Current state of politics

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Politicians will lie directly to your face and beg you to fact check it. This is incredible, 100% false, they don't care...

 

 

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[IGotWorms 4,057]

Super awesome thread, bro

[Drizzay 699]

That's the beauty about not paying attention to them.

[5-Points 3,390]

Went to vs moved to? 

He may be right in that more people from Florida visited California than vice versa. But one thing is for sure, more people moved out of California under his watch than ever before. 

[iam90sbaby 2,490]

As a life long Floridian I think I can't speak for us all, we don't go to California, because it's gay 

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27 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

As a life long Floridian I think I can't speak for us all, we don't go to California, because it's gay 

Same here in SC. 

[RLLD 4,143]

Has any media outlet fact-checked Newsome?  Any at all?

[OldMaid 2,129]

This is why statics are tricky and can be misleading. Technically, Newsome cited "per capita" which takes into account the population differences between the two states, and on that measure he is correct.

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2021 Census data, the latest available, and calculated that 1.16 per 1,000 Floridians moved to California in 2021 and 0.96 Californians moved to Florida that year.

 

[RLLD 4,143]

8 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

This is why statics are tricky and can be misleading. Technically, Newsome cited "per capita" which takes into account the population differences between the two states, and on that measure he is correct.

 

Would you consider that his use of the stats was at least disingenous and perhaps entirely misleading?   Agree with you on statistics, politicians lie every day in this very same way.

[The Real timschochet 6,430]

9 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

This is why statics are tricky and can be misleading. Technically, Newsome cited "per capita" which takes into account the population differences between the two states, and on that measure he is correct.

 

Exactly and it’s not a technical argument. A higher percentage of Floridians moved to California than the other way around. 
 

And why wouldn’t they? California is a better place to live in every way. It’s like a fine dining restaurant: not everyone can afford to live here. But if you have the money believe me you won’t want to live anywhere else. It’s paradise on Earth. I’m extremely lucky. 

[The Real timschochet 6,430]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Would you consider that his use of the stats was at least disingenous and perhaps entirely misleading?   Agree with you on statistics, politicians lie every day in this very same way.

It’s not misleading at all. Per capita is really the only way to compare the two states. You can’t compare by straight numbers because California has so many more people. (you know why that is? Because more people want to be here than any other state.) 

[RLLD 4,143]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

It’s not misleading at all. Per capita is really the only way to compare the two states. You can’t compare by straight numbers because California has so many more people. (you know why that is? Because more people want to be here than any other state.) 

You can actually compare it both ways.  What he did was use the stat that made him look better, and did not acknowledge the other because it did not.

By all means discuss the totality of the situation. Works for me. 

[Baker Boy 1,688]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

You can actually compare it both ways.  What he did was use the stat that made him look better, and did not acknowledge the other because it did not.

By all means discuss the totality of the situation. Works for me. 

Unfortunately, that is not the real argument. The argument is that California is losing population for the first time in over 100 years.

 

Under Newsom, California sees population decline for first time in more than century

https://www.thecentersquare.com/california/article_a18c84e0-5a7a-11eb-b53a-0bbaca855b6c.html

don’t be afraid to see what you see. 

 

[OldMaid 2,129]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Would you consider that his use of the stats was at least disingenous and perhaps entirely misleading?   Agree with you on statistics, politicians lie every day in this very same way.

It is misleading for Fox to ignore the fact that California has 17 million more people than Florida when choosing what stats to provide-it doesn’t tell the whole story.

[RLLD 4,143]

2 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

It is misleading for Fox to ignore the fact that California has 17 million more people than Florida when choosing what stats to provide-it doesn’t tell the whole story.

If you presented to me both stats I am less inclined to care about per capita, so that means I never even asked the question. I surmise that if I cared about that stat I would have perhaps called it out. 

[RLLD 4,143]

4 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Unfortunately, that is not the real argument. The argument is that California is losing population for the first time in over 100 years.

 

Under Newsom, California sees population decline for first time in more than century

https://www.thecentersquare.com/california/article_a18c84e0-5a7a-11eb-b53a-0bbaca855b6c.html

don’t be afraid to see what you see. 

 

 

AsI understand it, the emigration of people from California is causing the loss of seats in Congress, but I need to check on that. And then also look into whether or not Florida is similarly impacted. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

45 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Exactly and it’s not a technical argument. A higher percentage of Floridians moved to California than the other way around. 
 

And why wouldn’t they? California is a better place to live in every way. It’s like a fine dining restaurant: not everyone can afford to live here. But if you have the money believe me you won’t want to live anywhere else. It’s paradise on Earth. I’m extremely lucky. 

When talking about population, percentage based on total is irrelevant, exact numbers are what's more important.  Why?  Because people vote based on exact numbers.  Income, is also based on exact numbers.  They're not based on the relationship to the whole.  Florida's population increased and California's decreased, based on direct impact.

[Baker Boy 1,688]

6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

 

AsI understand it, the emigration of people from California is causing the loss of seats in Congress, but I need to check on that. And then also look into whether or not Florida is similarly impacted. 

California Loses House Seat for the First Time Ever

The Golden State is one of seven states that will lose a seat in the House based on population shifts, a group that includes New York, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia. Meanwhile, Texas will gain two seats and Colorado, Florida, Montana, North Carolina and Oregon will each gain one seat.

https://news.yahoo.com/california-loses-house-seat-first-194713136.html

 

 

[RLLD 4,143]

8 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

California Loses House Seat for the First Time Ever

The Golden State is one of seven states that will lose a seat in the House based on population shifts, a group that includes New York, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia. Meanwhile, Texas will gain two seats and Colorado, Florida, Montana, North Carolina and Oregon will each gain one seat.

https://news.yahoo.com/california-loses-house-seat-first-194713136.html

 

 

Its worthy of note, that the TOTAL amount of people leaving is causing this.  But those people are going to multiple places, not just Florida.  So the REAL measure here is the fact that they lost so many people, regardless of destination...they are losing seats in Congress.

[edjr 6,578]

if it's on twitter. it must be true

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

21 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

California Loses House Seat for the First Time Ever

The Golden State is one of seven states that will lose a seat in the House based on population shifts, a group that includes New York, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia. Meanwhile, Texas will gain two seats and Colorado, Florida, Montana, North Carolina and Oregon will each gain one seat.

https://news.yahoo.com/california-loses-house-seat-first-194713136.html

 

 

This basically confirms why per capita isn't the important metric.  Honestly, I think the use of the per capita metric favors Florida.  If a higher percentage of Floridians are moving to California than Californian's going to Florida, implies that Florida is getting more red at an increasing rate while California is getting more blue at a slower rate.

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23 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s not misleading at all. 

 

[seafoam1 2,803]

23 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

California is a better place to live in every way. It’s like a fine dining restaurant: not everyone can afford to live here.

https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/san-francisco-homeless

[RLLD 4,143]

22 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

This basically confirms why per capita isn't the important metric.  Honestly, I think the use of the per capita metric favors Florida.  If a higher percentage of Floridians are moving to California than Californian's going to Florida, implies that Florida is getting more red at an increasing rate while California is getting more blue at a slower rate.

The only thing that should matter is why they are leaving.  It would be rather useful to attempt to harvest that little point.  And learn why it is they feel a place like California is no longer for them.  

That being said, modern Liberalism is about never being wrong, even when the results pointedly suggest it.  So if they were to perhaps suggest it was crime, then the Liberal response would simply be some kind of whataboustism that suggests they are wrong, intsead of careful reflection....

[seafoam1 2,803]

23 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

California is a better place to live in every way. It’s like a fine dining restaurant: not everyone can afford to live here. 

 

[seafoam1 2,803]

23 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

 

And why wouldn’t they? California is a better place to live in every way. It’s like a fine dining restaurant: not everyone can afford to live here. But if you have the money believe me you won’t want to live anywhere else. It’s paradise on Earth. I’m extremely lucky. 

 

[RLLD 4,143]

The way they stepped in and cleaned up prior to the arrival of the China visit indicates they know its wrong, but also that they have the ability to deal with it....but choose to allow it.

I do not think these people understand the role of government.

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