Mass Shootings Maine

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On 10/27/2023 at 9:32 PM, Hawkeye21 said:

This is why people know so little about guns. They watch stupid people on talk shows or the “news.”

https://x.com/dc_draino/status/1718009849684930800?s=46

There is stupid and then there is Joy Behar stupid.  Her face needs to become an emoji meaning supercharged stupid, ... galactic stupid, ... atomic stupiud.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

16 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Everything is a conspiracy for some people.  https://x.com/JoeyMannarinoUS/status/1718249627730743332?s=20

First they said Robert Card shot and killed 22 people. Then they took it down to 18. Then the Democrats started calling for GUN CONTROL as usual. There’s no video available (just like “coke at the White House.”) And now he’s conveniently committed suicide. I’m not buying it.

You remind me of those idiots on fantasy radio. They take a tweet, doesn’t matter from who, and make a big deal out of it as if it’s really a thing.  Twitter isn’t real.  HTH. 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You remind me of those idiots on fantasy radio. They take a tweet, doesn’t matter from who, and make a big deal out of it as if it’s really a thing.  Twitter isn’t real.  HTH. 

These people exist though.  They believe there is something more to just about everything that happens.  We even have people like that here.  You're not real. HTH.

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7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

These people exist though.  They believe there is something more to just about everything that happens.  We even have people like that here.  You're not real. HTH.

You should be more concerned with the people that think men can menstruate that hold office. that you vote for, instead of some crackpots on Twitter that you have to seek out. 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You should be more concerned with the people that think men can menstruate that hold office. that you vote for, instead of some crackpots on Twitter that you have to seek out. 

What is wrong with you?  Seriously.  I never voted for anyone like that.

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5 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Yeah, kinda like when peefoam started a thread to whine about people leaving sad face emojis on his posts

Indeed

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28 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You remind me of those idiots on fantasy radio. They take a tweet, doesn’t matter from who, and make a big deal out of it as if it’s really a thing.  Twitter isn’t real.  HTH. 

Whoa, quite a statement from a bored righty!

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25 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What is wrong with you?  Seriously.  I never voted for anyone like that.

I thought you were a centrist? If you are, I would have to think you have voted for some democrats?

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I thought you were a centrist? If you are, I would have to think you have voted for some democrats?

Mostly independents and republicans.  I don't believe men can menstruate either.  I don't know why you would even bring that up in this thread.

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Mostly independents and republicans.  I don't believe men can menstruate either.  I don't know why you would even bring that up in this thread.

But you have voted for a democrat recently. And if you did, they believe it to be so.  It’s part of the Democratic Party platform. Perhaps you ought to read it before casting your vote for one? 

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1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Everything is a conspiracy for some people.  https://x.com/JoeyMannarinoUS/status/1718249627730743332?s=20

First they said Robert Card shot and killed 22 people. Then they took it down to 18. Then the Democrats started calling for GUN CONTROL as usual. There’s no video available (just like “coke at the White House.”) And now he’s conveniently committed suicide. I’m not buying it.

Wow.  2700 likes and counting in only 3 hours so far

[The Real timschochet 6,420]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Everything is a conspiracy for some people.  https://x.com/JoeyMannarinoUS/status/1718249627730743332?s=20

First they said Robert Card shot and killed 22 people. Then they took it down to 18. Then the Democrats started calling for GUN CONTROL as usual. There’s no video available (just like “coke at the White House.”) And now he’s conveniently committed suicide. I’m not buying it.

This is not a surprise. Gun nuts have got to be the stupidest people on Earth. For years they thought Sandy Hook was a hoax. They think their puny rifles will protect them from drones. And don’t dare mention the phrase “assault rifle” to them or they will immediately ask you to define one and then attempt to engage you in the most asinine argument other than perhaps from a Jehovah’s Witness at your doorstop that you’re ever likely to here. They are, as a group, largely total morons, which is why they also tend to be MAGA folks. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is not a surprise. Gun nuts have got to be the stupidest people on Earth. For years they thought Sandy Hook was a hoax. They think their puny rifles will protect them from drones. And don’t dare mention the phrase “assault rifle” to them or they will immediately ask you to define one and then attempt to engage you in the most asinine argument other than perhaps from a Jehovah’s Witness at your doorstop that you’re ever likely to here. They are, as a group, largely total morons, which is why they also tend to be MAGA folks. 

Gun nuts are not a very large group.  Plenty of normal gun owners, like many of us here, still find people stupid when they try to argue about guns.  I am not a gun nut but it drives me crazy when I here people argue about "assault rifles." 

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1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Gun nuts are not a very large group.  Plenty of normal gun owners, like many of us here, still find people stupid when they try to argue about guns.  I am not a gun nut but it drives me crazy when I here people argue about "assault rifles." 

They’re not stupid. They’re simply not knowledgeable because they don’t care. AR-15s and other similar weapons are more dangerous. If it was practicable at all they should all be banned (it’s not, unfortunately.) And don’t bother asking me how they are more dangerous or how they differ from .22s. I could explain but I don’t care because it’s a stupid discussion. 

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

They’re not stupid. They’re simply not knowledgeable because they don’t care. AR-15s and other similar weapons are more dangerous. If it was practicable at all they should all be banned (it’s not, unfortunately.) And don’t bother asking me how they are more dangerous or how they differ from .22s. I could explain but I don’t care because it’s a stupid discussion. 

Just stop.  You don't know what you're talking about.

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Just stop.  You don't know what you're talking about.

But I do. I’ve read about a million words on this subject and I’ve certainly read every argument you could possibly offer me. It’s boring. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

But I do. I’ve read about a million words on this subject and I’ve certainly read every argument you could possibly offer me. It’s boring. 

You either reading the wrong material or not comprehending it then.  I have yet to see you give a valid argument on the subject.

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

But I do. I’ve read about a million words on this subject and I’ve certainly read every argument you could possibly offer me. It’s boring. 

Reading a million words of garbage doesn't make you knowledgable. 

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7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Gun nuts are not a very large group.  Plenty of normal gun owners, like many of us here, still find people stupid when they try to argue about guns.  I am not a gun nut but it drives me crazy when I here people argue about "assault rifles." 

Correct, I just wish most of those same people would take the time to learn about mental illness.   They like to throw that around about as much as the left does "assualt rifle", but most of the time they can't talk about stats or differences in the shooters.    Both sides seem to have a boogeyman they don't understand or want to learn more about, but of course are convinced it's the one solution to the problem.  

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Just now, seafoam1 said:

Reading a million words of garbage doesn't make you knowledgable. 

Too bad. Otherwise your posts would have made me so much smarter. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Too bad. Otherwise your posts would have made me so much smarter. 

Good job changing subjects. Another fail by you. 

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2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You either reading the wrong material or not comprehending it then.  I have yet to see you give a valid argument on the subject.

Why bother? There are a zillion good articles on this subject. Here’s one: 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/why-the-ar-15-is-so-lethal/545162/

attempting to argue that AR-15s are no more deadly than traditional firearms is so silly, so incredibly asinine that it’s really not worth my time to rebut it. Others can and have. 

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8 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Just stop.  You don't know what you're talking about.

So an AR-15 isn’t more efficient at killing people than most handguns?

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2 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Both sides seem to have a boogeyman they don't understand or want to learn more about, but of course are convinced it's the one solution to the problem.

I use to think that banning guns was the answer.  I changed my stance on that over the years.  I don't know many gun advocates that think there's one solution to the problem.  I find gun advocates to be rather willing to work making improvements as long as it doesn't violate our rights.  I've seen far too many anti-gun people say they want guns banned and that's the end-all-be-all solution.

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4 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Correct, I just wish most of those same people would take the time to learn about mental illness.   They like to throw that around about as much as the left does "assualt rifle", but most of the time they can't talk about stats or differences in the shooters.    Both sides seem to have a boogeyman they don't understand or want to learn more about, but of course are convinced it's the one solution to the problem.  

Mental illness is a much more complicated and nuanced subject matter than the lethalness of AR-15s. I don’t think the gun nuts have the intellectual capacity to understand the basics of it. 

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Why bother? There are a zillion good articles on this subject. Here’s one: 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/why-the-ar-15-is-so-lethal/545162/

attempting to argue that AR-15s are no more deadly than traditional firearms is so silly, so incredibly asinine that it’s really not worth my time to rebut it. Others can and have. 

When you use terms like “traditional firearms” you certainly expose your ignorance on the subject.  

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20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

They’re not stupid. They’re simply not knowledgeable because they don’t care. AR-15s and other similar weapons are more dangerous. If it was practicable at all they should all be banned (it’s not, unfortunately.) And don’t bother asking me how they are more dangerous or how they differ from .22s. I could explain but I don’t care because it’s a stupid discussion. 

You mean how they differ from other .22's, right? 

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Mental illness is a much more complicated and nuanced subject matter than the lethalness of AR-15s. I don’t think the gun nuts have the intellectual capacity to understand the basics of it. 

You are having an off day....even for you. 

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

So an AR-15 isn’t more efficient at killing people than most handguns?

More people are killed with hand guns.  We all know this.  Also, that wasn't the argument I made earlier.  Why is a .22 rifle perfectly fine but the rifle I linked to earlier so much worse?  I never got a straight answer.  For some reason a different gun with different caliber gets brought up.

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Mental illness is a much more complicated and nuanced subject matter than the lethalness of AR-15s. I don’t think the gun nuts have the intellectual capacity to understand the basics of it. 

I think you mean lethality. And an AR, or any firearm, left untouched, is as lethal as a gnat. 

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6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So an AR-15 isn’t more efficient at killing people than most handguns?

No.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You either reading the wrong material or not comprehending it then.  I have yet to see you give a valid argument on the subject.

Question: have you ever personally fired a .22 AR-15? 

I am far from a gun enthusiast.  I had a 12 gauge shotgun when I was a teenager and I've fired a few different firearms over the years.  Firing my daughter's AR-15 (the .22 model that someone posted a link to from Cabela's) was literally like firing a BB gun vs her boyfriend's 9mm handgun and other larger caliber rifles.

Reading about a subject is one thing, but as with everything in life actually experiencing something gives a person a much better understanding vs parroting crap. 

Edit: replied to wrong post.  This question is for @The Real timschochet

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1 minute ago, DonS said:

Question: have you ever personally fired a .22 AR-15? 

I am far from a gun enthusiast.  I had a 12 gauge shotgun when I was a teenager and I've fired a few different firearms over the years.  Firing my daughter's AR-15 (the .22 model that someone posted a link to from Cabela's) was literally like firing a BB gun vs her boyfriend's 9mm handgun and other larger caliber rifles.

Reading about a subject is one thing, but as with everything in life actually experiencing something gives a person a much better understanding vs parroting crap. 

I have not but I have a standard .22 rifle.  My point is that the AR-15 .22 rifle is not any more powerful.  It's still just a .22 rifle and is used for plinking and shooting small game.  It just looks intimidating like a military type rifle.

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14 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I use to think that banning guns was the answer.  I changed my stance on that over the years.  I don't know many gun advocates that think there's one solution to the problem.  I find gun advocates to be rather willing to work making improvements as long as it doesn't violate our rights.  I've seen far too many anti-gun people say they want guns banned and that's the end-all-be-all solution.

Not one solution, but they do mainly only want to talk mental illness.   But like I said, they aren't educated about it and don't seem to want to.   (but of course demand the other side of the debate knows everything about guns to even talk to them.   )

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Just now, BuckSwope said:

Not one solution, but they do mainly only want to talk mental illness.   But like I said, they aren't educated about it and don't seem to want to.  

It's a people problem.  It always has been and always will be.

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I have not but I have a standard .22 rifle.  My point is that the AR-15 .22 rifle is not any more powerful.  It's still just a .22 rifle and is used for plinking and shooting small game.  It just looks intimidating like a military type rifle.

I edited my post when I realized I responded to you vs your response to Real Tim.   I know you understand that a .22 AR-15 just looks scary. 

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2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I have not but I have a standard .22 rifle.  My point is that the AR-15 .22 rifle is not any more powerful.  It's still just a .22 rifle and is used for plinking and shooting small game.  It just looks intimidating like a military type rifle.

This is true. An AR chambered in .22 LR is only cosmetically different from a Ruger 10/22. 

They fire the same round with similar ballistic capabilities. 

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17 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So an AR-15 isn’t more efficient at killing people than most handguns?

I was going to suggest it to @GutterBoy as well since he listens to podcasts - Revisionist History just had a series on guns that brought up some great points, and at least one of the episodes was talking through some of this stuff.     In there they were talking to surgeons saying how and why handguns were more deadly - a lot to do with being able to get closer, head shots more likely, a rifle tends to knock people down making a follow up shot less deadly, etc..      They also talk about just how nonsensical these suggest AR bans are because they really are just specific pieces, not the platform, and it still leaves 100s of guns still out there just as deadly and perfectly legal.     

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6 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It's a people problem.  It always has been and always will be.

Thanks for demonstrating my point.    We've already gone down this road, and I lump you in with that side of the equation.     Never any specifics or solutions, just "fix people" or it's "mental illness".     Also, IMO, you guys always sidestepping that the efficiency of guns also plays a role makes you look as dumb as some of these guys talking about guns and gun bans.    

Anybody who types "they will just use X" (where X is not a gun) should probably also be crossed off the list of people wanting to have a serious discussion.   

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3 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I was going to suggest it to @GutterBoy as well since he listens to podcasts - Revisionist History just had a series on guns that brought up some great points, and at least one of the episodes was talking through some of this stuff.     In there they were talking to surgeons saying how and why handguns were more deadly - a lot to do with being able to get closer, head shots more likely, a rifle tends to knock people down making a follow up shot less deadly, etc..      They also talk about just how nonsensical these suggest AR bans are because they really are just specific pieces, not the platform, and it still leaves 100s of guns still out there just as deadly and perfectly legal.     

As I pointed out to GutterBoy earlier in this thread. So it starts with a ban on so called "assault rifles" and when that doesn't prevent future nut jobs from choosing a different tool, we have to ban those as well. And so on, and so on.... 

It's best not to even start down that road.