration with the New Energy and Industrial Technology Development Organization (NEDO), Mizuho Bank, Ltd. and Cyber Defense Institute, Inc. An opening ceremony was held on Maui to coincide with the launch of site operations.”
https://social-innovation.hitachi/.../the-new-smart.../...
Last January of 2023 there was a Smart City Conference in Maui to turn Maui in an entire smart city ISLAND. Pushing everything electric and making 15 minute smart cities
Lastly there was a contract last year that was signed to build high rise condos and businesses in Lahaina.. which was a historical town that couldn’t have any new development done to it.. but now? It can.

This is the conspiracy.

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9 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

EVERYTHING is a conspiracy to these inbred, uneducated, moron cultist.

They're children. 

In this case absolutely.

Hawaiian locals are worried about outsiders coming in and buying all the land. If their Governor didn’t bring this up then the conspiracy would be that the fire was a plot to chase all the locals out and allow billionaires to take over.

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12 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

EVERYTHING is a conspiracy to these inbred, uneducated, moron cultist.

They're children. 

You're so confused it's funny. 

[Reality 3,121]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

The govt and Oprah burned down all the homes so that they can buy up the land and build "smart homes" for the rich and powerful.

Don't know about the conspiracy part of it but, that's what's going to happen.

[League Champion 1,909]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

In this case absolutely.

Or are we F'ing with you because we know it spins you out??? 

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13 minutes ago, Reality said:

Don't know about the conspiracy part of it but, that's what's going to happen.

Crazy talk.

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Seems very odd if true……

 

[League Champion 1,909]

Crazy how that works

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School WAS Cancelled
 

so it seems this is false. It was the last day of summer before school started for the new year