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Trump's NY Election Interference Trial - Trump is found guilty on all 34 counts

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11 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm not a rainbow flag flyer, not that's there's anything wrong with that.  Yes, I am a business owner.  I'm 4th generation.  You already knew this though.

I am not a flag pole guy.  I am a Home Depot, buy a flag on a flimsy pole which gets bracketed to your house until the cheap plastic bracket breaks in the wind guy.

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God bless you guys trying to pound some sense into jonmx's granite brain. He has shown for years that he is impervious to facts and logic that do not support his world view that all liberals and democrats are evil, all conservatives and Republicans are saints, Trump is the champion of truth and justice, and anyone that disagrees with him is a fascist that deserves to be hanged.

I also forgot that he's a legal scholar despite no education and knows every subject better than the so-called experts, who are all just evil liberal elites that deserve to be hanged.

Also, fascistbootlickingmorons!

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4 minutes ago, jonmx said:

 

My arguement is not based on the judges intent.  It is wholly based upon clear legal error.   I just happen to believe the way he minupulated his instructions it was to intentional to give the jury an easy path to a guilty verdict.  But that has zero to do with the legal point I made and which you continue not to address.  

And yet that is exactly what you said in the post leading to my first comment to you in this particular discussion.  You wrote: There were dozens of clear intentional errors ..."

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2 minutes ago, Fnord said:

God bless you guys trying to pound some sense into jonmx's granite brain. He has shown for years that he is impervious to facts and logic that do not support his world view that all liberals and democrats are evil, all conservatives and Republicans are saints, Trump is the champion of truth and justice, and anyone that disagrees with him is a fascist that deserves to be hanged.

I also forgot that he's a legal scholar despite no education and knows every subject better than the so-called experts, who are all just evil liberal elites that deserve to be hanged.

Also, fascistbootlickingmorons!

Every arguement posed against me has gone down in flames.  You guys are too focking stupid to know when you lost. 

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1 minute ago, jonmx said:

Every arguement posed against me has gone down in flames.  You guys are too focking stupid to know when you lost. 

Case in point. Granite.

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1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

And yet that is exactly what you said in the post leading to my first comment to you in this particular discussion.  You wrote: There were dozens of clear intentional errors ..."

That was editorial fluff on a football message board.  The crux of the arguement was based on the state's authority to use federal law, which you have yet to comment on.  

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Many, many legal scholars, some of them the best in the world, have publicly stated this whole case is a sham.  

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Just now, jonmx said:

That was editorial fluff on a football message board.  The crux of the arguement was based on the state's authority to use federal law, which you have yet to comment on.  

Pssst, asshat... he's an attorney. You're not. He's smart. You're not. He knows what he's talking about. You don't. STFU terrorist.

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Many, many legal scholars, some of them the best in the world, have publicly stated this whole case is a sham.  

Trump should have hired them then. Except they're probably used to getting paid for their services, so they wouldn't have worked for him anyway.

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2 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Case in point. Granite.

Which has crushed every single point.  Not one of you focking idiots can point to the underlying law which applies to the case to make it a felony.  

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6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Many, many legal scholars, some of them the best in the world, have publicly stated this whole case is a sham.  

Suck it Donald, shut up

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5 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Which has crushed every single point.  Not one of you focking idiots can point to the underlying law which applies to the case to make it a felony.  

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5 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Pssst, asshat... he's an attorney. You're not. He's smart. You're not. He knows what he's talking about. You don't. STFU terrorist.

Fock you idiot.  He was not disagreeing with my legal point, but taking issues with tactics.  

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5 hours ago, jonmx said:

You are such a cuck.  Why not read some legitimate informative information like I posted above instead of worrying about what those suffering from TDS think. 

I'm pretty sure you didn't get the sarcasm in my post.  Or you meant to quote someone else.

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2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

:lol:

And yet the 1000th failure to identify what the real crime in this case was. 

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26 minutes ago, jonmx said:

That was editorial fluff on a football message board.  The crux of the arguement was based on the state's authority to use federal law, which you have yet to comment on.  

In my first post in this discussion I agreed there were six to eight reversible errors in the trial.  Did I get into them specifically, no, because as the trial occured I got into them at that time.  Do I disagree with you as to what the main issues are here for appeal, I do not.  I simply disagree with your approach to raising them.  As I have said, on appeal this is about whether the defendant recieved fundamental due process, it is not about attacking the trial court or the democratice party at large, it is about the constitution.

 

You seem to view any view different from your own as an attack rather than a slightly different perspective in essential agreement.  I find that less than fully rational.  The due process violations here have you so conflated you are beyond rational discussion with at this time.  In time you may clam down and decide not to push away those in essential agreement with your main points, those, who by the way, spent their careers arguing just such matters, not reading a few partisan republican blogs and then adopting the positions uncritically.  You Trumplicans need to get a grip.  He is not the way, the truth, and the light.  He ws a dem 12 years ago.  He saw a parade, jumped in front of it and is pretending he has been leading it all along. The blind support for this charlatan has destroyed the GOP which now stands for nothing but a cult of personality to a person with massive personality flaws.  I do thank you for the discussion, however. It has crystalized for me I cannot vote for Trump as I cannot be on the same side of an issue as folks like you and Trump.  As offended as I am at the trial process I will not show my disdain for that by supporting your candidate.  I was considering doing so but you have reminded me what that would mean.  I will continue to vote third party as I also cannot support the ongoing democratic redistribution of wealth to the indolent and stupid.

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25 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Pssst, asshat... he's an attorney. You're not. He's smart. You're not. He knows what he's talking about. You don't. STFU terrorist.

Not an attorney anymore.  I retired.  I could have chosen to maintain my license but chose to not do so precisely because I did not want others believing I am currently an attonrey.  It was the only way to get folks and institutions to stop asking me to come back and to represent them).    I fish now, and I run whitewater.  I may get one last dog to train.  I am an observer, on the sidelines, a relic from another time.

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19 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

In my first post in this discussion I agreed there were six to eight reversible errors in the trial.  Did I get into them specifically, no, because as the trial occured I got into them at that time.  Do I disagree with you as to what the main issues are here for appeal, I do not.  I simply disagree with your approach to raising them.  As I have said, on appeal this is about whether the defendant recieved fundamental due process, it is not about attacking the trial court or the democratice party at large, it is about the constitution.

 

You seem to view any view different from your own as an attack rather than a slightly different perspective in essential agreement.  I find that less than fully rational.  The due process violations here have you so conflated you are beyond rational discussion with at this time.  In time you may clam down and decide not to push away those in essential agreement with your main points, those, who by the way, spent their careers arguing just such matters, not reading a few partisan rebuplican blogs and then adopting the positions uncritically.  You Trumplicans need to get a grip.  He is not the way, the truth, and the light.  He ws a dem 12 years ago.  He saw a parade, jumped in front of it and is pretending he has been leading it all along. The blind support for this charlatan has destroyed the GOP which now stands for nothing but a cult of personality to a person with massive personality flaws.  I do thank you for the discussion, however. Iit has crystalized for me I cannot vote for Trump as I cannot be on the same side of an issue as folks like you and Trump.  As offended as i am atg the trial process I will not show my disdain for taht by supporting your candidate.  I was considering doing so but you have reminded me what that would mean.  I will continue to vote third party as i also cannot support the ongoing democratic redistribution of wealth to the indolent and stupid.

Trumpeter?  Hardly, this will be my first time voting for him.  The last 4 years have opened up my eyes to just how evil and corrupt the deep state apparatus has become.   

Third parties?  Good luck with that.  The Libertarians have just nominated a wokist far-leftist who is still virtue-signalling with a mask in 2024.  RFK jr?  For someone who believes his father and uncle were killed by the CIA, he still seems to love big government power.  A real enigma.

I see how much power has accumulated in the executive branch with absolutely no oversight and no accountability and believe our government is rogue.   They are firmly in bed with corporate giants and robbing us blind, censoring all our information, and creating huge profiles on each and every one of us should we dare to stand up.

Is Trump going to fix this mess?  I doubt it, but at least he has shown the balls to take it on.  

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Good morning. I’ve been highly skeptical that this verdict would make any difference in terms of the election. But the overnight reaction by Republican politicians, conservatives, right wing pundits, is so over the top, so extreme, so fundamentally anti-American and our system of justice (IMO), that now I’m wondering if the rest of us will find it as offensive as I do. 

One example among literally hundreds: Hugh Hewitt, who has always had the reputation of “reasonable” right wing pundit and “legal expert”, suggested last night that this was the equivalent to the Dobbs decision in terms of how “real Americans” would react. 

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Trump needs to start playing Lawyers, Guns and Money at his rallies. 

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Wow. He’s really gone. 

I missed the beginning. But what I've heard, he is rambling, ranting and almost incoherent.

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https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1796564375941284285

Let’s be crystal clear:

Trump could have testified. No one stopped him from doing so. No one forced him to sit there and not take the stand in his own defense.

Trump, himself, decided not to testify.

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36 minutes ago, jonmx said:

And yet the 1000th failure to identify what the real crime in this case was. 

Multiple people have told you multiple times.  You have your head in your ass.

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2 minutes ago, squistion said:

https://x.com/AhmedBaba_/status/1796564624415817849

MSNBC and CNN have both cut away from Trump’s remarks, and immediately dove into fact-checks of his lies

LOL here is a fact check:  You don't say???

Trump says that witnesses on his side during his trial were "literally crucified" (fact check: false)

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Just now, supermike80 said:

Gag order doesn't apply to the Judge

No, but the judge is going to be the one sentencing him, so it not wise to keep poking the tiger, IMO. 

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3 minutes ago, squistion said:

No, but the judge is going to be the one sentencing him, so it not wise to keep poking the tiger, IMO. 

Wasn't what your post said.   But hey, move the goalposts. Why not

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Just now, supermike80 said:

Wasn't what your post said.   But hey, move the goalposts. Why not

That what Ahmed Baba said. I think he probably knows that judge is not covered, he was just reminding his readers that Trump is still under a gag order (in the second sentence of the tweet). 

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8 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Multiple people have told you multiple times.  You have your head in your ass.

No they haven't.  Being a moron and saying Election Interference just shows you are too stupid to know what election interference is.  

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https://x.com/AhmedBaba_/status/1796566793945063885

Everything Trump is saying right now can be taken into consideration at sentencing. Judges typically weigh whether the defendant has shown remorse. Judge Merchan, who Trump just called "a devil," certainly isn't seeing any remorse from this defendant.

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20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Good morning. I’ve been highly skeptical that this verdict would make any difference in terms of the election. But the overnight reaction by Republican politicians, conservatives, right wing pundits, is so over the top, so extreme, so fundamentally anti-American and our system of justice (IMO), that now I’m wondering if the rest of us will find it as offensive as I do. 

One example among literally hundreds: Hugh Hewitt, who has always had the reputation of “reasonable” right wing pundit and “legal expert”, suggested last night that this was the equivalent to the Dobbs decision in terms of how “real Americans” would react. 

So you find all of that anti-American but not the Kangaroo Court and Trial?  GTFO, Tim.

The NY DA met with Biden 20 times prior to the trial and had to make up felony charges in order to "get him".

The only anti-Americans in here is everyone on your side of the aisle who thinks this was legit.  Biden went after his political opponent like a dictator does - the same "dictator" you want to accuse Trump of being.

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