Sunday night football

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

We are watching a good old fashion butt woopin.

[Reality 3,096]

Doing my best to make it to halftime, this is terrible football. 

[MDC 7,124]

Giants are thoroughly outclassed. Dallas is probably a Top 5 team. 

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

Giants are thoroughly outclassed. Dallas is probably a Top 5 team. 

They are in the early running for best defense.

[MDC 7,124]

Just now, MTSkiBum said:

They are in the early running for best defense.

Not gonna lie they scare me this year. I’m pinning my hopes on McCarthy being a chit coach and another choke job.

[TommyGavin 790]

Turrible

[TommyGavin 790]

Going to sleep at The half 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,930]

It’s so bad gutterboy is going back to the chargers. 

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

1 minute ago, TommyGavin said:

Going to sleep at The half 

I turned the game off.

[Bier Meister 1,657]

9 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

They are in the early running for best defense.

this, giants over-achieved last year, tougher schedule.... regression

[TommyGavin 790]

Didn’t miss anything 

[Horseman 2,358]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s so bad gutterboy is going back to the chargers. 

[shorepatrol 1,870]

JFC. Cowboys aren’t this good and Giants aren’t this bad. Giants should fire someone over this though 

[BeenHereBefore 1,455]

The Giants should trade for Kenny Pickett.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

10 hours ago, shorepatrol said:

JFC. Cowboys aren’t this good and Giants aren’t this bad. Giants should fire someone over this though 

You don't fire someone after one week you dope.

The week 1 overreaction train is full speed ahead.

[shorepatrol 1,870]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

You don't fire someone after one week you dope.

The week 1 overreaction train is full speed ahead.

Sure you do. 
 

Yes, it is. 

[MDC 7,124]

Giants GM and Daboll were sort of unlucky to come on board last year. Ideally the Giants sucked under Judge for one more year, then the new regime comes in and cleans house. 

Instead they overachieve and are sort of forced to double down on mediocrity with Dimes and Saquon. The fanbase wasn’t going to accept a 4-5 win season after making the playoffs last year. Lot of this could have been avoided if they’d picked up Dimes’ 5th year option. 

I get that Dimes hasn’t really gotten a fair evaluation with that OL and receiver room. But it’s obvious he’s a low end starter anyway and the line is still terrible 5 years into his career.

The Cowboys are legit SB contenders and NYG are certainly better than they looked last night. But hitching their wagon to DJ was a mistake.

[Horseman 2,358]

Time for the New York Soccer Giants to figure out which QB to draft with their top 5 pick next year.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

25 minutes ago, MDC said:

Giants GM and Daboll were sort of unlucky to come on board last year. Ideally the Giants sucked under Judge for one more year, then the new regime comes in and cleans house. 

Instead they overachieve and are sort of forced to double down on mediocrity with Dimes and Saquon. The fanbase wasn’t going to accept a 4-5 win season after making the playoffs last year. Lot of this could have been avoided if they’d picked up Dimes’ 5th year option. 

I get that Dimes hasn’t really gotten a fair evaluation with that OL and receiver room. But it’s obvious he’s a low end starter anyway and the line is still terrible 5 years into his career.

The Cowboys are legit SB contenders and NYG are certainly better than they looked last night. But hitching their wagon to DJ was a mistake.

You can always tell who knows football and who doesn't when they base their opinions on 1 week.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

9 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Time for the New York Soccer Giants to figure out which QB to draft with their top 5 pick next year.

Cowgirls fans still dreaming about 1996.

Don't forget, your QB was the guy that led the league in INTs last season and won the same number of playoff games as DJ, and he makes more money than DJ.

[MDC 7,124]

10 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

You can always tell who knows football and who doesn't when they base their opinions on 1 week.

I’m not basing it on one week. I‘m basing it on the entirety of Daniel Jones career. 

[Horseman 2,358]

19 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Cowgirls fans still dreaming about 1996.

Don't forget, your QB was the guy that led the league in INTs last season and won the same number of playoff games as DJ, and he makes more money than DJ.

Whatever you need to do to not deal with the present.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’m not basing it on one week. I‘m basing it on the entirety of Daniel Jones career. 

OK, well then that makes you even more stupid.  If you look at his career, you can see that he has the tools to be a good QB, but he went through several coaching changes during his career.  Last year was the make it or break it year, good coach, good OC, and he responded with a QB7 in QBR finish, leading the league in INT%, QB6 in comp%, top 5 in rushing yards, top 5 in rushing TDs, and top half in success rate and rating.  He took his team to the playoffs with his WR1 being a guy they picked off another teams practice squad, and he went on the road and won a playoff game.  So he performed as a top level QB, but you're calling him a low end starter.  So now tell me, how does someone say DJ is a low end starter based on his 2022 season and claim they know football?

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, Horseman said:

Whatever you need to do to not deal with the present.  

Who says I'm not dealing with it?  We got our asses kicked last night, everything went wrong and we played terrible.  Next week we go to Arizona and will be better.  We're not getting a top 5 draft pick and drafting a QB, moron.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,930]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

OK, well then that makes you even more stupid.  If you look at his career, you can see that he has the tools to be a good QB, but he went through several coaching changes during his career.  Last year was the make it or break it year, good coach, good OC, and he responded with a QB7 in QBR finish, leading the league in INT%, QB6 in comp%, top 5 in rushing yards, top 5 in rushing TDs, and top half in success rate and rating.  He took his team to the playoffs with his WR1 being a guy they picked off another teams practice squad, and he went on the road and won a playoff game.  So he performed as a top level QB, but you're calling him a low end starter.  So now tell me, how does someone say DJ is a low end starter based on his 2022 season and claim they know football?

He spent  last season not airing it out, taking the easy stuff underneath. He did what was asked last year and took what was available. It’s not a formula for long term success. It’s time for him to start pushing the ball downfield. He has shown he can do it, but the OL better get it together or forget it. Especially Neal, who is moving towards bust status. 

[Horseman 2,358]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Who says I'm not dealing with it?  We got our asses kicked last night, everything went wrong and we played terrible.  Next week we go to Arizona and will be better.  We're not getting a top 5 draft pick and drafting a QB, moron.

Never thought I'd see a NFL game that you knew was over after the first quarter. 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

8.4  

[Voltaire 5,186]

It sucks for the Giants they got their asses kicked on national TV by a longstanding dividson rival. But it is what it is. Review the game tape, fix what can be fixed, try to cover for what can't, and move on.

I was like, "I hope we don't have to play the Cowboys this year," so I looked it up. I know the Lions' first eight games until the bye and the Vikings are 2 of the last 3 weeks. The NFC North has the AFC West, and NFC South,  we also have the AFC Ravens which I'm not keen on, six division rivals but the rest is a blur. Do we play the Cowboys? Oh sh*t, there they are. I'd rather dial up the Giants or Redskins.

No Eagles or 49ers, somebody do us a solid and please take them out, thanks.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He spent  last season not airing it out, taking the easy stuff underneath. He did what was asked last year and took what was available. It’s not a formula for long term success. It’s time for him to start pushing the ball downfield. He has shown he can do it, but the OL better get it together or forget it. Especially Neal, who is moving towards bust status. 

Jones ypa was 6.8 last year and his aypa was middle of the pack, but like you said, that's the offense.  I expect his ypa to go up this season, considering he has weapons now and was pff's QB7 in deep passing performance in 2022.

[MDC 7,124]

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

OK, well then that makes you even more stupid.  If you look at his career, you can see that he has the tools to be a good QB, but he went through several coaching changes during his career.  Last year was the make it or break it year, good coach, good OC, and he responded with a QB7 in QBR finish, leading the league in INT%, QB6 in comp%, top 5 in rushing yards, top 5 in rushing TDs, and top half in success rate and rating.  He took his team to the playoffs with his WR1 being a guy they picked off another teams practice squad, and he went on the road and won a playoff game.  So he performed as a top level QB, but you're calling him a low end starter.  So now tell me, how does someone say DJ is a low end starter based on his 2022 season and claim they know football?

The Giants were also 25th in passing attempts, 26th in passing yards and 18th in points per game despite being 4th in rushing.

Personally I agree with you though: Danny Dines is fantastic. He’ll eventually put it all together. And if that takes another 7-8 seasons so be it.  

[Reality 3,096]

13 minutes ago, MDC said:

The Giants were also 25th in passing attempts, 26th in passing yards and 18th in points per game despite being 4th in rushing.

Personally I agree with you though: Danny Dines is fantastic. He’ll eventually put it all together. And if that takes another 7-8 seasons so be it.  

You should trust the process.

[MDC 7,124]

4 minutes ago, Reality said:

You should trust the process.

You say many stupid things.  

[jerryskids 6,559]

4 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

You can always tell who knows football and who doesn't when they base their opinions on 1 week.

Everyone loses and you don't fire someone for every loss.  But that offensive line performance was pathetic.  No effort, no pride, just said "thank you sir may I have another" all night.  

Cards defense sacked Howell 6 times yesterday; Gannon brought a lot of pressure.  If the Giants line doesn't look much better this week, the line coach should probably go.

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

3 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Jones ypa was 6.8 last year and his aypa was middle of the pack, but like you said, that's the offense.  I expect his ypa to go up this season, considering he has weapons now and was pff's QB7 in deep passing performance in 2022.

they've been saying "he has weapons now" for years. Toney and Wan'dale Robinson both got hype as rookies, now it's Jalin Hyatt. Golladay was brought in and busted. I don't think a healthy Waller will bust but at some point, Danny has to make guys better as opposed to waiting for guys to come along and make him look better 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,930]

4 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

they've been saying "he has weapons now" for years. Toney and Wan'dale Robinson both got hype as rookies, now it's Jalin Hyatt. Golladay was brought in and busted. I don't think a healthy Waller will bust but at some point, Danny has to make guys better as opposed to waiting for guys to come along and make him look better 

Yup. But I’d leave Hyatt out of the hype claim. He’s a third round pick that made a play on the preseason. They passed on G Pickens for Wan’Dale. I did not like that. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,930]

Here the deal with the Giants: They aren’t pathetic like they used to be, but they are a ways away from being a top team. As long as they are going 0-4 vs Dallas and Philly every year, the rest is just schedule filler. They’ll win some, lose some, but in the end they aren’t doing a damn thing until they are competitive in the division. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

9 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

they've been saying "he has weapons now" for years. Toney and Wan'dale Robinson both got hype as rookies, now it's Jalin Hyatt. Golladay was brought in and busted. I don't think a healthy Waller will bust but at some point, Danny has to make guys better as opposed to waiting for guys to come along and make him look better 

Agreed.  I think we can all see now that Toney is a bum.  He had one good game, against the Cowboys ironically, but even Mahomes can't make this dude good.  Wandale never got a chance to get going, tore his ACL.  Golladay was a bum the day he left Detroit, and you can see now he's unemployed.

He's got weapons now, and supposedly has a decent line.  Last year he took a leap forward, this year was another step, we'll see if it happens.  So far he's stumbled out the gate.  If he plays like he did last night for a few more games, he's benched.  No reason to think that will happen.

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yup. But I’d leave Hyatt out of the hype claim. He’s a third round pick that made a play on the preseason. They passed on G Pickens for Wan’Dale. I did not like that. 

all the Giants fans around me were calling it a steal of a pick because he's a Biletnikoff winner with a 4.4 40 time who put up numbers at Tennessee.    I liked the pick better than the Robinson pick last year, but do not think he will elevate Jones 

Jones is starting year 5? I think he has some skill but it's to the point where as a fan, i'd like to see him making the players around him better instead of continuing to blame the lack of playmakers for his lack of success. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,930]

6 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

all the Giants fans around me were calling it a steal of a pick because he's a Biletnikoff winner with a 4.4 40 time who put up numbers at Tennessee.    I liked the pick better than the Robinson pick last year, but do not think he will elevate Jones 

Jones is starting year 5? I think he has some skill but it's to the point where as a fan, i'd like to see him making the players around him better instead of continuing to blame the lack of playmakers for his lack of success. 

You Are correct. He’s a an excellent runner. But it’s time to sling it with the big boys. And that means down the field consistently. I think he can. We’ll find out. 

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Agreed.  I think we can all see now that Toney is a bum.  He had one good game, against the Cowboys ironically, but even Mahomes can't make this dude good.  Wandale never got a chance to get going, tore his ACL.  Golladay was a bum the day he left Detroit, and you can see now he's unemployed.

He's got weapons now, and supposedly has a decent line.  Last year he took a leap forward, this year was another step, we'll see if it happens.  So far he's stumbled out the gate.  If he plays like he did last night for a few more games, he's benched.  No reason to think that will happen.

I think last night was far more on the offensive line than it was on Jones. Maybe even on the play calling. I remember a designed QB run on 3rd and 3 that resulted in a punt. Seemed like a very odd call when, I think, it was still 26-0 and not totally lost yet. 

They will not be benching him. It would have to be an utter train wreck for that to happen. 

 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Just now, WhiteWonder said:

I think last night was far more on the offensive line than it was on Jones. Maybe even on the play calling. I remember a designed QB run on 3rd and 3 that resulted in a punt. Seemed like a very odd call when, I think, it was still 26-0 and not totally lost yet. 

They will not be benching him. It would have to be an utter train wreck for that to happen. 

 

Last night was an utter train wreck. He does that 2 or 3 more times, something has to happen, but he won't.

Let's not forget, that first drive, then marched down the field, and they looked good.  Then you had a false start on Thomas, who didn't have a false start all last year.  Then you have a bad snap by the rookie center in the rain.  Then you kick the FG, but it's blocked, and then picked up and returned for a TD, and Thomas pulls his hammy chasing him down.  The whole game turned on a dime.  After the Saquon pass hit pick 6, it was all over, there is no coming back.  Dallas is built to play with the lead, NYG had no shot.