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[BeachGuy23 642]

14 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

They codified the ability in early 2022 in anticipation of Dobbs.  And it extended access, especially to folks from out of state.

Your statement that Trump "took away a woman's right to choose" is a lie. H W Bush appointed Thomas, and W Bush appointed Alito and Roberts.  Conservative presidents appoint conservative justices, whoda thunk?  

How many states have full or mostly full bans on abortion?

Those women lost their right to choose.  Unless you argue that laws don’t impact rights?

Trump was directly responsible for this via his nominating 3 judges who’d vote to do this.

 

[jerryskids 6,546]

12 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

How many states have full or mostly full bans on abortion?

Those women lost their right to choose.  Unless you argue that laws don’t impact rights?

Trump was directly responsible for this via his nominating 3 judges who’d vote to do this.

 

"Directly responsible" means... directly responsible.  At worst, he is indirectly responsible.

But even that's silly.  See my last post.  Republicans appoint conservative justices.  The presidents are not responsible for every decision those justices make.

Or would you have expected Trump to nominate three Sotomayors?  

 

[BeachGuy23 642]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

"Directly responsible" means... directly responsible.  At worst, he is indirectly responsible.

But even that's silly.  See my last post.  Republicans appoint conservative justices.  The presidents are not responsible for every decision those justices make.

Or would you have expected Trump to nominate three Sotomayors?  

 

So you agree that the SCOTUS took away rights for women in this country in many states?

And you agree that Trump's SCOTUS judges were the ones who made this possible by skewing the court conservative?

Good, we agree. 

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5 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

So you agree that the SCOTUS took away rights for women in this country in many states?

And you agree that Trump's SCOTUS judges were the ones who made this possible by skewing the court conservative?

Good, we agree. 

That's ridiculous. Women still have the right to choose not to get pregnant. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

50 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

They codified the ability in early 2022 in anticipation of Dobbs.  And it extended access, especially to folks from out of state.

Your statement that Trump "took away a woman's right to choose" is a lie. H W Bush appointed Thomas, and W Bush appointed Alito and Roberts.  Conservative presidents appoint conservative justices, whoda thunk?  

Dummy, trump said that he killed roe v wade, he brags about it all the time.

Stop gaslighting.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-was-able-kill-roe-v-wade-rcna84897

[GutterBoy 2,898]

5 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

That's ridiculous. Women still have the right to choose not to get pregnant. 

Women have a choice of getting raped?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

13 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

That's ridiculous. Women still have the right to choose not to get pregnant. 

Also, abortion was never a "right" to begin with, rectified by SCOTUS.  The original ruling was, as everyone knows, based on some incorrect and obscure interpretation of the Constitution.  Everyone knew it was BS and it was only a matter of time before it was rectified.  The left KNEW this for 50 years and did nothing and when SCOTUS finally did something they cried like f'n babies.

[5-Points 3,385]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Women have a choice of getting raped?

If Biden would stop letting so many rapists into the country women would be a lot safer. 

[lickin_starfish 1,888]

https://x.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1795846715133599780

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3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Also, abortion was never a "right to begin with, rectified by SCOTUS.  The original ruling was, as everyone knows, based on some incorrect and obscure interpretation of the Constitution.  Everyone knew it was BS and it was only a matter of time before it was rectified.  The left KNEW this for 50 years and did nothing and when SCOTUS finally did something they cried like f'n babies.

They had plenty of time to codify it, they chose not to. 

[squistion 1,940]

5 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Also, abortion was never a "right" to begin with, rectified by SCOTUS.  The original ruling was, as everyone knows, based on some incorrect and obscure interpretation of the Constitution.  Everyone knew it was BS and it was only a matter of time before it was rectified.  The left KNEW this for 50 years and did nothing and when SCOTUS finally did something they cried like f'n babies.

Um, no. Everyone didn't know or believe that.

[jerryskids 6,546]

27 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

So you agree that the SCOTUS took away rights for women in this country in many states?

And you agree that Trump's SCOTUS judges were the ones who made this possible by skewing the court conservative?

Good, we agree. 

You don't understand logic.  Carry on.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

7 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

If Biden would stop letting so many rapists into the country women would be a lot safer. 

The overwhelming majority of rapists in this country are here legally.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

3 minutes ago, squistion said:

Um, no. Everyone didn't know or believe that.

Yes they most certainly did.  You not wanting to believe it doesn't mean it didn't happen.  Everyone with a functioning brain knew it.

Even your beloved RBG knew it:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/05/06/ruth-bader-ginsburg-roe-wade/

And your beloved LA Times: https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-05-03/how-roe-vs-wade-went-wrong-broad-new-right-to-abortion-rested-on-a-shaky-legal-foundation

Plenty more where this came from, loser.

[jerryskids 6,546]

16 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Dummy, trump said that he killed roe v wade, he brags about it all the time.

Stop gaslighting.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-was-able-kill-roe-v-wade-rcna84897

Trump says something and that makes it true?  Is this the new Leftist position?

You are the one gaslighting, turning the nomination of justices (confirmed by congress) into Trump being responsible.

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6 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

The overwhelming majority of rapists in this country are here legally.

Then you agree we should be doing everything we can to keep those from other countries from coming across our border. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You don't understand logic.  Carry on.

Wow.

Next time just say uncle boyo.

I’m embarrassed for you.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Just now, jerryskids said:

Trump says something and that makes it true?  Is this the new Leftist position?

You are the one gaslighting, turning the nomination of justices (confirmed by congress) into Trump being responsible.

I can see I need to dumb this down for you.

When more people see and hear trump saying that he killed roe, he's gonna lose votes.  When he says on the debate stage that he killed roe and he's to thank for states making abortion illegal, he's gonna lose votes.

It is funny to see you as a trump supporter arguing that Trump doesn't know what he's talking about

[5-Points 3,385]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I can see I need to dumb this down for you.

When more people see and hear trump saying that he killed roe, he's gonna lose votes.  When he says on the debate stage that he killed roe and he's to thank for states making abortion illegal, he's gonna lose votes.

It is funny to see you as a trump supporter arguing that Trump doesn't know what he's talking about

The overwhelming majority of those people weren't voting for Trump to begin with. He's easily making up for that with the increase in black and latino votes. 

[jerryskids 6,546]

9 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Wow.

Next time just say uncle boyo.

I’m embarrassed for you.

I already explained why you are wrong.  As usual, you don't get it.  Carry on.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

13 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I already explained why you are wrong.  As usual, you don't get it.  Carry on.

Like his girlfriend torridJoe, he's more interested in jerking his own pud and patting himself on the back for made up "wins" than he is about wanting to know the truth.

[jerryskids 6,546]

11 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I can see I need to dumb this down for you.

When more people see and hear trump saying that he killed roe, he's gonna lose votes.  When he says on the debate stage that he killed roe and he's to thank for states making abortion illegal, he's gonna lose votes.

It is funny to see you as a trump supporter arguing that Trump doesn't know what he's talking about

Oh, I agree that his (falsely) bragging that he killed Roe will cause a lot of people to vote against him.  Maybe some for him, the religious folks like weepaws who otherwise don't like his debauchery.

And as I implied, it's funny to see you as a TDS Leftie arguing that Trump is the arbiter of truth.   

[GutterBoy 2,898]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Oh, I agree that his (falsely) bragging that he killed Roe will cause a lot of people to vote against him.  Maybe some for him, the religious folks like weepaws who otherwise don't like his debauchery.

And as I implied, it's funny to see you as a TDS Leftie arguing that Trump is the arbiter of truth.   

Ok I need to dumb it down for you again.

I'm not arguing that Trump is the arbiter of truth.  He clearly lies all the time.

But when he brags about killing roe v wade, that's gonna turn people off, normal people, not trump dik suckers like you who will make any excuse to support the fool.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,903]

Nice Saturday night you boyos got going here. Middle aged men pretending they give a Fock about abortion. Unless they really do, which is even worse. 

[Mark Davis 338]

5 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

The 8 million number isn’t accurate at all- it’s far less: 

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/breaking-down-the-immigration-figures/

In any case the flow of undocumented immigrants isn’t hurting us at all. It’s not affecting our economy and violent crime remains at record low numbers. So I’ve never understood why this is felt to be such a major issue. 

We've had these discussions before, even the economics of it.  I'm convinced you're wrong, you're convinced I'm wrong.  I don't think it's particularly close.  We can't be giving people free healthcare, housing them, and educating them.  It's breaking us, and it's breaking our cities.  That doesn't even get into the dangers of allowing unfettered migration of people over our border where we have no clue who they are.  

[seafoam1 2,797]

4 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

We've had these discussions before, even the economics of it.  I'm convinced you're wrong, you're convinced I'm wrong.  I don't think it's particularly close.  We can't be giving people free healthcare, housing them, and educating them.  It's breaking us, and it's breaking our cities.  That doesn't even get into the dangers of allowing unfettered migration of people over our border where we have no clue who they are.  

You are wasting your time with that guy. Illegals flooding the country puts food on his plate at home. Finding and paying for cheap labor is his only life skill. He doesn't understand anything outside of that world he lives in. 

And you can trash Trump all you like, but that doesn't change the fact that he is the right guy for the job in this shlthole government that has been forming under the liberal collective in this country. We need an extremist like Trump to balance the power. And it doesn't hurt that his policies are in line with the cleaning up of this country. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 hour ago, BeachGuy23 said:

So you agree that the SCOTUS took away rights for women in this country in many states?

And you agree that Trump's SCOTUS judges were the ones who made this possible by skewing the court conservative?

Good, we agree. 

Of course Jerry knows that to be true but he can’t help but try to sell a lie. Guess it’s the salesman in him 

[jerryskids 6,546]

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Ok I need to dumb it down for you again.

I'm not arguing that Trump is the arbiter of truth.  He clearly lies all the time.

But when he brags about killing roe v wade, that's gonna turn people off, normal people, not trump dik suckers like you who will make any excuse to support the fool.

I'll type slower for you.  You lied about Trump restricting abortion rights -- he appointed conservative justices, like the Bushes did before him.  That is what I replied to you about.

When you moved the goalposts and said that Trump's bragging about doing it can lose him votes, I agreed.

Get it?

[jerryskids 6,546]

30 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Of course Jerry knows that to be true but he can’t help but try to sell a lie. Guess it’s the salesman in him 

Yes, and that means that Trump is directly responsible for SCOTUS decisions.  See my earlier comment about your impressive ability to draw idiotic conclusions.  Or don't, I have very low expectations for you.   

[The Real timschochet 6,388]

1 hour ago, Mark Davis said:

We've had these discussions before, even the economics of it.  I'm convinced you're wrong, you're convinced I'm wrong.  I don't think it's particularly close.  We can't be giving people free healthcare, housing them, and educating them.  It's breaking us, and it's breaking our cities.  That doesn't even get into the dangers of allowing unfettered migration of people over our border where we have no clue who they are.  

You seem like a reasonable guy compared to some on this issue. But it’s frustrating that I can’t get through to you on two basic points: 

1. The economic benefits of undocumented immigrants far outweigh the economic costs. 

2.  Even putting aside all humane factors: The cost of rounding up and deporting millions of people would overwhelm our resources and would be a greater burden on our society than any costs created by undocumented immigrants 

My first point is debatable. I believe that it’s absolutely 100% true but I respect those who don’t because it’s a complicated issue. 

My second point is NOT debatable. It’s obvious to anyone who has studied this subject. Which is why Trump‘s “solution” is worse than the problem. It will never work but even to attempt it seriously will cause both untold misery and a severe economic crisis. Which is why whatever one thinks of Joe Biden regarding this issue, he is OBJECTIVELY preferable to Trump. 

 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Yes, and that means that Trump is directly responsible for SCOTUS decisions.  See my earlier comment about your impressive ability to draw idiotic conclusions.  Or don't, I have very low expectations for you.   

Absolutely no one buys your bullsh1t, bud.

Not even HT  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

6 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I'll type slower for you.  You lied about Trump restricting abortion rights -- he appointed conservative justices, like the Bushes did before him.  That is what I replied to you about.

When you moved the goalposts and said that Trump's bragging about doing it can lose him votes, I agreed.

Get it?

Yes I get that you're trying to minimize the part he played in turning over roe v wade because you need to do this for your own psyche.  Maybe it helps explain to your daughters why you're voting for the guy responsible I don't know.  You wanna absolve trump and blame the entire party, sure, you're voting for the party that got rid women's rights, sure.

Still the fact remains that he appointed the judges needed to get it done.  He brags about this.  Republicans want to do more to restrict rights.  Fock they just blocked a contraception protection act last week.  Voters need to know this.  Women need to know this and vote accordingly.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,903]

Democrats put forth a show vote on contraception “protection”, gullible, useful idiots like Gutterboy fall for it, as intended. Protection from what? 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

19 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Democrats put forth a show vote on contraception “protection”, gullible, useful idiots like Gutterboy fall for it, as intended. Protection from what? 

Show vote  that's a good lil minion, repeat what you're told.

Of course you're ignoring your favorite grifter on the supreme court that said Griswold v Connecticut should be looked at. Of course you're ignoring that many states are banning abortion pills. Many Republicans in talking about how contraception is bad or wrong.

And of course the elephant in the room that women's right assault by the right started with striking down roe and it continues.

Trump himself said he's open to contraception bans for focks sake.

Where are we? It's not widespread?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,903]

Gullibleboy

[lickin_starfish 1,888]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

Republicans want to do more to restrict rights.

Which party tried to use OSHA to force a medical experiment on American workers?

[GutterBoy 2,898]

3 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

Which party tried to use OSHA to force a medical experiment on American workers?

You need therapy.

[lickin_starfish 1,888]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

You need therapy.

So, you have no legitimate response. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

7 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

So, you have no legitimate response. 

Legitimate response is that the vaccine was not a medical experiment.  Still, I disagreed with the vaccine mandates.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,689]

9 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

You are wasting your time with that guy. Illegals flooding the country puts food on his plate at home. Finding and paying for cheap labor is his only life skill. He doesn't understand anything outside of that world he lives in. 

And you can trash Trump all you like, but that doesn't change the fact that he is the right guy for the job in this shlthole government that has been forming under the liberal collective in this country. We need an extremist like Trump to balance the power. And it doesn't hurt that his policies are in line with the cleaning up of this country. 

This is why we need @seafoam1 manning his post.  Welcome back brother.