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Hey guys I need some quick info. We have an employee who said their wife got into a car accident and had to leave work. Can we legally check CAD (computer automated dispatch) to see if they were lying or telling the truth? Cause this employee has thrown up a lot of red flags so we want to check but make sure it’s legal. 

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CAD notes are generally subject to demands under the Colorado Open Records Act though they may be subject to partial redaction if there is protected health care or health insurance information included in the notes.  I can't speak for other jurisdictions.

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If you have to validate an employee's wife getting into a car accident, it's probably time to let them go anyway for performance reasons.

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7 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

If you have to validate an employee's wife getting into a car accident, it's probably time to let them go anyway for performance reasons.

This is the first time it’s happened so we want to check. But we want to make sure it’s legal first cause they’ve had someone lie about it in the past so we want to make sure 

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11 minutes ago, Stryker Ryker said:

This is the first time it’s happened so we want to check. But we want to make sure it’s legal first cause they’ve had someone lie about it in the past so we want to make sure 

Is he using personal or vacation time to leave?

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9 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Is he using personal or vacation time to leave?

No he clocked out, ran to get his wife and take her home, then came back up here. Spent 1 1/2 hrs out of the office. 

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So a guy has red flags

He claimed his wife got in an accident and was gone for 90 minutes

He appears to have not done things like this in the past

 

The story so far isn't really justifying mistrust. What are the red flags?

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I mean let's say you look into it and it comes back with no incident report.  What are you guys going to do?  Accuse him of lying?  Even if he is lying, he'll just say they didn't file a police report won't he?

Do you guys even know what to look for?  Do you know his wife's name?  

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Just now, nobody said:

So a guy has red flags

He claimed his wife got in an accident and was gone for 90 minutes

He appears to have not done things like this in the past

 

The story so far isn't really justifying mistrust. What are the red flags?

Constant bathroom breaks that last 20 minutes. Saying he was giving his wife his debit card at a gas station but no one saw his wife & he went to the back of the gas station & then came back around from the opposite side. I guess the medical director here has had druggies in the past so he wants to make sure this guy isn’t lying. I just need to know if it’s legal or not. We ain’t tryna get sued 

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Just now, nobody said:

I mean let's say you look into it and it comes back with no incident report.  What are you guys going to do?  Accuse him of lying?  Even if he is lying, he'll just say they didn't file a police report won't he?

There’s either gotta be a police report or a towing receipt. 

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So I'm sure you have a "random" drug test policy.  Just go drug test everyone.  

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If he clocked out then I don't see an issue.  As long as his quality of work is not affected, I say it's none of your business.

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1 minute ago, Stryker Ryker said:

There’s either gotta be a police report or a towing receipt. 

So it comes back with no report and you're going to ask for a tow receipt?  

Crack squad of management you guys have over there.

 

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Imagine working for these goofballs.  You get a case of the shìts and next thing you know, you're being tailed by a private investigator.

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Depends on the gender/race. If it’s a white Christian male, just give the boot. If it’s one of the others dot your I’s and cross your t’s. 

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11 minutes ago, nobody said:

So it comes back with no report and you're going to ask for a tow receipt?  

Crack squad of management you guys have over there.

 

I agree. Which is why I’m curious to see if it’s legal. Cause I find it asinine and seems to me to be opening up legal recourse. But if they leave work aren’t supposed to provide an “excuse”? I mean this is his FIRST time even leaving work. His quality of work is fine & there’s literally NO other problems. Basically, I’m wanting to see if they’re breaking the law cause they are I’m leaving & working elsewhere 

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Why does the legality come in to play if deciding if you want to continue working there?  Just the fact that they'd consider it would give me pause.

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25 minutes ago, Gladiators said:

The medical director should consult an HR attorney.

I assume they have an HR Dept.  These incidents should all be logged, and a report should be made to HR.  Then his manager should say his performance is subpar and he's being put on a performance plan.  If it continues, fire him.

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24 minutes ago, nobody said:

Imagine working for these goofballs.  You get a case of the shìts and next thing you know, you're being tailed by a private investigator.

Next thing they are gonna demand to see pics of the bruises on the wife after the accident.

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14 minutes ago, Stryker Ryker said:

I agree. Which is why I’m curious to see if it’s legal. Cause I find it asinine and seems to me to be opening up legal recourse. But if they leave work aren’t supposed to provide an “excuse”? I mean this is his FIRST time even leaving work. His quality of work is fine & there’s literally NO other problems. Basically, I’m wanting to see if they’re breaking the law cause they are I’m leaving & working elsewhere 

The quality of work is fine, he's got no problems, then what's the issue?

Do you time everyone while they're taking a sh1t?

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1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

The quality of work is fine, he's got no problems, then what's the issue?

Do you time everyone while they're taking a sh1t?

I dunno if they do or not :dunno: just seemed illegal to me and like the ppl are purposely a-holes. But I would like to know if it’s illegal for them to be pulling up essentially their private info on the CAD or asking police departments about the wreck 

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I'm beginning to wonder whether Stryker Ryker is the employee who said his wife got into a car accident and left work.

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6 minutes ago, Gladiators said:

I'm beginning to wonder whether Stryker Ryker is the employee who said his wife got into a car accident and left work.

Nah I’m good. This is an LPN that works for us and quite frankly the only LPN I actually like there cause he works instead of chain smokes like the rest of the women here 😒

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If he's a good employee, give him the benefit of the doubt. Trusting your staff goes a long way as a manager. If you treat everyone this way, you'll have better results. You can also expect to get burned by a few that DGAF, but that's the cost of doing business. 

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9 minutes ago, Fnord said:

If he's a good employee, give him the benefit of the doubt. Trusting your staff goes a long way as a manager. If you treat everyone this way, you'll have better results. You can also expect to get burned by a few that DGAF, but that's the cost of doing business. 

My thing is, I like the guy and he’s done nothin but good work IMO. Hasn’t given me problems. Been on time every day. Leaves when he’s supposed to. Nice to everyone. Hasn’t missed work. But the MD talked to us providers and asked us what we thought about him cause he said, and I quote, “he has been going to the bathroom a lot when he works and will be in there a while”. I haven’t had that problem with him and he’s literally the ONLY one that I don’t have to track down to do his job like I do the women 😒 they’re CONSTANTLY on a smoke break and I’ve complained about that but “they’ve been here a while”. Either way, I don’t want my fav employee and the only one I can get to do actual work to be fired/quit and I’m left with just those women 😒 Hence, why I’m trying to see if it’s illegal for them to do that cause I don’t want him quitting or getting fired 

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1 minute ago, Stryker Ryker said:

My thing is, I like the guy and he’s done nothin but good work IMO. Hasn’t given me problems. Been on time every day. Leaves when he’s supposed to. Nice to everyone. Hasn’t missed work. But the MD talked to us providers and asked us what we thought about him cause he said, and I quote, “he has been going to the bathroom a lot when he works and will be in there a while”. I haven’t had that problem with him and he’s literally the ONLY one that I don’t have to track down to do his job like I do the women 😒 they’re CONSTANTLY on a smoke break and I’ve complained about that but “they’ve been here a while”. Either way, I don’t want my fav employee and the only one I can get to do actual work to be fired and I’m left with just those women 😒 Hence, why I’m trying to see if it’s illegal for them to do that cause I don’t want him quitting or getting fired 

If you like the guy, give him a heads up that mgmt is questioning his IBS.

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13 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

If you like the guy, give him a heads up that mgmt is questioning his IBS.

I’ve already given him that. I’m trying to help him by asking you guys cause I can’t find stuff in google and I don’t have the time to really research it. Was curious to see if you guys might’ve knew the answer off the cuff. Guy is a legit nice guy and literally the only LPN I like working with me. The other women are HORRIBLE at their job & SO lazy 😒 dirty as well cause they let trash & food all over our break room couch that ended up having tons of ants get on it cause they can’t clean up after themselves. It’s just a complete Sh1t show with those women and I’d rather they be fired than the guy 

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Whatever he was doing wasn’t being done on company paid time. What’s the issue? If he is clocking out too often to do stuff, then it doesn’t really matter if you believe his stories or not, you can have a conversation simply about clocking out and leaving too often and that alone can be detrimental to his work and proper cause to move on. 

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11 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Whatever he was doing wasn’t being done on company paid time. What’s the issue? If he is clocking out too often to do stuff, then it doesn’t really matter if you believe his stories or not, you can have a conversation simply about clocking out and leaving too often and that alone can be detrimental to his work and proper cause to move on. 

Common sense would tell you that right? Which is why I’m blown away by the fact that the MD is trying to get someone to look into the CAD system or call police departments to see if he was telling the truth. Or saying they want to see a towing receipt. The entire thing is insane to me and to y’all as well so I’m not the only one thinking “wow this guy is psychotic”. 

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5 minutes ago, Stryker Ryker said:

Common sense would tell you that right? Which is why I’m blown away by the fact that the MD is trying to get someone to look into the CAD system or call police departments to see if he was telling the truth. Or saying they want to see a towing receipt. The entire thing is insane to me and to y’all as well so I’m not the only one thinking “wow this guy is psychotic”. 

Well I guess I’m saying yes, looking into the CAD system and needing a towing receipt is ridiculous. This isn’t high school needing a doctors note and evidence. What he does on his own time is his business. Different story if he was salaried and leaving work to do random things. 
 

but the MD doesn’t even need to go to these lengths. If they feel he is leaving work too often or taking breaks that are longer than allowed, regardless if the guy is clocking out or not, that can be enough cause to let them go if the frequent breaks and “time off” are detrimental to the job. 

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3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Well I guess I’m saying yes, looking into the CAD system and needing a towing receipt is ridiculous. This isn’t high school needing a doctors note and evidence. What he does on his own time is his business. Different story if he was salaried and leaving work to do random things. 
 

but the MD doesn’t even need to go to these lengths. If they feel he is leaving work too often or taking breaks that are longer than allowed, regardless if the guy is clocking out or not, that can be enough cause to let them go if the frequent breaks and “time off” are detrimental to the job. 

That’s the thing. This is the ONLY time he left. Which also makes me wonder who they’re hiring that’s got them acting like that to where they “investigate” employees randomly like that. The MD I hardly even associate with cause he’s hardly ever on the floor. The LPN is paid by the hour so it gets into if he clocks out to do that & clocks back in to continue work after he got back can they request documentation proving it? If he has none, can they look into the CAD system or call police departments? I know if you’re sick they tend to want doctors notes if you miss work. But this situation is one I haven’t ever encountered and just seems illegal to me 

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It could be that the other chicks are squawking because they don't like him.  That's how some chicks operate in the workplace, I've noticed.  But it sounds like you might be some sort of front line manager, so I'd expect them to squawk to you.

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2 hours ago, Stryker Ryker said:

I agree. Which is why I’m curious to see if it’s legal. Cause I find it asinine and seems to me to be opening up legal recourse. But if they leave work aren’t supposed to provide an “excuse”? I mean this is his FIRST time even leaving work. His quality of work is fine & there’s literally NO other problems. Basically, I’m wanting to see if they’re breaking the law cause they are I’m leaving & working elsewhere 

Have you seen the applicant pool out there? In this labor market?

If the guy does an okay job stfu and mind your own business.

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My guess is he's having sex with random people in the Best Buy parking lot.

 

No one catch the reference?

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2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Have you seen the applicant market out there? In this labor market?

If the guy does an okay job stfu and mind your own business.

Did you even READ the posts? Or did you just come in here and start insulting without reading? You came in insulting without reading is what you did. Now why don’t you turn around, and go reread my posts dumbass. After that, come back and respond cause all u did was make urself sound like an idiot that didn’t read 

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My guess is he's sneaking off to attend a bunch of pro-palestine demonstrations.

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