JFK

[TommyGavin 790]

Who really had him killed ?

[Strike 4,026]

I don't know but Biden is going to be responsible if RFK Jr. gets killed:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rfk-jr-trespasser-included-secret-service-risk-assessment-months-before-dhs-denied-protection?intcmp=tw_fnc

[jonmx 1,643]

According to LBJ it was rogue CIA agents and Texas Big Oil men.   And LBJ should know, as he also had his hands in on it.   One of the trigger men on the 6th Floor was LBJ's personal henchman Malcom Wallace whose finger prints were found there.   There is no definitive answer to what other shooters were involved,  but there was at least one other shooter in the grassy knoll area behind the fense.  LHO was on the first and second floor during the shooting.

[TommyGavin 790]

I’m thinking more of a mafia hit and LBJ and CIA  knew about it prior. LHO was scapegoat 

[squistion 913]

1 hour ago, TommyGavin said:

Who really had him killed ?

Who can say for sure, but I am sure by the time this thread is finished, some trans folks will be blamed. 

[seafoam1 1,879]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

Who can say for sure, but I am sure by the time this thread is finished, some trans folks will be blamed. 

No, i din't think it was you or you friends. 

[kilroy69 1,012]

I posted on this not long ago. I am convinced Oswald killed him by accident. He was aiming for governor john connally. It is long and convoluted but john connally denied oswalds request to expunge his dishonorable discharge and he could not get a good job because of it. It significantly effected his ability to earn a living. He saw his opportunity to kill the guy who he viewed as the person who did him wrong. Kennedy was a missed shot. No one wants to think of it like that. It HAD to be something deeper. A conspiracy. It is too hard for people to accept the direction of our country changed because a president was in the wrong place at the wrong time. 

[jonmx 1,643]

7 minutes ago, TommyGavin said:

I’m thinking more of a mafia hit and LBJ and CIA  knew about it prior. LHO was scapegoat 

The payoffs to the hitmen and Jack Ruby were made by the Hunts.  It was no coincidence that D.H. Byrd purchased the TSBD months before the assassination.  The only involvement of the mob was muscle.  

[Hardcore troubadour 12,810]

Ted Kennedy living did a lot more damage than JFK dying. Just when black people in this country were  taking their first steps towards moving in the right direction, Teddy comes along and says we have to import more disadvantaged people of color.  Just so he could virtue signal. It made little sense then, and even less now. 

[jonmx 1,643]

13 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

I posted on this not long ago. I am convinced Oswald killed him by accident. He was aiming for governor john connally. It is long and convoluted but john connally denied oswalds request to expunge his dishonorable discharge and he could not get a good job because of it. It significantly effected his ability to earn a living. He saw his opportunity to kill the guy who he viewed as the person who did him wrong. Kennedy was a missed shot. No one wants to think of it like that. It HAD to be something deeper. A conspiracy. It is too hard for people to accept the direction of our country changed because a president was in the wrong place at the wrong time. 

Way too many witnesses saw a gunman in the grassy knoll area.  A majority of witnesses in the Plaza identified shots coming from thst area.  This was the third attempt on JFK's life in the months prior, as there were attempts in Chicago and Miami.  JFK was known to be on the first floor minutes prior and on the second floor minutes after the assassination.  LHO would of had no idea thst the motorcade was running 15 minutes behind schedule.  

Besides the lone nut theory  os ridiculous when you realize just how deeply Oswald had ties to intelligence.   Oswald was an operative for US intelligence for over 5 years leasing up to the assassination. 

[TommyGavin 790]

22 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Way too many witnesses saw a gunman in the grassy knoll area.  A majority of witnesses in the Plaza identified shots coming from thst area.  This was the third attempt on JFK's life in the months prior, as there were attempts in Chicago and Miami.  JFK was known to be on the first floor minutes prior and on the second floor minutes after the assassination.  LHO would of had no idea thst the motorcade was running 15 minutes behind schedule.  

Besides the lone nut theory  os ridiculous when you realize just how deeply Oswald had ties to intelligence.   Oswald was an operative for US intelligence for over 5 years leasing up to the assassination. 

Tampa not Miami and FBI warned JFK to skip Chicago because of intelligence of possible attack. 

[BeenHereBefore 1,343]

2 hours ago, TommyGavin said:

Who really had him killed ?

Hillary Duh.

[jonmx 1,643]

27 minutes ago, TommyGavin said:

Tampa not Miami and FBI warned JFK to skip Chicago because of intelligence of possible attack. 

Actually it was Tampa and Miami, so there were three.   Dallas was the best location because the Dallas police was corrupt and the deputy director of the CIA Charles Cabell's brother Earle was mayor of Dallas, which helped them control the route and limit security. 

[TommyGavin 790]

25 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Actually it was Tampa and Miami, so there were three.   Dallas was the best location because the Dallas police was corrupt and the deputy director of the CIA Charles Cabell's brother Earle was mayor of Dallas, which helped them control the route and limit security. 

Thought it was

Tampa

Chicago

Dallas

 

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

3 hours ago, TommyGavin said:

Who really had him killed ?

Lee Oswald.

You're welcome.

[TommyGavin 790]

15 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Lee Oswald.

You're welcome.

No way. 

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

18 minutes ago, TommyGavin said:

No way. 

Right huge Castro fan who felt the USSR was too conservative, who was a committed marxist, who worked in a building with a perch overlooking the motorcade whose path was published in the morning paper, whose wife had just finally kicked him out, who took practice shots at a far right general, who had ordered away for a rifle and who was an ex-Marine with marksman training, who was mentally & emotionally unbalanced with a crazy mother & who had been taught in the god awful New Orleans public school system (check our murder rate), who shot a police officer and then hid in a movie theater after the assassination, had absolutely zero nothing to do with it. Ok.

[Patented Phil 834]

Gun to my head I’d say Oswald acted alone.  But I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it was a conspiracy.  I just bought the book that RFK Jr. recommended on Lix Friedman.  He is convinced it was a conspiracy.

[TommyGavin 790]

13 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Right huge Castro fan who felt the USSR was too conservative, who was a committed marxist, who worked in a building with a perch overlooking the motorcade whose path was published in the morning paper, whose wife had just finally kicked him out, who took practice shots at a far right general, who had ordered away for a rifle and who was an ex-Marine with marksman training, who was mentally & emotionally unbalanced with a crazy mother & who had been taught in the god awful New Orleans public school system (check our murder rate), who shot a police officer and then hid in a movie theater after the assassination, had absolutely zero nothing to do with it. Ok.

All correct. Perfect person to take the fall in Dallas. Tampa and Chicago had fall guys as well. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,810]

1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Right huge Castro fan who felt the USSR was too conservative, who was a committed marxist, who worked in a building with a perch overlooking the motorcade whose path was published in the morning paper, whose wife had just finally kicked him out, who took practice shots at a far right general, who had ordered away for a rifle and who was an ex-Marine with marksman training, who was mentally & emotionally unbalanced with a crazy mother & who had been taught in the god awful New Orleans public school system (check our murder rate), who shot a police officer and then hid in a movie theater after the assassination, had absolutely zero nothing to do with it. Ok.

Why did Jack Ruby kill Oswald? 

[jonmx 1,643]

3 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Lee Oswald.

You're welcome.

Only if you are grossly naive and believe everything the establishment government tells you.  Most people have actually opened their eyes and know that story is total non-sense.   

- Hunter's laptop is Russian misinformation.

 - Covid did not originate in a partally US funded lab in China.  

- Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. 

- all vaccines are throughly tested and have no side effects.

- it is impossible to cheat in an election

- white's who distrust the government are the biggest dangers facing of our country

Unfortunately our government has a long history of lying to the American public and manipulating public opinion which went into hyper drive with the creation of the CIA. 

Hell one of their very first efforts was to recruit over 1000 of the worst Nazis partly to help assist the government with propaganda which they called Operation Paperclip.  Then there was Operation Mockingbird which put over 400 CIA operatives in major media organization to control the narrative being fed to the American people. Hell, the CIA put a plan on JFKs desk to shoot down a passenger plane and blame it on Cuba so we could invade them.  JFK wanted to end the CIA, and if you don't think those bastards did not take JFK out, you don't understand history or modern politics where our government tries to control what people see on social media.   

  

[wiffleball 4,658]

Pretty hard to make that shot from Tower 7. 

[jonmx 1,643]

2 hours ago, TommyGavin said:

All correct. Perfect person to take the fall in Dallas. Tampa and Chicago had fall guys as well. 

 

3 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Right huge Castro fan who felt the USSR was too conservative, who was a committed marxist, who worked in a building with a perch overlooking the motorcade whose path was published in the morning paper, whose wife had just finally kicked him out, who took practice shots at a far right general, who had ordered away for a rifle and who was an ex-Marine with marksman training, who was mentally & emotionally unbalanced with a crazy mother & who had been taught in the god awful New Orleans public school system (check our murder rate), who shot a police officer and then hid in a movie theater after the assassination, had absolutely zero nothing to do with it. Ok.

Total BS.  LHO had over a 5-year history with working with our intelligence agencies starting with the U2 spy planes out of Japan.  Our government trained Oswald to speak Russian and trained him to be a defector.  Is it even plausible that someone who defected to Russia, diclosed top secrets of our military, would be not only unquestioned when his return to the US but the state department would fund his return?  No, that is high treason and if Oswald was not an agent of our government, would have spent his life in prison if not executed.  Oswald kept meticulous notes on life in the Soviet Union and provided it to our government. 

When Oswald returned, Oswald had CIA handlers in the form of George de Mohrenschildt and later Ruth Paine.  Ruth Paine is the one who got Oswald to Dallas and got him a job at the TSBD despite knowing of higher paying opportunities.  

Oswald's Fair Play for Cuba was a CIA front organization to collect information on people who were Castro sympathizers.  It was co-located with an FBI office.  The police hauled a file cabinet out of Ruth's garage full of information on Cuban supporters.  Oswald and Paine each owned a special camera which were only made for the CIA, and was collected as evidence.  One was the camera which took the famous photos of Oswald in his back yard.

Oswald could not have done the shooting of the general as the shooter drove away, and Oswald never drive a car in his life.  The person who went down to Mexico City to defect to Cuba was a known fake Oswald, which the FBI knew was fake.  Oswald held known meetings with government officials during that time which were recorded and the pictures of Oswald entering the embasy were clearly someone else.  

if you step away from the government lies, many of which are now known to be lies, the lone nut theory falls apart, including the Tippet shooting.  And by the way, just last month the SS agent came forward and stated he found the magic bullet in the back seat of the limo and put it on the stretcher.  The magic bullet never made it to Connelly as the lone nut story tells us. 

Oswald obviously had a huge role in the assassination, as the patsy. 

[jonmx 1,643]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why did Jack Ruby kill Oswald? 

Because Jack Ruby had a plan to have Dallas Police to take out Oswald with the framing of the Tippet shooting and that failed.  Ruby was left to do the dirty work he was paid to do or be a dead man on Monday.  The only way Ruby was able to get into the heavily guarded police station was because he was let in by a co-conspirator in the department. 

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

18 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why did Jack Ruby kill Oswald? 

Nightclub owner who regularly carried a gun. He was a patriotic American who loved his country and who was pissed as hell his President was shot. He didn't plan to shoot Oswald when he went to Parkland, but when the opportunity presented itself he took it in rage. 

[jonmx 1,643]

13 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Nightclub owner who regularly carried a gun. He was a patriotic American who loved his country and who was pissed as hell his President was shot. He didn't plan to shoot Oswald when he went to Parkland, but when the opportunity presented itself he took it in rage. 

GTFO.  Ruby was a self-serving corrupt individual who had deep ties with the mob and ties to Cuba in a lot of the organizations that Oswald participated in.  Ruby had no problem with offing someone for $50.  Ruby was visited and drugged by infamous government operative Jolly West in prison who gave Ruby mind altering injections which drove him mad to keep his mouth shut.  Do some reading outside of the government lies.   Ruby sold jeeps and guns to Casteo and was even given $25k by the mob yo give to Castro in exchange for releasing a mobster.  Loyal American my ass.  Ruby shot Oswald because Ruby was a dead man by Monday if he didn't.  

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

21 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Right huge Castro fan who felt the USSR was too conservative, who was a committed marxist, who worked in a building with a perch overlooking the motorcade whose path was published in the morning paper, whose wife had just finally kicked him out, who took practice shots at a far right general, who had ordered away for a rifle and who was an ex-Marine with marksman training, who was mentally & emotionally unbalanced with a crazy mother & who had been taught in the god awful New Orleans public school system (check our murder rate), who shot a police officer and then hid in a movie theater after the assassination, had absolutely zero nothing to do with it. Ok.

 

Good to see you here

[Gepetto 993]

18 hours ago, jonmx said:

Because Jack Ruby had a plan to have Dallas Police to take out Oswald with the framing of the Tippet shooting and that failed.  Ruby was left to do the dirty work he was paid to do or be a dead man on Monday.  The only way Ruby was able to get into the heavily guarded police station was because he was let in by a co-conspirator in the department. 

Heavily guarded? The location where Oswald was shot had several people from the community there.

[jonmx 1,643]

2 hours ago, Gepetto said:

Heavily guarded? The location where Oswald was shot had several people from the community there.

Yes, the police were under strict orders not to let anyone in except a few people from the press.   The doors were all guarded and Ruby had to have been let in by a corrupt officer. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,810]

3 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Nightclub owner who regularly carried a gun. He was a patriotic American who loved his country and who was pissed as hell his President was shot. He didn't plan to shoot Oswald when he went to Parkland, but when the opportunity presented itself he took it in rage. 

Lol. The Jewish gangster from Chicago was heartbroken over the lace curtain Irish Catholic president from Massachusetts getting shot that he decided to toss his life away. Suuuure. 

[lod001 1,239]

Nobody had him killed because the SS Agent, George Hickey accidentally blew his head off with the only gun in the vicinity, that was fired, that was capable of doing that damage. There may have been a conspiracy to have him killed using Oswald but Oswalds shot didn't do that damage.

 This is what fits the scene:

 

[jonmx 1,643]

2 hours ago, lod001 said:

Nobody had him killed because the SS Agent, George Hickey accidentally blew his head off with the only gun in the vicinity, that was fired, that was capable of doing that damage. There may have been a conspiracy to have him killed using Oswald but Oswalds shot didn't do that damage.

 This is what fits the scene:

 

Total BS.   We know with 100 percent certainty, there were shots from the TSBD and at least one shot from the grassy knoll area, which was the kill shot entering the right temple and existing out the back of the head.  That is the overwhelming concensus of the thousands of researchers who have study this.  The SS agent theory is absurd misinformation which intentional do not name who most witnesses are and leaves out very important details of their testimony.  The one witness they do mention is a railway worker Hollard who was on the overpass.  They mention he did smell gunshot smoke, but leave out the fact he saw heard gunfire from behind the picker fense and saw gunsmoke from under a tree by the picket fense.  Such selective use of key witnesses testimony make this theory a boatload of crap.   Here is the totality of what Holland said.

Using Holland who definitively saw, heard, smelled, and saw physical evidence of a shot from the grassy knoll as proof of an SS agent fired the kill shot shows just how ridiculous the accidental SS shot story is.

[SaintsInDome2006 128]

8 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The Jewish gangster from Chicago was heartbroken over the lace curtain Irish Catholic president from Massachusetts getting shot that he decided to toss his life away.

Yes. That’s how the country was then. 

[jonmx 1,643]

1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Yes. That’s how the country was then. 

That is one of the most ridiculous parts of the lone nut theory (thr magic bullet theory is the most ridiculous,), there is no explanation for why Ruby acted thst way.  Ruby was a nervous wreck all weekend hanging out around Parkland and then the police station hoping for an opportunity to kill Oswald.   Ruby was a major part of the conspiracy and had a long history of ties to Cuba and ties to the mob.  Ruby's was driven by power and greed. 

The Americans who love this country are the thousands of people who meticulously study the facts of this case and have exposed the government lies.  It is not a picture of our government people want to accept, but the level of corruption and cooperation with between government and big corporations (and back then also the mafia) is enormous.  Our government has controls over our universities, media organizations, big tech, Hollywood, teacher unions...that is why they all speak with a unified voice despite those opinions largely unpopular.  Did you ever think why opinions which only 25 percent of Americans are behind are so vigorously supported by mainstream organizations and to the point anyone who gets off thst reservation is immediately cancelled?  It should be mathematical impossible and makes no sense.  We are being manipulated by the establishment elites.

 

[shadrap 118]

5 hours ago, jonmx said:

That is one of the most ridiculous parts of the lone nut theory (thr magic bullet theory is the most ridiculous,), there is no explanation for why Ruby acted thst way.  Ruby was a nervous wreck all weekend hanging out around Parkland and then the police station hoping for an opportunity to kill Oswald.   Ruby was a major part of the conspiracy and had a long history of ties to Cuba and ties to the mob.  Ruby's was driven by power and greed. 

The Americans who love this country are the thousands of people who meticulously study the facts of this case and have exposed the government lies.  It is not a picture of our government people want to accept, but the level of corruption and cooperation with between government and big corporations (and back then also the mafia) is enormous.  Our government has controls over our universities, media organizations, big tech, Hollywood, teacher unions...that is why they all speak with a unified voice despite those opinions largely unpopular.  Did you ever think why opinions which only 25 percent of Americans are behind are so vigorously supported by mainstream organizations and to the point anyone who gets off thst reservation is immediately cancelled?  It should be mathematical impossible and makes no sense.  We are being manipulated by the establishment elites.

 

When JFK's head snapped BACK the government said this was from the bullet that hit him in the back of his head.  This alone doesn't make sense to me as his head should have snapped forward.  correct?

[Fnord 1,153]

On 10/28/2023 at 6:27 PM, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Lee Oswald.

You're welcome.

Whoa. SID6 from FBG? If so, it's awesome to see you posting here. Welcome to the fray.

[Bill E. 668]

On 10/28/2023 at 4:17 PM, TommyGavin said:

Who really had him killed ?

Kramer and Newman. 

[Gepetto 993]

2 hours ago, shadrap said:

When JFK's head snapped BACK the government said this was from the bullet that hit him in the back of his head.  This alone doesn't make sense to me as his head should have snapped forward.  correct?

No. Studies of gunshots to the head have shown the head can go in any direction.

[Gepetto 993]

LHO's own brother thought he was a lone nut loser, not someone with close inside ties to the US Govt, the Soviet Union, and Cuba.

[TBayXXXVII 2,147]

On 10/28/2023 at 4:17 PM, TommyGavin said:

Who really had him killed ?

I'm ok believing that Oswald pulled the trigger... personally, I don't even care about that.  But, I'm 100% sure that LBJ was behind the whole thing.  Too many things happened that had to be in place ahead of time to where someone at the highest level of clearance.