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19 hours ago, Cruzer said:

Def one of the most out there theories I’ve heard… I firmly believe LHO never even fired a shot, nor do I think he killed Tippit. 

It may not be as far out there as you think at first glance. I became convinced of this while watching a documentary on LHO. They explained how he tried multiple times to get John Connolly to expunge his record because it kept him from being able to earn a living. Connolly was the head of the Navy department at the time and Oswald wrote a plea directly to him. Only to get brushed off and told no. Then there is the fact Oswalds wife literally told the Warren Commission that she thought his target was Connolly and another commission on Assassination's in 78 she said the same thing.  Hs OWN wife said Kennedy was not the target. If ANYONE would know who he bitchedd about and had a grudge against it would be his wife. 

Oswald was discharged honorably but the discharge was changed to dishonorable years later retroactively when he  tried to defect to Russia. When he became disaffected in Russia and wanted to return he wrote the letter and was rejected. 

 

It sucks to think that killing Kennedy was an accident but I firmly believe it was. I 100 percent believe he was targeting Connolly. 

 

 

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23 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

I became convinced of this while watching a documentary on LHO. They explained how he tried multiple times to get John Connolly to expunge his record because it kept him from being able to earn a living. Connolly was the head of the Navy department at the time and Oswald wrote a plea directly to him. Only to get brushed off and told no. Then there is the fact Oswalds wife literally told the Warren Commission that his target was Connolly and another commission on Assassination's in 78 she said the same thing.  Hs OWN wife said Kennedy was not the target.  Oswald was discharged honorably but the discharge was changed to dishonorable years later retroactively when he  tried to defect to Russia. When he became disaffected in Russia and wanted to return he wrote the letter and was rejected. 

 

It sucks to think that killing Kennedy was an accident but I firmly believe it was. I 100 percent believe he was targeting Connolly. 

 

Oswald was trained to be a defector along with about a dozen others in North Carolina.  Oswald was allowed back in the country and was put in the custody of a CIA asset George de Mohrenschildt in New Orleans.  When they needed Oswald in Dallas, Oswald was passed off to the Paines. 

The idea that an ex-Marine could defect to the Soviet Union after having access to top secret information on the U2 spy program, publicly declare to the Russians that he would disclose it....then recieve assistance from our state department to get to Russia in first class accommodations, and then recieve assistance getting home is lunacy.   The official story is a complete lie that does not add up.  

This lone nut whose intelligence fingerprints were all over, just happens to get a job on the presidential parade route a few months before while being continuously monitored by various intelligence agencies, and who was being impersonated all over the place is an impossible story. But yet it is in our history books, at least the highly sanitized version.  I can not believe our system is so corrupt that no one in power dares question it.  Oh Nixon tried and that did not last long.  I think Carter may have also tried, but was quieted by a not too publicized assassination attempt.  If you look at the names of the alledged assassins it is very telling.

https://www.historyonthenet.com/raymond-lee-harvey

(Raymond Lee Harvey and Osvaldo Espinosa Ortiz).

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31 minutes ago, jonmx said:

 

Oswald was trained to be a defector along with about a dozen others in North Carolina.  Oswald was allowed back in the country and was put in the custody of a CIA asset George de Mohrenschildt in New Orleans.  When they needed Oswald in Dallas, Oswald was passed off to the Paines. 

The idea that an ex-Marine could defect to the Soviet Union after having access to top secret information on the U2 spy program, publicly declare to the Russians that he would disclose it....then recieve assistance from our state department to get to Russia in first class accommodations, and then recieve assistance getting home is lunacy.   The official story is a complete lie that does not add up.  

This lone nut whose intelligence fingerprints were all over, just happens to get a job on the presidential parade route a few months before while being continuously monitored by various intelligence agencies, and who was being impersonated all over the place is an impossible story. But yet it is in our history books, at least the highly sanitized version.  I can not believe our system is so corrupt that no one in power dares question it.  Oh Nixon tried and that did not last long.  I think Carter may have also tried, but was quieted by a not too publicized assassination attempt.  If you look at the names of the alledged assassins it is very telling.

https://www.historyonthenet.com/raymond-lee-harvey

(Raymond Lee Harvey and Osvaldo Espinosa Ortiz).

Mares like oats and does like oats and I'll be home by Christmas. 

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12 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

Mares like oats and does like oats and I'll be home by Christmas. 

And monkeys are conditioned to stare into the monolith and believe all the propaganda the establishment elitists feeds them.  

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15 minutes ago, jonmx said:

And monkeys are conditioned to stare into the monolith and believe all the propaganda the establishment elitists feeds them.  

Oh. Sorry. You are correct. MY conspiracy theory is propaganda yours is the real one.. Got it Art Bell

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1 hour ago, kilroy69 said:

It may not be as far out there as you think at first glance. I became convinced of this while watching a documentary on LHO. They explained how he tried multiple times to get John Connolly to expunge his record because it kept him from being able to earn a living. Connolly was the head of the Navy department at the time and Oswald wrote a plea directly to him. Only to get brushed off and told no. Then there is the fact Oswalds wife literally told the Warren Commission that she thought his target was Connolly and another commission on Assassination's in 78 she said the same thing.  Hs OWN wife said Kennedy was not the target. If ANYONE would know who he bitchedd about and had a grudge against it would be his wife. 

Oswald was discharged honorably but the discharge was changed to dishonorable years later retroactively when he  tried to defect to Russia. When he became disaffected in Russia and wanted to return he wrote the letter and was rejected. 

 

It sucks to think that killing Kennedy was an accident but I firmly believe it was. I 100 percent believe he was targeting Connolly. 

 

 

To pair with jonmx’s points - LHO never actually defected to Russia as the narrative is painted. Here is an excerpt piece explaining such: 

 

Lee Harvey Oswald did not defect to the Soviet Union.

In the 50s and early 60s the United States was running fake defector programmes; basically spies pretending to be defectors. Oswald was part of this and he went on a mission for the Office of Naval Intelligence.

At the height of the Cold War, you would think that a real defector who returns to the US with a Russian wife would at least be arrested and questioned. Not so in Oswald’s case.

Instead he is given a job at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall, a firm that made maps of photos taken from US spy planes. The Pentagon and CIA saw missiles in Cuba thanks to the work of patriots like Lee Harvey Oswald.

Angry lone nut Commie? Not at all. You need intelligence clearance to work at a company dealing with such sensitive information.

No wonder Oswald’s files are still locked away after all these years.

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16 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

Oh. Sorry. You are correct. MY conspiracy theory is propaganda yours is the real one.. Got it Art Bell

Lol...I really had no idea what was meant by your post. 

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@kilroy69 - of course I’m not presenting my beliefs as fact, just supporting info to explain why I believe the way I do, why I think Oswald never fired a shot and was set up from day 1. 

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The most amazing thing is, they had the case wrapped up and in a bow within hours of the shooting.   My grandparents had a newspaper saved from that Saturday morning after and it was already a certainty that it was Oswald and Oswald alone firing three shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD.   We had photos of Oswald holding both weapons with pro-commie newspapers, information he was trying to re-defect to Cuba.

We did not need to review all the photos, interview all the witnesses, or see the official autopsy report....the case was closed.  Who cares if 40 people heard shots from elsewhere or that the doctors at Parkland said the neck and head injuries came from shots from the front.  The government had the story ready to go before the damn thing even happened.  It is absurd.  The Warren Commission were under orders from LBJ what the conclusion would be before they accepted the appointment.  Damn the facts, just make it so.  

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26 minutes ago, jonmx said:

The most amazing thing is, they had the case wrapped up and in a bow within hours of the shooting.   My grandparents had a newspaper saved from that Saturday morning after and it was already a certainty that it was Oswald and Oswald alone firing three shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD.   We had photos of Oswald holding both weapons with pro-commie newspapers, information he was trying to re-defect to Cuba.

We did not need to review all the photos, interview all the witnesses, or see the official autopsy report....the case was closed.  Who cares if 40 people heard shots from elsewhere or that the doctors at Parkland said the neck and head injuries came from shots from the front.  The government had the story ready to go before the damn thing even happened.  It is absurd.  The Warren Commission were under orders from LBJ what the conclusion would be before they accepted the appointment.  Damn the facts, just make it so.  

I don't know who pulled the trigger(s).  I don't know if there was more the one shooter.  There's a lot that I don't "know"... but no one will ever convince me that LBJ was not behind it.

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29 minutes ago, jonmx said:

The most amazing thing is, they had the case wrapped up and in a bow within hours of the shooting.   My grandparents had a newspaper saved from that Saturday morning after and it was already a certainty that it was Oswald and Oswald alone firing three shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD.   We had photos of Oswald holding both weapons with pro-commie newspapers, information he was trying to re-defect to Cuba.

 

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The SS agent and driver of the Kennedy's limo pulled the trigger, William Greer and the agent in the passenger seat Roy Killerman was in on it as well.

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He used a nickel plated 45 and you can even see the gun recoil at the time of the final shot on the Zapruder film if it shows the whole car. After the shot there is a reflection from the gun as he tries to put it away in his lap. In the Warren Commission there was witness testimony that 9 people heard a bang right around the car at the time of the fatal shot. Also in the WC they found a 45 shell on the street a day or two later.

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6 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said:

The SS agent and driver of the Kennedy's limo pulled the trigger, William Greer and the agent in the passenger seat Roy Killerman was in on it as well.

No serious researchers believe this.  This is a deep state fodder thrown out to confuse the casual observer who is skeptical of the official story.   They do not want the majority of people believing the CIA did this intentionally and covered it up.  

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16 hours ago, jonmx said:

I am not even sure what is supposed to be inaccurate about the film.  It mostly surrounds Jim Garrison and his effort to build a case for a conspiracy.   People dying before testifying and ultimately Garrison losing the case and all the characters involved are all meticulously accurate.   The mainstream media relentlessly attacked Stone and completely mischaracteeuzed the film.   How close Garrison got to the truth is not clear, but the smoke around him indicates the fire was close. 

IIRC, the Donald Sutherland character Mr. X was not real but an amalgamation of multiple people. This was done to condense the exposition he gives to Garrison in the movie. I believe he also took some creative liberties with some of the events depicted in the film. The party that the Kevin Bacon character attended and described was one of them. This is all based on memory of articles read a long time ago, though.

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4 minutes ago, jonmx said:

No serious researchers believe this.  This is a deep state fodder thrown out to make confuse the casual observer who is skeptical of the official story.  

I believe what my eyes see and research the case enough myself that I could be consider a serious researcher.Also explains why he hit the brakes at the time of the fatal shot.

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2 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said:

I believe why my eyes see and research the case enough myself that I could be consider a serious researcher.Also explains why he hit the brakes at the time of the fatal shot.

I have no doubt the driver was in on it.  There is no excuse for the driver to have been slowing down while gunfire was reigning down on them for seven seconds.  But virtually every witness in the Plaza heard or saw shots from either the grassy knoll and the TSBD.   There were multiple shooters and they and the driver were being coordinated thrpugh walkie talkies and signalers (umbrella man/signals and dark-skin dude/spotter).   

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8 minutes ago, Fnord said:

IIRC, the Donald Sutherland character Mr. X was not real but an amalgamation of multiple people. This was done to condense the exposition he gives to Garrison in the movie. I believe he also took some creative liberties with some of the events depicted in the film. The party that the Kevin Bacon character attended and described was one of them. This is all based on memory of articles read a long time ago, though.

That character was more so of Fletcher Prouty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Fletcher_Prouty

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1 minute ago, jonmx said:

I have no doubt the driver was in on it.  There is no excuse for the driver to have been slowing down while gunfire was reigning down on them for seven seconds.  But virtually every witness in the Plaza heard or saw shots from either the grassy knoll and the TSBD.   There were multiple shooters and they and the driver were being coordinated thrpugh walkie talkies and signalers (umbrella man/signals and dark-skin dude/spotter).   

I'm not saying there wasn't a shooter from the Grassy knoll but saying the Driver fired the kill shot. I can see it obvious when I watch the Zapurder film every time and laughed at the theory when I first heard it. Greer and Killerman was in on it and they was the last resort to make sure J.F.K didn't make it out of there alive.

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6 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said:

Jon read the Warren Commission. I know it's BS but the testimony of the witness is compelling.

When there are thousands of pieces of evidence, it is easy to cherry-pick and manipulate data to make a convincing story.   It is what is left out of the Warren Commission and the amount of coercion thst went into obtaining thst testimony that tells another story.  No chain of evidence for any of the bullet casings at each shooting.  Key pieces of evidence disappearing.  Dozens of witnesses dying strange deaths or even murdered.  Witness who told one story, were shot and suddenly remembered a different story.  Doctors threatened by FBI agents not to say thst again.   This stuff is not normal. 

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Also they drover Kennedys

Just now, jonmx said:

When there are thousands of pieces of evidence, it is easy to cherry-pick and manipulate data to make a convincing story.   It is what is left out of the Warren Commission and the amount of coercion thst went into obtaining thst testimony that tells another story.  No chain of evidence for any of the bullet casings at each shooting.  Key pieces of evidence disappearing.  Dozens of witnesses dying strange deaths or even murdered.  Witness who told one story, were shot and suddenly remembered a different story.  Doctors threatened by FBI agents not to say thst again.   This stuff is not normal. 

I agree!

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2 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said:

I'm not saying there wasn't a shooter from the Grassy knoll but saying the Driver fired the kill shot. I can see it obvious when I watch the Zapurder film every time and laughed at the theory when I first heard it. Greer and Killerman was in on it and they was the last resort to make sure J.F.K didn't make it out of there alive.

To add to this Greer and Killerman also drove J.F.K's corpse from Parkland Hospital to the airport and then you have the missing brain.

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Just now, BeenHereBefore said:

To add to this Greer and Killerman also drove J.F.K's corpse from Parkland Hospital to the airport and then you have the missing brain.

JFK body and the circus that surround that with two competing caskets is a whole other can of worms.  The brain they show in the autopsy pictured is an absolute joke.  No one who saw JFK at Parkland would believe the brain in the photos were JFK.   It is no wonder that the brain disappeared.   

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1 minute ago, jonmx said:

JFK body and the circus that surround that with two competing caskets is a whole other can of worms.  The brain they show in the autopsy pictured is an absolute joke.  No one who saw JFK at Parkland would believe the brain in the photos were JFK.   It is no wonder that the brain disappeared.   

Why do you think the SS was in a big fight with the Parkland doctors over taking Kennedy's body ? So they could alter the brain and mess with the evidence. Fight got so intense that the Secret Service agents drew their guns.

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I’ve researched the motorcade driver myself many times - never concluded he fired a weapon. Outside of a few other details, namely the image of what appears to be him pulling a gun - looks nothing more than Connolly’s creating that image. Plus, you’ll never convince me the driver fired a shot and neither of the 2 women in the car heard or saw it - that would have been so loud you would have known it. 

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Who was involved in the taking out of J.F.K ? Parts of the CIA, FBI, Secret Service and Mob.

4 minutes ago, Cruzer said:

I’ve researched the motorcade driver myself many times - never concluded he fired a weapon. Outside of a few other details, namely the image of what appears to be him pulling a gun - looks nothing more than Connolly’s creating that image. Plus, you’ll never convince me the driver fired a shot and neither of the 2 women in the car heard or saw it - that would have been so loud you would have known it. 

The two women ? Jackie Kennedy and Nellie Connally? I already mention the 9 people testified to hearing a loud bang around the car at the time of the fatal shot.

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Just now, Cruzer said:

I’ve researched the motorcade driver myself many times - never concluded he fired a weapon. Outside of a few other details, namely the image of what appears to be him pulling a gun - looks nothing more than Connolly’s creating that image. Plus, you’ll never convince me the driver fired a shot and neither of the 2 women in the car heard or saw it - that would have been so loud you would have known it. 

 

To me what proves where the gunfire came from beyond any doubt was the brain splatter which covered the Dallas motorcycle cops following just behind the drivers side.   One of the cops said he was hit with so much brain matter it almost knocked him over.  Jackie also dove back on the trunk to retrieve part of JFK's head.  Skull fragments were later found in that area.  All that requires the bullet to come from the direction of the grassy knoll.  Plus every nurse at doctor at Parkland describle a large hole in the back of JFK's head the size of a fist.  

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8 minutes ago, jonmx said:

 

To me what proves where the gunfire came from beyond any doubt was the brain splatter which covered the Dallas motorcycle cops following just behind the drivers side.   One of the cops said he was hit with so much brain matter it almost knocked him over.  Jackie also dove back on the trunk to retrieve part of JFK's head.  Skull fragments were later found in that area.  All that requires the bullet to come from the direction of the grassy knoll.  Plus every nurse at doctor at Parkland describle a large hole in the back of JFK's head the size of a fist.  

What do you make of the video I poasted in the other thread that acknowledges a grassy knoll shooter, but claims that the kill shot came from the sewer drain just a few feet from where the car slowed down? 🤔

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2 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said:

Who was involved in the taking out of J.F.K ? Parts of the CIA, FBI, Secret Service and Mob.

A lot of the money to organize the event, hire the hit men, pay for silencing witnesses was provided by Texas oilmen.  It was no coincidence that the TSBD was owned by D.H. Byrd or that Jack Ruby waw meeting with H.L. Hunt just before the assassination, or that many of the key players including an appearance by LBJ were all at a party at Clint Murchison mansion the night before.  

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How does Bobby Kennedy's killer keep his food fresh?

 

 

 

Sirhan Sirhan Wrap!!  

 

: banana:

 

 

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5 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

How does Bobby Kennedy's killer keep his food fresh?

 

 

 

Sirhan Sirhan Wrap!!  

 

: banana:

If he had a good lawyer, he would have gotten off.   

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5 minutes ago, jonmx said:

If he had a good lawyer, he would have gotten off.   

Melvin didn't help Ruby much but of course the whole world seeing it, I don't think any lawyer could help.

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19 minutes ago, jonmx said:

A lot of the money to organize the event, hire the hit men, pay for silencing witnesses was provided by Texas oilmen.  It was no coincidence that the TSBD was owned by D.H. Byrd or that Jack Ruby waw meeting with H.L. Hunt just before the assassination, or that many of the key players including an appearance by LBJ were all at a party at Clint Murchison mansion the night before.  

Yes Big Oil was probably involved as well.

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I posted this last night and anyone on here that liked the movie J.F.K checkout the book Farewell to Justice by Joan Mellen. Goes into a lot more detail about Jim Garrison and Clay Shaw, Oswald, David Ferry, Guy Banister and the other characters from J.F.K.

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The ere was a book a few years back that said that Jim Garrison was mentally unstable and a pedophile. 

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45 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said:

Who was involved in the taking out of J.F.K ? Parts of the CIA, FBI, Secret Service and Mob.

The two women ? Jackie Kennedy and Nellie Connally? I already mention the 9 people testified to hearing a loud bang around the car at the time of the fatal shot.

Eye witnesses…. like the 50 or so eyewitnesses that say they saw:heard a shot come from the grassy knoll and went sprinting up it to see? Or how about witness Howard Brennan who said he saw Oswald fire shots from the SE corner of the 6th floor? Or how about Barbara and Arnold Rowland who said they saw 2 men (one African American) in the SW corner of the 6th floor? 
 

Witnesses are great, but they must be taken with a grain of salt… If you’re in a car would you need 9 people standing on the street to tell you that a shot was fired from the inside of the car? I wouldn’t, and apparently Jackie nor Nellie did either. 

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5 minutes ago, Cruzer said:

Eye witnesses…. like the 50 or so eyewitnesses that say they saw:heard a shot come from the grassy knoll and went sprinting up it to see? Or how about witness Howard Brennan who said he saw Oswald fire shots from the SE corner of the 6th floor? Or how about Barbara and Arnold Rowland who said they saw 2 men (one African American) in the SW corner of the 6th floor? 
 

Witnesses are great, but they must be taken with a grain of salt… If you’re in a car would you need 9 people standing on the street to tell you that a shot was fired from the inside of the car? I wouldn’t, and apparently Jackie nor Nellie did either. 

Jackie and Nellie was probably in fear for their own lives and children's afterwards. Jackie also tried to climb out of the car right after the fatal shot.

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15 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The ere was a book a few years back that said that Jim Garrison was mentally unstable and a pedophile. 

Not in the book I mentioned but it does mention about Garrison possibly being homosexual. Said the allegations was mostly to discredit him but who knows for sure.

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