NFL Free Agency/ Draft 2024

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27 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Russell Wilson will have to cook elsewhere. This has Raiders written all over it. 

 

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The Broncos signed Wilson to a five-year, $242.6 million deal after his arrival and will take an $85 million hit in dead money over the next two seasons because of the release.

That's an insane cap hit.

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1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

That's an insane cap hit.

They had a Browns moment...

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7 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

That's an insane cap hit.

Lots of cuts or trades coming. 

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Giants officially release Mark Glowinski

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Just now, WhiteWonder said:

Giants officially release Mark Glowinski

Who??? 

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Lots of cuts or trades coming. 

You're a weasel Giants fan aren't you?

 

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3 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

You're a weasel Giants fan aren't you?

 

Hadn’t heard that. Don’t think it makes sense to do it now though.  Draft is two months away. But we’ll see. The Giants also have won 4 Super Bowls.  The  Eagles only have the one and the future ain’t looking so hot for them. Jalen Wentz.  Lol. 

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One year after giving him FORTY MILLION PER YEAR.  

Heckuva job Football Giants.  

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So my dream scenario is the Giants trade with the Broncos, 6 pick for the 12, and get Denver’s first round pick next year which should be very high. 

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So my dream scenario is the Giants trade with the Broncos, 6 pick for the 12, and get Denver’s first round pick next year which should be very high. 

This is one where I see it differently from what the Bears have going on.  

Not sure what Payton will do or how desperate or how much he likes a guy. 

But for both Russ and Payton, the Broncos have given up a ton of picks.  They are in no position to hand out more to go up for a QB.  Not to mention dead cap hits from Russ.  

Their talent drawer will be empty soon with the lack of draft talent coming through.  

They should go Stidham and tank.   

Never know, I know you said dream scenario. And by all means thr Broncos ownership is dumb.  Payton has to realize this though.  

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Broncos have the 12th pick this year?   I thought they traded it away?  If that's the case, they will get a QB for sure.   

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Barkley not being tagged. The right move. Houston is the rumored spot. Great talent at one time, and the supporting cast didn’t help, but he just never got to the top. Injuries didn’t help. One more piece of the failure that Dave Gettleman was gone.  Can help a good team.  

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Dalton Shultz resigns with Houston. 

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@Hawkeye21

You haven't been around.  What do you want ths Bears to do?  What do you think they will do?  Where does Fields end up?  

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Just now, listen2me 23 said:

@Hawkeye21

You haven't been around.  What do you want ths Bears to do?  What do you think they will do?  Where does Fields end up?  

I want the Bears to keep Fields and trade the number 1 pick for a haul like they did last year.  I still have faith the the Bears can win with Fields.

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41 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I want the Bears to keep Fields and trade the number 1 pick for a haul like they did last year.  I still have faith the the Bears can win with Fields.

I thought I remember you being on that side of the argument when you last left off.  

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5 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I thought I remember you being on that side of the argument when you last left off.  

Trading the pick last year was a great move and it could be even better this year.  They don't have a lot of picks right now so it would help a lot.

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46 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I want the Bears to keep Fields and trade the number 1 pick for a haul like they did last year.  I still have faith the the Bears can win with Fields.

For the life of me I don’t understand why some Bears fans want to commit to Fields when his ceiling is obviously low end starter.

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Just now, MDC said:

For the life of me I don’t understand why some Bears fans want to commit to Fields when his ceiling is obviously low end starter.

Because I don't believe his ceiling is as low as you think.

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3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Because I don't believe his ceiling is as low as you think.

He’s a 60% career passer with 40 TDs, 30 INTs and 11 fumbles lost in 40 career games. Even if his ceiling is league average starter, why would you commit big $ to Fields vs drafting a possible franchise QB?

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4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Because I don't believe his ceiling is as low as you think.

I'm seriously torn in the guy.   I don't watch a lot of Bears football, so it is only a passing observation.  But he doesn't seem to be a top tier QB to me. However, there's no guarantee anyone in the draft will be either.

And honestly, Goff isn't top tier either....but he's enough I think to take the Lions deep if they can shore up the defense.

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4 minutes ago, MDC said:

He’s a 60% career passer with 40 TDs, 30 INTs and 11 fumbles lost in 40 career games. Even if his ceiling is league average starter, why would you commit big $ to Fields vs drafting a possible franchise QB?

I think he is a good passer and I still think he can improve on his decision making.  I'd like to see him playing in a good offensive scheme with better pass protection.  His teammates love him and I think team chemistry can go a long way.  He also does so much with his feet.  I enjoy watching him play.  I know many people don't agree but I don't really care.

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18 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Trading the pick last year was a great move and it could be even better this year.  They don't have a lot of picks right now so it would help a lot.

Not necessarily going to argue your opinion since Ive discussed it a ton.  All comes down to a segment of thr population thinking Fields is good.   I myself have seen enough.   Can he improve?  Sure.  But thus far hes a below average QB that can at times be dangerous since he has legs.  (Until he inevitably rolls and ankle and becomes obsolete)

But you made the trade last season for this very scenario.  Grinding to 8 wins each year then trying to kick the can down thr road and draft a QB in 2 years from the 15th slot is asking a bunch.  

But I am sure you believe with a better roster, Fields can win championships.  I do not.  

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2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I think he is a good passer

I know you guys dont really know what good QB play looks like.  But yeesh on this statement.   Seems obvious that he is a below average passer.  Most of passing is anticipation, accuracy, seeing the field.  Yeah he has a solid arm.  But a good passer?  Not exactly sure what evidence of that there is.  

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1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Not necessarily going to argue your opinion since Ive discussed it a ton.  All comes down to a segment of thr population thinking Fields is good.   I myself have seen enough.   Can he improve?  Sure.  But thus far hes a below average QB that can at times be dangerous since he has legs.  (Until he inevitably rolls and ankle and becomes obsolete)

But you msde the trade last season for this very scenario.  Grinding to 8 wins each year then trying to kick the can down thr road and draft a QB in 2 years from the 15th slot is asking a bunch.  

But I am sure you believe with a better roster, Fields can won championships.  I do not.  

Another reason I want to stick with Fields is because I'm sick of repeating the cycle.  It's the same crap every 3 years.  I'm tired of starting over.

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8 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I think he is a good passer and I still think he can improve on his decision making.  I'd like to see him playing in a good offensive scheme with better pass protection.  His teammates love him and I think team chemistry can go a long way.  He also does so much with his feet.  I enjoy watching him play.  I know many people don't agree but I don't really care.

Fields is an exciting player and I like watching him too. I just think given his deficiencies as a passer and style of play, his ceiling is maybe league average starter at best. I can’t imagine doubling down on that vs taking a swing at a franchise QB. 

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The thing I dont get is.   Well what if so and so QB we take isnt good.  Its no sure thing.  Well is it a sure thing that the few players you take with the picks after a trade down are good?  Some people act like the QB is a total dart throw and thr other positions are like shooting fish in a barrel.   Logic of that doesn't add up.  

Also what if the first pick isnt good?  Alternative is spinning wheels with Fields?  Thats a ton better?  

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

Fields is an exciting player and I like watching him too. I just think given his deficiencies as a passer and style of play, his ceiling is maybe league average starter at best. I can’t imagine doubling down on that vs taking a swing at a franchise QB. 

The Bears have never been able to draft a QB and build around him.  If they draft Williams I'm afraid they will be set back again and the cycle will just start over.

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

The Bears have never been able to draft a QB and build around him.  If they draft Williams I'm afraid they will be set back again and the cycle will just start over.

I see this all over.  You guys are certainly damaged as fans.   Deathly afraid to make a choice.  You still have to try.  Its not the same GM each time.  And you guys seems to like/trust Pace.  But dont want to give him a shot at this?  Sort of odd.  

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1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

I see this all over.  You guys are certainly damaged as fans.   Deathly afraid to make a choice.  You still have to try.  Its not the same GM each time.  And you guys seems to like/trust Pace.  But dont want to give him a shot at this?  Sort of odd.  

I want to see them build around Fields.  I don't think Williams is some kind of generational QB.  There will be another Williams if my Fields plan doesn't pan out.

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5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I want to see them build around Fields.  I don't think Williams is some kind of generational QB.  There will be another Williams if my Fields plan doesn't pan out.

There may be.  But if you grind to mid pack each year you aren't going to have these picks.  Of course if you trade back thisyear you will next year.  You cant trade back each year tho.  

Seems like a lot of Bears fans think Williams is meh.  Is it because they watch a ton of games and scout?  Or because they are just afraid to make a pick?  

Either way looks like Williams will be your QB.  

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2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

There may be.  But if you grind to mid pack each year you aren't going to have these picks.  Of course if you trade back thisyear you will next year.  You cant trade back each year tho.  

Seems like a lot of Bears fans think Williams is meh.  Is it because they watch a ton of games and scout?  Or because they are just afraid to make a pick?  

Either way looks like Williams will be your QB.  

You must not know a lot of Bears fans. 

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1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

There may be.  But if you grind to mid pack each year you aren't going to have these picks.  Of course if you trade back thisyear you will next year.  You cant trade back each year tho.  

Seems like a lot of Bears fans think Williams is meh.  Is it because they watch a ton of games and scout?  Or because they are just afraid to make a pick?  

Either way looks like Williams will be your QB.  

I still think he's a good QB and that he's worth a high pick, for the right team.  I don't think the Bears are that team.  I'd rather see them draft a top WR and build the OL.

These are just my personal preferences.  I'm not going to be pissed if they draft Williams #1.  I'll support Pace's decisions because I think he knows what he's doing.

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16 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

The Bears have never been able to draft a QB and build around him.  If they draft Williams I'm afraid they will be set back again and the cycle will just start over.

Aren’t you afraid they pass on Williams, he becomes a franchise QB elsewhere and they’re stuck with a low end starter? 

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

Aren’t you afraid they pass on Williams, he becomes a franchise QB elsewhere and they’re stuck with a low end starter? 

No.  Just because he does well with another team doesn't mean he would've been that good for the Bears.  I'm a firm believer that if the Bears drafted Mahomes he would just be another average QB.  The Bear's ownership is trash.

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2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

No.  Just because he does well with another team doesn't mean he would've been that good for the Bears.  I'm a firm believer that if the Bears drafted Mahomes he would just be another average QB.  The Bear's ownership is trash.

So its hopeless?  Lol.  Okay that settles that.  

 

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20 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

The Bears have never been able to draft a QB and build around him.  If they draft Williams I'm afraid they will be set back again and the cycle will just start over.

The Athletic had a long article about this last year.  Basically that Bears GM/coaching and QB are never on the same cycle. That between new GM hiring a new coach who wants a certain QB---then coach gets fired, new coach doesn't want that QB, then they get new QB, then that GM gets fired, it's  a never ending cycle of suck.

As a Packer fan, I approve of this method and hope you never change

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Just now, listen2me 23 said:

So its hopeless?  Lol.  Okay that settles that.  

 

I just don't get my hopes up.  The Bear's will continue doing their thing and I'll continue being a fan.  My opinions don't really matter.

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Just now, Mike Honcho said:

The Athletic had a long article about this last year.  Basically that Bears GM/coaching and QB are never on the same cycle. That between new GM hiring a new coach who wants a certain QB---then coach gets fired, new coach doesn't want that QB, then they get new QB, then that GM gets fired, it's  a never ending cycle of suck.

As a Packer fan, I approve of this method and hope you never change

Not to mention they hire thr Colts DC.  Its like when you are in the market for a young QB or already have one.....thats not the way to go.  If you want a game manager and play defense and win 20 to 14 each week then sure.  

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1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

The Athletic had a long article about this last year.  Basically that Bears GM/coaching and QB are never on the same cycle. That between new GM hiring a new coach who wants a certain QB---then coach gets fired, new coach doesn't want that QB, then they get new QB, then that GM gets fired, it's  a never ending cycle of suck.

As a Packer fan, I approve of this method and hope you never change

That's the cycle I was referring too.  A team can not be successful doing that.