Biden’s accomplishments (and failures)

[Baker Boy 1,687]

12 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

It’s never pretty when you have to tuck and run.

Put another way, we lost 2,402 US lives in Afghanistan (many more grievously wounded, of course).

Thirteen of those were under Biden’s watch. And so that none would ever die again.

It’s terrible those thirteen lives were lost among with the 2,400 others, but this is a pretty dumb thing to hang on Biden.

In the 18 months before the withdrawal, no American servicemen were killed in Afghanistan under Donald Trump.

[seafoam1 2,799]

4 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

In the 18 months before the withdrawal, no American servicemen were killed in Afghanistan under Donald Trump.

Don't start spouting facts, that confuses the liberals. Goes against their narrative.

[The Real timschochet 6,402]

Washington Post this morning has a pretty good analysis of Biden’s trade policies: 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/08/27/biden-trade-trump/

This issue is probably my biggest criticism of Biden’s term in office. And it should be the issue that modern day conservatives should support, since they don’t seem to like free trade either. 

[The Real timschochet 6,402]

23 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

In the 18 months before the withdrawal, no American servicemen were killed in Afghanistan under Donald Trump.

This is largely thanks to the efforts of General Milley. 
Per The Divider, on two occasions Trump attempted to order an immediate pullout of all troops without any plan whatsoever or even notifying the Afghan government. Milley resisted these efforts and threatened to resign, and Trump backed down. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,922]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Washington Post this morning has a pretty good analysis of Biden’s trade policies: 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/08/27/biden-trade-trump/

This issue is probably my biggest criticism of Biden’s term in office. And it should be the issue that modern day conservatives should support, since they don’t seem to like free trade either. 

You like the free trade where we get our ass kicked. People don’t need decent jobs.  Give them a check and some opioids and shitty schools. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,922]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

This is largely thanks to the efforts of General Milley. 
Per The Divider, on two occasions Trump attempted to order an immediate pullout of all troops without any plan whatsoever or even notifying the Afghan government. Milley resisted these efforts and threatened to resign, and Trump backed down. 

Biden wasn’t warned? 

[MDC 7,121]

28 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

In the 18 months before the withdrawal, no American servicemen were killed in Afghanistan under Donald Trump.

We’d still be there if Trump won re-election. 

[Baker Boy 1,687]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is largely thanks to the efforts of General Milley. 
Per The Divider, on two occasions Trump attempted to order an immediate pullout of all troops without any plan whatsoever or even notifying the Afghan government. Milley resisted these efforts and threatened to resign, and Trump backed down. 

Yes, unlike Biden, Trump listen to his military leaders. What is your point?

[Baker Boy 1,687]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

We’d still be there if Trump won re-election. 

Link

[MDC 7,121]

2 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Link

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mike-pence-afghanistan-withdrawal-state-department-report-face-the-nation/

Edit: 

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/08/trumps-pledge-exit-afghanistan-was-ruse-his-final-secdef-says/184660/

[seafoam1 2,799]

Trump!! 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

This thread was a sneaky way to get all the Libs to go full TDS and complain about Trump well done!

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

Biden's only accomplishment is that he managed to be the worst President of all time... but that's only because when LBJ had Kennedy killed, he was still the V.P.

[Strike 5,185]

49 minutes ago, MDC said:

We’d still be there if Trump won re-election. 

So what?  We had like 2500 troops there and the place has deteriorated since we left.  I'd be fine leaving 2500 troops there.  Hell, we still have troops in Japan and Germany.

[TheNewGirl 1,342]

I like how Biden has cured cancer. 

Quote

 

Biden was speaking at the White House about his commitment to defeating the mental health crisis in the United States, when he began to ramble about wanting to cure cancer. 

"One of the things I'm always asked is, 'Why Americans have sort of lost faith for a while in being able to do big things?' 'If you could do anything at all, Joe, what would you do?' I said I'd cure cancer. They looked at me like, 'why cancer?' Because no one thinks we can. That's why, and we can. We ended cancer as we know it," the president seemed to have said. 

 

YAY! 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,922]

Just now, TheNewGirl said:

I like how Biden has cured cancer. 

YAY! 

Smoke em if you got ‘em! 

[jerryskids 6,557]

2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

I like how Biden has cured cancer. 

YAY! 

Phew!  This is a load off my mind!   

[Wade Garrett 155]

5 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

I like how Biden has cured cancer. 

YAY! 

LOL cultist gal, your link does not say what you think your link says...

"the president seemed to have said"

LOL at cultist.  Particular women who'd vote for a convicted rapist and admitted sexual abuser...SMH

[seafoam1 2,799]

1 hour ago, JustinCharge said:

This thread was a sneaky way to get all the Libs to go full TDS and complain about Trump well done!

Yep. But not really sneaky.

[seafoam1 2,799]

13 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

LOL cultist gal, your link does not say what you think your link says...

"the president seemed to have said"

LOL at cultist.  Particular women who'd vote for a convicted rapist and admitted sexual abuser...SMH

 biden, the guy who took showers with his own daughter, said this. A campaign promise.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,922]

Damn groceries are expensive. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You like the free trade where we get our ass kicked. People don’t need decent jobs.  Give them a check and some opioids and shitty schools. 

Do you even support public schools? Seems to me like you’re one of those “school choice” people or even further

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

So what?  We had like 2500 troops there and the place has deteriorated since we left.  I'd be fine leaving 2500 troops there.  Hell, we still have troops in Japan and Germany.

Nobody’s actively trying to kill them though

[jerryskids 6,557]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

Do you even support public schools? Seems to me like you’re one of those “school choice” people or even further

What does this mean?  I'm one of those "school choice" people, it works to provide alternatives to a bad system and competition which helps to improve that bad system.

You make it sound like devil worship.   

[Hardcore troubadour 14,922]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

Do you even support public schools? Seems to me like you’re one of those “school choice” people or even further

I support their intended, traditional purpose. I also support parents having a choice, especially when they no longer adhere to their traditional, intended purpose. And I support them when they aren’t failing like they are now in so many places. My school taxes are paid in full every year. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

What does this mean?  I'm one of those "school choice" people, it works to provide alternatives to a bad system and competition which helps to improve that bad system.

You make it sound like devil worship.   

It means you want to undermine public schools, or don’t care if they are undermined.

Personally I think that’s reprehensible but you’re free to have that view, of course. My only point was why, then, is HT (if he shares your view) complaining about lack of support for public schools?

[IGotWorms 4,057]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I support their intended, traditional purpose. I also support parents having a choice, especially when they no longer adhere to their traditional, intended purpose. And I support them when they aren’t failing like they are now in so many places. My school taxes are paid in full every year. 

So you support them if you agree with what they’re teaching, I take it? And that’s based on politics, right?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,922]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

It means you want to undermine public schools, or don’t care if they are undermined.

Personally I think that’s reprehensible but you’re free to have that view, of course. My only point was why, then, is HT (if he shares your view) complaining about lack of support for public schools?

Isn’t my money enough? I don’t even use public schools. How much more support would you like me to give? Put my kids in an inferior environment? Would that make you happy. Think I like paying all this money? 

[Strike 5,185]

3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Nobody’s actively trying to kill them though

Don't be an idiot.   As previously noted we hadn't lost anyone in Afghanistan in a couple of years.  We lost more getting out.  Having that small level of troops supporting the Afghans created stability in that country.  Now it's a Haven for terrorists and reverting back to it's old ways of inhumane treatment of its own citizens, especially women and girls.  It was a worthwhile investment.

[MDC 7,121]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

So what?  We had like 2500 troops there and the place has deteriorated since we left.  I'd be fine leaving 2500 troops there.  Hell, we still have troops in Japan and Germany.

Yeah we shouldn’t have troops in Germany and Japan either. This is how they get you.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Isn’t my money enough? I don’t even use public schools. How much more support would you like me to give? Put my kids in an inferior environment? Would that make you happy. Think I like paying all this money? 

No of course not, you’re free to do whatever you want of course. Just don’t like the well to do stealing resources from public schools to subsidize their private school tuition.

If that’s not your position, my apologies

[Hardcore troubadour 14,922]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

So you support them if you agree with what they’re teaching, I take it? And that’s based on politics, right?

It’s based on their intended, traditional purpose. They have veered from that. I saw it with my own two eyes. The lack of discipline being the greatest issue I had. And I guess that is politics. Because politics is what brought that about. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Don't be an idiot.   As previously noted we hadn't lost anyone in Afghanistan in a couple of years.  We lost more getting out.  Having that small level of troops supporting the Afghans created stability in that country.  Now it's a Haven for terrorists and reverting back to it's old ways of inhumane treatment of its own citizens, especially women and girls.  It was a worthwhile investment.

Interesting take. Not many people wanted to stay in Afghanistan forever. The question was who was going to hold the bag on getting out, and Joe Biden stepped up to the plate, unlike trump who had four years to do it, and yea, also unlike Obama, who had eight.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,922]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

No of course not, you’re free to do whatever you want of course. Just don’t like the well to do stealing resources from public schools to subsidize their private school tuition.

If that’s not your position, my apologies

I think I should at least get a tax break on my school taxes while my kids are of school age and not using the system. Not a complete break, but something would be fair. After all, smaller classes are better, right? I’m helping in that regard. 

[seafoam1 2,799]

5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

It means you want to undermine public schools, or don’t care if they are undermined.

Personally I think that’s reprehensible but you’re free to have that view, of course. My only point was why, then, is HT (if he shares your view) complaining about lack of support for public schools?

Public schools suck in democratic run shltholes. Sorry that hurts you.  

[BufordT 427]

2 hours ago, Baker Boy said:

In the 18 months before the withdrawal, no American servicemen were killed in Afghanistan under Donald Trump.

 

2 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Don't start spouting facts, that confuses the liberals. Goes against their narrative.

This "fact" is in fact, not a fact. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I think I should at least get a tax break on my school taxes while my kids are of school age and not using the system. Not a complete break, but something would be fair. After all, smaller classes are better, right? I’m helping in that regard. 

So what you just said is you want to drain resources from the public school system. Just a little bit, and only for a while, but you do.

And that’s perfectly fine. I don’t like it but you’re entitled to your opinion. Well actually it might be illegal in many states due to their state constitutional obligation to provide an adequate public school education, but you’re welcome to try that legal battle. Anyway, all’s I’m saying is it’s ironic that you then complain about the state of public schools, when you just want to undermine them even further.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

5 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Public schools suck in democratic run shltholes. Sorry that hurts you.  

Actually they generally suck much worse in red states. But that ain’t cool either 

[Baker Boy 1,687]

3 minutes ago, BufordT said:

 

This "fact" is in fact, not a fact. 

I said killed so it is a fact.

The social media post claims there were no military deaths in "the past 18 months," which would date to Feb. 26, 2020. But that's not accurate. There were four non-hostile deaths recorded in Afghanistan between Feb. 12 and July 12, 2020, according to the Pentagon's casualty tracking system.

[BuckSwope 654]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

We’d still be there if Trump won re-election. 

I thought the 18months was odd.  What about the other 30?