thegeneral 3,214 Posted September 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Do you Think Trump was guilty of what he was impeached for? The first one I could see an argument both ways. He did it, it was an abuse, his administration obstructed. Removing the Prez though is such an extraordinary step. Perhaps a censure or whatever they did to Clinton was more in order. The second one, the Senate should have finished him off. He was guilty there and that was the type of thing I would want a Prez removed for. That he lost and was going to be out is what also happened to save him IMO. Because he was leaving many Republicans punted the ball and if you could get them to tell the truth many of them assumed this would finish the guy of anyway so why damage the party and piss off his hardcore fans. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,281 Posted September 29, 2023 12 minutes ago, thegeneral said: The first one I could see an argument both ways. He did it, it was an abuse, his administration obstructed. Removing the Prez though is such an extraordinary step. Perhaps a censure or whatever they did to Clinton was more in order. The second one, the Senate should have finished him off. He was guilty there and that was the type of thing I would want a Prez removed for. That he lost and was going to be out is what also happened to save him IMO. Because he was leaving many Republicans punted the ball and if you could get them to tell the truth many of them assumed this would finish the guy of anyway so why damage the party and piss off his hardcore fans. IMO, it ranked lower than Iran-Contragate(which I think was absolutely impeachable), and deserved to be investigated - but censure was probably enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,433 Posted September 29, 2023 23 minutes ago, thegeneral said: The first one I could see an argument both ways. He did it, it was an abuse, his administration obstructed. Removing the Prez though is such an extraordinary step. Perhaps a censure or whatever they did to Clinton was more in order. The second one, the Senate should have finished him off. He was guilty there and that was the type of thing I would want a Prez removed for. That he lost and was going to be out is what also happened to save him IMO. Because he was leaving many Republicans punted the ball and if you could get them to tell the truth many of them assumed this would finish the guy of anyway so why damage the party and piss off his hardcore fans. I guess they didn’t have the evidence. But you were good with playing it out anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,025 Posted September 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I guess they didn’t have the evidence. But you were good with playing it out anyway. It's the liberal way. They got nothing else to do in life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,214 Posted September 29, 2023 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: I guess they didn’t have the evidence. But you were good with playing it out anyway. Sure. The party that has the majority gets the control of investigations. That’s how it works. It’s funny watching the same arguments made a couple years ago being flipped now. Do you think Trump should have been convicted after either of his impeachment trials? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,433 Posted September 29, 2023 20 minutes ago, thegeneral said: Sure. The party that has the majority gets the control of investigations. That’s how it works. It’s funny watching the same arguments made a couple years ago being flipped now. Do you think Trump should have been convicted after either of his impeachment trials? Of course not. You gotta be a complete Fockin idiot to think that. What did he do as far as Ukraine goes? Asked a completely corrupt country to look into the corruption, not demand they fire the guy looking into it like Biden did, without authorization mind you. What did they say he did the second time? Told people to riot? No he didn’t. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,214 Posted September 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Of course not. You gotta be a complete Fockin idiot to think that. What did he do as far as Ukraine goes? Asked a completely corrupt country to look into the corruption, not demand they fire the guy looking into it like Biden did, without authorization mind you. What did they say he did the second time? Told people to riot? No he didn’t. A good summary They finished I think like 10 votes short in Senate. Mitch basically said he wouldn’t vote for it because he’s no longer going to be Prez. That dog don’t hunt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,433 Posted September 29, 2023 1 minute ago, thegeneral said: A good summary They finished I think like 10 votes short in Senate. Mitch basically said he wouldn’t vote for it because he’s no longer going to be Prez. That dog don’t hunt. Wikipedia. Good grief. Why don’t you go ahead and summarize. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,214 Posted September 29, 2023 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: Wikipedia. Good grief. Why don’t you go ahead and summarize. Because they do it nicely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizkneelande 1,101 Posted September 29, 2023 2 hours ago, thegeneral said: To have a powerful DC name associated with them? To have them do things for them? If there is all this evidence then it will be very easy to make an actual case. They don’t have that at this time. If they do I will listen to what they have. Do what things? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,214 Posted September 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said: Do what things? Who knows? That’s the argument they are trying to make. They haven’t done it yet they said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,272 Posted September 29, 2023 4 hours ago, RLLD said: Correct. I never objected to it. So that was all good for me, now that we agree let's take a look at these really unusual money situations with the Bidens..... Zero problem with the investigation. If it turns out that Biden did somehow receive this money while he was VP, I'd support impeachment and removal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,272 Posted September 29, 2023 19 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said: Do what things? The same things Donald Duck did right out in the open when he was president and you didn't GAF about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizkneelande 1,101 Posted September 29, 2023 2 hours ago, RLLD said: For the same reason they sought and bought Menendez, for access to his power and ability to influence political decisions. This is not that complex. At least the Bidens put in the effort to build a mob-eqse structure....Menendez is either stupid or wildly arrogant to not have also used that same criminal design to shield him. They can’t seem to admit this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizkneelande 1,101 Posted September 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, Fnord said: The same things Donald Duck did right out in the open when he was president and you didn't GAF about. Trump sold access? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,272 Posted September 29, 2023 Just now, Dizkneelande said: Trump sold access? How much money do you figure he made when overseas nationals reserved giant lots of rooms at his posh properties while he was POTUS? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dizkneelande 1,101 Posted September 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Fnord said: How much money do you figure he made when overseas nationals reserved giant lots of rooms at his posh properties while he was POTUS? I’m pretty sure based on actual figures that his net worth dropped considerably while he served office. Biden got filthy rich. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,272 Posted September 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said: I’m pretty sure based on actual figures that his net worth dropped considerably while he served office. Biden got filthy rich. His net worth dropped because his brand suffered bigly due to his incompetence and pugnacity. And you can't back up the Biden is filthy rich claim. If Biden actually did this shlt, I'm on record saying remove him from office. What gets me is how people like you just excuse everything done by 'your guy' despite mountains of evidence of impropriety, yet are fully convinced that the 'other side' is stone-cold guilty, with far less actual evidence. Seems partisan, inconsistent, and extremely hypocritical. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,908 Posted September 29, 2023 This is good https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cxvp1dlxUWA/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,433 Posted September 29, 2023 1 hour ago, thegeneral said: Who knows? That’s the argument they are trying to make. They haven’t done it yet they said. Get a prosecutor fired that’s looking into corruption that involves his crime family? Disbanding the FBI China task force? There’s a couple of things. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,214 Posted September 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Get a prosecutor fired that’s looking into corruption that involves his crime family? Disbanding the FBI China task force? There’s a couple of things. Then why did Turley say there were no impeachable crimes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted September 29, 2023 54 minutes ago, Fnord said: How much money do you figure he made when overseas nationals reserved giant lots of rooms at his posh properties while he was POTUS? So it is then your position, that there is enough smoke on this element to justify an investigation....and the Democrats and DOJ actually did nothing to pursue it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted September 29, 2023 None of this is for the hard line radicals we have here on the left. We know you guys are never changing your minds. This is for the other 75% of independents & conservatives. Normal people who care about corruption. Biden says he never spoke to his son's business partners, that alone is a massive lie that's already been proven. Money was paid directly to Joe Biden's residence, literally. They know they can explain anything away to the radical 25%, they know they have you. This isn't about you. Selling political influence is illegal at the least, treasonous at the worst. All I know is Joe better keep Hunter happy, the moment he isn't, Joe is completely and historically focked. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,524 Posted September 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, Reality said: None of this is for the hard line radicals we have here on the left. We know you guys are never changing your minds. This is for the other 75% of independents & conservatives. Normal people who care about corruption. Biden says he never spoke to his son's business partners, that alone is a massive lie that's already been proven. Money was paid directly to Joe Biden's residence, literally. They know they can explain anything away to the radical 25%, they know they have you. This isn't about you. Selling political influence is illegal at the least, treasonous at the worst. All I know is Joe better keep Hunter happy, the moment he isn't, Joe is completely and historically focked. Joe will leave Hunter out to dry to save his own butt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 5,281 Posted September 29, 2023 Caught red-handed came about from killers being caught with blood still on their hands...shouldn't the headline read he was caught green-handed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,433 Posted September 29, 2023 24 minutes ago, Reality said: None of this is for the hard line radicals we have here on the left. We know you guys are never changing your minds. This is for the other 75% of independents & conservatives. Normal people who care about corruption. Biden says he never spoke to his son's business partners, that alone is a massive lie that's already been proven. Money was paid directly to Joe Biden's residence, literally. They know they can explain anything away to the radical 25%, they know they have you. This isn't about you. Selling political influence is illegal at the least, treasonous at the worst. All I know is Joe better keep Hunter happy, the moment he isn't, Joe is completely and historically focked. Great post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,545 Posted September 29, 2023 53 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said: Caught red-handed came about from killers being caught with blood still on their hands...shouldn't the headline read he was caught green-handed? No because as the libs here constantly remind us language changes and evolves, which is why men can be women now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted September 29, 2023 18 minutes ago, Strike said: No because as the libs here constantly remind us language changes and evolves, which is why men can be women now. Redefining terms can be great fun! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Horseshoe 348 Posted September 29, 2023 6 hours ago, thegeneral said: The first one I could see an argument both ways. He did it, it was an abuse, his administration obstructed. Removing the Prez though is such an extraordinary step. Perhaps a censure or whatever they did to Clinton was more in order. “ ‘Ambassador Taylor recalls that Mr. Morrison told Ambassador Taylor that I told Mr. Morrison that I conveyed this message to Mr. Yermak on Sept. 1, 2019, in connection with Vice President Pence’s visit to Warsaw and a meeting with President Zelensky,’ .....We’ve got six people having four conversations in one sentence, and you just told me this is where you got your ‘clear understanding’ .....This is what I can’t believe....And you’re [the Democrats’] star witness! You’re their first witness. Based on this. I’ve seen church prayer chains that are easier to understand than this.” - Jim Jordan reading a transcript of Ambassador Sondland's sworn testimony Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Horseshoe 348 Posted September 29, 2023 6 hours ago, thegeneral said: The second one, the Senate should have finished him off. He was guilty there and that was the type of thing I would want a Prez removed for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Horseshoe 348 Posted September 29, 2023 6 hours ago, thegeneral said: The first one I could see an argument both ways. He did it, it was an abuse, his administration obstructed. Removing the Prez though is such an extraordinary step. Perhaps a censure or whatever they did to Clinton was more in order. The second one, the Senate should have finished him off. He was guilty there and that was the type of thing I would want a Prez removed for. That he lost and was going to be out is what also happened to save him IMO. Because he was leaving many Republicans punted the ball and if you could get them to tell the truth many of them assumed this would finish the guy of anyway so why damage the party and piss off his hardcore fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Horseshoe 348 Posted September 29, 2023 7 hours ago, thegeneral said: The first one I could see an argument both ways. He did it, it was an abuse, his administration obstructed. Removing the Prez though is such an extraordinary step. Perhaps a censure or whatever they did to Clinton was more in order. The second one, the Senate should have finished him off. He was guilty there and that was the type of thing I would want a Prez removed for. That he lost and was going to be out is what also happened to save him IMO. Because he was leaving many Republicans punted the ball and if you could get them to tell the truth many of them assumed this would finish the guy of anyway so why damage the party and piss off his hardcore fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Horseshoe 348 Posted September 29, 2023 7 hours ago, thegeneral said: The first one I could see an argument both ways. He did it, it was an abuse, his administration obstructed. Removing the Prez though is such an extraordinary step. Perhaps a censure or whatever they did to Clinton was more in order. The second one, the Senate should have finished him off. He was guilty there and that was the type of thing I would want a Prez removed for. That he lost and was going to be out is what also happened to save him IMO. Because he was leaving many Republicans punted the ball and if you could get them to tell the truth many of them assumed this would finish the guy of anyway so why damage the party and piss off his hardcore fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,214 Posted September 29, 2023 If we are posting YouTube vids get some of those ones were people listen to great music like say Pink Floyd Time for the first time and give reactions. I love those. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites