Impeachment inquiry of Joe Biden begins- over Hunter Biden

[The Real timschochet 6,640]

4 hours ago, RLLD said:

So all we know right now is that Joe Biden lied repeatedly about knowing anything about all this, when he clearly did know.....so then....why lie about it?

I challenge this entire statement. I certainly do not know that Biden knew any details at all about what Hunter was doing- the evidence is extremely sketchy at best. There is still no evidence that Joe took any advantage, received any monies collected for influence, or acted in a corrupt manner, 

[The Real timschochet 6,640]

Did Biden know that Hunter was earning money from these various companies? Sure. Did Biden realize that his son was receiving this income due to his relationship with his dad? Probably, it’s typical in Washington politics. Did Biden know the day to day details of what his son was doing or the amounts he was receiving? Joe says no and at this point there is no reason not to believe him. Therefore there is no evidence that he lied about any of this. If you have some show it. 

[RLLD 4,200]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I challenge this entire statement. I certainly do not know that Biden knew any details at all about what Hunter was doing- the evidence is extremely sketchy at best. There is still no evidence that Joe took any advantage, received any monies collected for influence, or acted in a corrupt manner, 

Do then, Joe receives all this money from his son, but did not know he recieved all this money? Bank records, for me, are not sketchy.....but nor are they some confimation of anything.  We can see that no taxes were paid and so the excuse is "loans" for which no documenation of a loan can be found.

Now, as I have stated repeatedly, I still need some decent proof where Joe did something that correlates to the money, that will be rather challenging, though not impossible. So I hold out hope that they find that mistake...where they did a poor job hiding it.

[thegeneral 3,121]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Hunters Business Partner.  Photographs. 

Devon Archer? 

[The Real timschochet 6,640]

But if the House impeaches based on what they have right now it’s going to be an embarrassment beyond anything the Republicans have done. And it will probably guarantee Biden’s re-election (which is likely anyhow.). 

[The Real timschochet 6,640]

Just now, RLLD said:

Do then, Joe receives all this money from his son, but did not know he recieved all this money? Bank records, for me, are not sketchy.....but nor are they some confimation of anything.  We can see that no taxes were paid and so the excuse is "loans" for which no documenation of a loan can be found.

Now, as I have stated repeatedly, I still need some decent proof where Joe did something that correlates to the money, that will be rather challenging, though not impossible. So I hold out hope that they find that mistake...where they did a poor job hiding it.

What money received are you referring to? Please tell me it’s not the $4200 for a car loan. Please tell me there’s some other sum slightly more substantial that Biden received. Where is it? 

[jonmx 2,425]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Hunters Business Partner.  Photographs. 

When you have the braindead media preaching that there is no evidence 24/7 as more and more evidence rolls in, you are going to have a decent percentage of idiots believing it.  As long as the government can keep enough people misinformed, they can continue to grow their power.  I am so feed up with the stupidity of the authoritarian leftist bastards. 

[The Real timschochet 6,640]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

  We can see that no taxes were paid and so the excuse is "loans" for which no documenation of a loan can be found.

 

Again you’re talking about $4000!!! Add some zeroes and MAYBE it’s a bit more suspicious, But if you want to charge a Vice President of the USA with corruption it better be a LOT of zeroes. You really think Joe Biden performed political favors for 4 grand? 

[RLLD 4,200]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

What money received are you referring to? Please tell me it’s not the $4200 for a car loan. Please tell me there’s some other sum slightly more substantial that Biden received. Where is it? 

Be patient, there is plenty out there to read, and there is more than just this instance.  They have the bank records and Hunter will get a chance to explain himself, as it should be. Trump's boy had his opportunity to speak, and so too shall Hunter.

I only wish we had this level of information about Trump, so you and I could be in unison in our voices for accountability.  Maybe we get lucky and they discover the same scenario with Trump, then come on back to me and we can pretend you care about it.

Until then I will remain steadastly positioned to expect the accountability I enjoyed when Trump was around, but apparently no longer will have so long as a Democrat is in that office. 

[The Real timschochet 6,640]

1 minute ago, jonmx said:

When you have the braindead media preaching that there is no evidence 24/7 as more and more evidence rolls in, you are going to have a decent percentage of idiots believing it.  As long as the government can keep enough people misinformed, they can continue to grow their power.  I am so feed up with the stupidity of the authoritarian leftist bastards. 

I will continue to believe the mainstream media and you will continue to believe crazy extreme right wing sources. I’m pretty comfortable knowing who will be right (practically 100% of the time.) 

[RLLD 4,200]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Again you’re talking about $4000!!! Add some zeroes and MAYBE it’s a bit more suspicious, But if you want to charge a Vice President of the USA with corruption it better be a LOT of zeroes. You really think Joe Biden performed political favors for 4 grand? 

But....this isn't the only instance, just the most recent.   We all need to be patient, as I have said repeatedly.  You might have the expectation that this should be rushed based on how Democrats did it, but that was abuse....not proper....so let this process unfold as it was meant to.

[The Real timschochet 6,640]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Be patient, there is plenty out there to read, and there is more than just this instance.  They have the bank records and Hunter will get a chance to explain himself, as it should be. Trump's boy had his opportunity to speak, and so too shall Hunter.

I only wish we had this level of information about Trump, so you and I could be in unison in our voices for accountability.  Maybe we get lucky and they discover the same scenario with Trump, then come on back to me and we can pretend you care about it.

Until then I will remain steadastly positioned to expect the accountability I enjoyed when Trump was around, but apparently no longer will have so long as a Democrat is in that office. 

1. Based on what we have now there is no evidence that Biden lied and no evidence he acted corruptly. I therefore have to strongly disagree with your previous assertions on this matter. If more money or more evidence is produced I might change my mind. But it’s not there and I don’t understand your assumption that it’s coming. 
 

2. There is already enough evidence in the public arena to convict Donald Trump of several felonies and send him to jail for many years. In that case I’m not sure what you’re waiting to learn. 

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1 minute ago, RLLD said:

But....this isn't the only instance, just the most recent.   We all need to be patient, as I have said repeatedly.  You might have the expectation that this should be rushed based on how Democrats did it, but that was abuse....not proper....so let this process unfold as it was meant to.

They can investigate til the cows come home as they have the House now. This latest revelation is very weak and the way Cormer framed it is laughable.

[The Real timschochet 6,640]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

But....this isn't the only instance, just the most recent.   We all need to be patient, as I have said repeatedly.  You might have the expectation that this should be rushed based on how Democrats did it, but that was abuse....not proper....so let this process unfold as it was meant to.

You don’t know that this isn’t the only instance or that the other instances if there are any are any more circumstantial. 
 

The impeachments of Donald Trump were not rushed (the 2nd one might have been but the evidence was already very clear.) 

[RLLD 4,200]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. Based on what we have now there is no evidence that Biden lied and no evidence he acted corruptly. I therefore have to strongly disagree with your previous assertions on this matter. If more money or more evidence is produced I might change my mind. But it’s not there and I don’t understand your assumption that it’s coming. 
 

2. There is already enough evidence in the public arena to convict Donald Trump of several felonies and send him to jail for many years. In that case I’m not sure what you’re waiting to learn. 

It is clear that Biden lied, repeatedly about his awareness of this son's activities...and since his son was apparently conducting racketeering, I get why he lied.  Once it was clear they were caught, that is when they started "amending" what they said, but they got caught on that as well.....

I leave it to you, and others, to explain away the corruption for those to whom you look for ideological leadership.

I am simply disinclined to allow criminality so long as it pertains to those who suit me politically.   Give me on Biden what I got on Trump. Its a rather fair and simple request.

[RLLD 4,200]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

They can investigate til the cows come home as they have the House now. This latest revelation is very weak and the way Cormer framed it is laughable.

Agree.   I was satisfied with the Collusion investigation on Trump, and so far this one is satisfying as well.  Still, I am wary.  At any moment we could reasonably see another fake impeachment, and I focking hate those....

[RLLD 4,200]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You don’t know that this isn’t the only instance or that the other instances if there are any are any more circumstantial. 
 

The impeachments of Donald Trump were not rushed (the 2nd one might have been but the evidence was already very clear.) 

If you are limiting your consumption of information to only those outlets that perhaps feed your bias I submit that you may not have all the available information as the standard left-wing propoganda outlets are asiduously avoiding it. But there is more, and when it is time we will have access to more.

The impeachments of Trumps were rushed, it was abusive what transpired. And if the Republicans replicate it at all with Biden it will STILL be abuse.  

[jonmx 2,425]

15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. Based on what we have now there is no evidence that Biden lied and no evidence he acted corruptly.

 

I really can't believe people are this fuking stupid.   But here we are. 

[The Real timschochet 6,640]

15 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It is clear that Biden lied, repeatedly about his awareness of this son's activities...and since his son was apparently conducting racketeering, I get why he lied.  Once it was clear they were caught, that is when they started "amending" what they said, but they got caught on that as well.....

I leave it to you, and others, to explain away the corruption for those to whom you look for ideological leadership.

I am simply disinclined to allow criminality so long as it pertains to those who suit me politically.   Give me on Biden what I got on Trump. Its a rather fair and simple request.

You’re repeating yourself without any new evidence. It’s not clear to me that he lied 

[The Real timschochet 6,640]

13 minutes ago, RLLD said:

If you are limiting your consumption of information to only those outlets that perhaps feed your bias I submit that you may not have all the available information as the standard left-wing propoganda outlets are asiduously avoiding it. But there is more, and when it is time we will have access to more.

The impeachments of Trumps were rushed, it was abusive what transpired. And if the Republicans replicate it at all with Biden it will STILL be abuse.  

And here is the true source of our dilemma: who to trust? I trust the mainstream media. You refer to it as the “left wing media”. You think I should be open to right wing sources whom I have no reason to trust. I don’t know how to solve this problem but I do know that if we disagree on the facts we can never find common ground. 

[edjr 6,580]

25 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. Based on what we have now there is no evidence that Biden lied

Is he a politician?  Of course he lied. 

[RLLD 4,200]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re repeating yourself without any new evidence. It’s not clear to me that he lied 

You percieve him differently because defending him serves your bias.  I am just a little less "devoted" to political actors.  I think they all need to be held to account, not unlike Trump has been.  I think that is how it should be.  But I am not getting that.  The man lied, when caught they tried to wordsmith thier way out of it, and got caught.

The level to which politicians are protecting Biden, and the DOJ are protecting him as well, stands in stark contrast to the accountability we enjoyed as with Trump.

That you only see value in holding Trump accountable while defending Biden is for me tough to digest, I do not think those in power need our protection, nor do they deserve it.  They should be heavily scruitinized at all times.

I would encourage some caution here, the parallel between Biden and Menendez exists, and that is a BIG reason we see little being done about Menendez.  Democrats know only too well how similar the two are, and how what they do to Menendez could come back to haunt them.

[RLLD 4,200]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

And here is the true source of our dilemma: who to trust? I trust the mainstream media. You refer to it as the “left wing media”. You think I should be open to right wing sources whom I have no reason to trust. I don’t know how to solve this problem but I do know that if we disagree on the facts we can never find common ground. 

I trust NO media. That is gone.  They lost the notion of reliability over the last 10 years or so.  They are ALL activists.

Now, I am relegated to hunting across multiple sources for information since no outlet provides credible content any longer. I have to discerne fropm their propoganda what is likely true since they are all lying, all of them, all the time now....

[The Real timschochet 6,640]

14 minutes ago, RLLD said:

You percieve him differently because defending him serves your bias.  I am just a little less "devoted" to political actors.  I think they all need to be held to account, not unlike Trump has been.  I think that is how it should be.  But I am not getting that.  The man lied, when caught they tried to wordsmith thier way out of it, and got caught.

The level to which politicians are protecting Biden, and the DOJ are protecting him as well, stands in stark contrast to the accountability we enjoyed as with Trump.

That you only see value in holding Trump accountable while defending Biden is for me tough to digest, I do not think those in power need our protection, nor do they deserve it.  They should be heavily scruitinized at all times.

I would encourage some caution here, the parallel between Biden and Menendez exists, and that is a BIG reason we see little being done about Menendez.  Democrats know only too well how similar the two are, and how what they do to Menendez could come back to haunt them.

No offense but your assertion (in your first sentence) is a little insulting, I don’t deny that I am a liberal and want to see Joe Biden re-elected, but I think I’m also quite capable of keeping an open mind and being willing to go where the facts lead me, I’ve given you my reasons for thinking that there is no evidence that Biden lied. Rather than demonstrate the flaw in those reasons, you either tell me that I’m biased or advise me to be patient because more evidence is coming. 

[Dizkneelande 1,094]

29 minutes ago, jonmx said:

 

I really can't believe people are this fuking stupid.   But here we are. 

If there were video evidence of Xi Jinping handing Biden bags of cash this disingenuous puke would still scream no evidence.

[The Real timschochet 6,640]

17 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I trust NO media. That is gone.  They lost the notion of reliability over the last 10 years or so.  They are ALL activists.

Now, I am relegated to hunting across multiple sources for information since no outlet provides credible content any longer. I have to discerne fropm their propoganda what is likely true since they are all lying, all of them, all the time now....

This is convenient. It allows you to stick with confirmation bias exactly 100% of the time. 

[The Real timschochet 6,640]

1 minute ago, Dizkneelande said:

If there were video evidence of Xi Jinping handing Biden bags of cash this disingenuous puke would still scream no evidence.

Not at all, where is that video? 

[thegeneral 3,121]

55 minutes ago, jonmx said:

When you have the braindead media preaching that there is no evidence 24/7 as more and more evidence rolls in, you are going to have a decent percentage of idiots believing it.  As long as the government can keep enough people misinformed, they can continue to grow their power.  I am so feed up with the stupidity of the authoritarian leftist bastards. 

Is it fair to question evidence? 

Why did Cormer present this as monthly payments in the way he did? It makes him look stupid.

The Devon Archer testimony is the same. How Cormer presented that is also shady at best. 

[RLLD 4,200]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

No offense but your assertion (in your first sentence) is a little insulting, I don’t deny that I am a liberal and want to see Joe Biden re-elected, but I think I’m also quite capable of keeping an open mind and being willing to go where the facts lead me, I’ve given you my reasons for thinking that there is no evidence that Biden lied. Rather than demonstrate the flaw in those reasons, you either tell me that I’m biased or advise me to be patient because more evidence is coming. 

I do not mean insult, just pointing out an observation. I must admit that I think your position might be a little dishonest. I maintain, unless you are willing to commit, that if the same set of circumstances were pointing at a Republican....your position would not be the same.

We know Biden lied, he is on record. He clearly knew what his son was doing and said he had no knowledge, he clearly knew he was getting money from China but instead said only Trump was getting money.

This should bother us.  It the name were instead "Trump" it would still bother me at the same level, can you say the same?

[RLLD 4,200]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is convenient. It allows you to stick with confirmation bias exactly 100% of the time. 

It allows me to ignore the bias currently present within media.  Its a defensive mechanism to offset the bias.  We cannot trust them any longer.

 

"I", in stark contract to most, hold the same positions....regardless of political player.  That distingiushes me and my ability to filter, and avoid bias.

[The Real timschochet 6,640]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I do not mean insult, just pointing out an observation. I must admit that I think your position might be a little dishonest. I maintain, unless you are willing to commit, that if the same set of circumstances were pointing at a Republican....your position would not be the same.

We know Biden lied, he is on record. He clearly knew what his son was doing and said he had no knowledge, he clearly knew he was getting money from China but instead said only Trump was getting money.

This should bother us.  It the name were instead "Trump" it would still bother me at the same level, can you say the same?

I didn’t mean to insult you but I think you’re dishonest. 
 

Got it. I don’t know Biden lied and YOU by definition can’t possibly know since you have admitted to trusting no news source whatsoever, 

[The Real timschochet 6,640]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

It allows me to ignore the bias currently present within media.  Its a defensive mechanism to offset the bias.  We cannot trust them any longer.

 

"I", in stark contract to most, hold the same positions....regardless of political player.  That distingiushes me and my ability to filter, and avoid bias.

It allows you to reject any information that might contradict what you already believe, 

[RLLD 4,200]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I didn’t mean to insult you but I think you’re dishonest. 
 

Got it. I don’t know Biden lied and YOU by definition can’t possibly know since you have admitted to trusting no news source whatsoever, 

Maybe I am, I am willing to self-refect on it and make sure I am staying true to my values and philosophy.  This is something important to me.  More important than almost anything else. 

[Dizkneelande 1,094]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Not at all, where is that video? 

There’s plenty of video of mush brain stating his kid never took money from China. There’s plenty of video of oatmeal head stating he never met with anyone associated with Hunter. You don’t believe those to be true why would we expect otherwise from you? 

[The Real timschochet 6,640]

2 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

There’s plenty of video of mush brain stating his kid never took money from China. There’s plenty of video of oatmeal head stating he never met with anyone associated with Hunter. You don’t believe those to be true why would we expect otherwise from you? 

I’m not aware of the video of your first sentence. Can you provide it? If he really said his son never took money from China it would change my mind about Joe lying about this issue. 

[RLLD 4,200]

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It allows you to reject any information that might contradict what you already believe, 

On the contrary, it allows me the latitude to move on my position, which has transpired here on occasion and is documented.  

So, consider this.  We both agree on Trump in terms of holding him accountable. Now the way it was done is where we diverge.  We agree that he should have been held accountable, and I think we are both satisfied that he was; perhaps you wanted him harmed a bit more, not sure.

But, when I apply the same logic to Biden, you now have a different view.

I do not care who person is, what their politics are nor anything else.....just that the powerful are held to account.

Please answer this question, if the information currently associated with Biden were instead associated with Trump, would you still come to his defense?

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17 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No offense but your assertion (in your first sentence) is a little insulting, I don’t deny that I am a liberal and want to see Joe Biden re-elected, but I think I’m also quite capable of keeping an open mind and being willing to go where the facts lead me, I’ve given you my reasons for thinking that there is no evidence that Biden lied. Rather than demonstrate the flaw in those reasons, you either tell me that I’m biased or advise me to be patient because more evidence is coming. 

"being willing to go where the facts lead me"?   Want to explain the FACTS that lead you to believe her?

[The Real timschochet 6,640]

1 minute ago, shadrap said:

"being willing to go where the facts lead me"?   Want to explain the FACTS that lead you to believe her?

Her who? 

[shadrap 227]

2 minutes ago, shadrap said:

"being willing to go where the facts lead me"?   Want to explain the FACTS that lead you to believe her?

her being Christine Blasey Ford

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12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m not aware of the video of your first sentence. Can you provide it? If he really said his son never took money from China it would change my mind about Joe lying about this issue. 

SHOCKING!!!!!  It's not like he said it on a national stage in a Presidential Debate or anything.  One of your favorite sources fact checked this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/08/01/biden-said-his-son-earned-no-money-china-his-son-says-otherwise/