Trump talk only- no Eagles talk allowed (Steelers talk is OK though)

[The Real timschochet 6,388]

Biden inching closer in Florida: 

https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article289090944.html

I know,  it’s a long shot but if Biden could somehow win Florida it would be an early night. There is an abortion bill on the ballot there that could swing it…

[Baker Boy 1,687]

14 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

The overwhelming majority of rapists in this country are here legally.

Reductio ad absurdum

[Mark Davis 338]

11 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

You seem like a reasonable guy compared to some on this issue. But it’s frustrating that I can’t get through to you on two basic points: 

1. The economic benefits of undocumented immigrants far outweigh the economic costs. 

2.  Even putting aside all humane factors: The cost of rounding up and deporting millions of people would overwhelm our resources and would be a greater burden on our society than any costs created by undocumented immigrants 

My first point is debatable. I believe that it’s absolutely 100% true but I respect those who don’t because it’s a complicated issue. 

My second point is NOT debatable. It’s obvious to anyone who has studied this subject. Which is why Trump‘s “solution” is worse than the problem. It will never work but even to attempt it seriously will cause both untold misery and a severe economic crisis. Which is why whatever one thinks of Joe Biden regarding this issue, he is OBJECTIVELY preferable to Trump. 

 

I understand your view, but we simply disagree on both.  I spent much of my career running financial models for a Fortune 500 company where not only sale and acquisition costs/revenues were taken in, but the ancillary financial effects of those situations were modeled.  I run my own business today and still model financial things like few do because it's just the way I was trained.  So I understand quite well there are downstream economic effects of any action taken and I have taken those into consideration when forming an opinion. 

I'm here to tell you that regardless of what either of us believe, that both items you mention above change degree and potentially even where something is an economic cost or detriment based on volume.  It's my belief that volume of equilibrium when it comes to immigration, specifically illegal immigration, is well below what we have seen under the Biden administration.  I don't think it would be reasonable to argue we could take in 1 billion refugees and it would be a net positive impact.  I also don't think it's reasonable to believe that if we had zero immigration and we allowed one immigrant in who filled a much needed job and paid taxes that he would be a detriment.  If that makes sense, which I think anyone being reasonable would agree, then we agree the number is likely somewhere in the middle.  So the question is only where is that number?

Now when it comes to security and knowing who is entering, in my view that should not even be up for debate.  It's simply asinine what we are doing.

[The Real timschochet 6,388]

1 minute ago, Mark Davis said:

I understand your view, but we simply disagree on both.  I spent much of my career running financial models for a Fortune 500 company where not only sale and acquisition costs/revenues were taken in, but the ancillary financial effects of those situations were modeled.  I run my own business today and still model financial things like few do because it's just the way I was trained.  So I understand quite well there are downstream economic effects of any action taken and I have taken those into consideration when forming an opinion. 

I'm here to tell you that regardless of what either of us believe, that both items you mention above change degree and potentially even where something is an economic cost or detriment based on volume.  It's my belief that volume of equilibrium when it comes to immigration, specifically illegal immigration, is well below what we have seen under the Biden administration.  I don't think it would be reasonable to argue we could take in 1 billion refugees and it would be a net positive impact.  I also don't think it's reasonable to believe that if we had zero immigration and we allowed one immigrant in who filled a much needed job and paid taxes that he would be a detriment.  If that makes sense, which I think anyone being reasonable would agree, then we agree the number is likely somewhere in the middle.  So the question is only where is that number?

Now when it comes to security and knowing who is entering, in my view that should not even be up for debate.  It's simply asinine what we are doing.

Fair enough. 

[seafoam1 2,797]

7 hours ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

This is why we need @seafoam1 manning his post.  Welcome back brother.  

We gotta keep the truth alive. 

[Voltaire 5,181]

On 6/8/2024 at 11:01 AM, Pimpadeaux said:

As MAGAturds continue to whine about their lost freedoms - never mind that they have taken away rights or want to take away rights of women regarding abortion and the LGBTQ community, among other things - and falsely claim that Democrats are pushing toward authoritarianism, here is a chilling point-by-point account of Clownzo's platform and what he'd do if re-elected, and so much of it is right out of the dictator playbook. This country is focked if he gets back in office.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/07/us/politics/trump-policy-list-2025.html

So much for people exercising their free speech to criticize him.

Just like they do in Russia, China, Iran and elsewhere.

He wants to be a dictator with Putin-like power.

 

And meanwhile you fully support the people who opened the Banana Republic box by prosecuting the political opposition.

You may not have notices Trump never locked HER up. Until Joe Biden, we never did this.

[seafoam1 2,797]

10 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

And meanwhile you fully support the people who opened the Banana Republic box by prosecuting the political opposition.

You may not have notices Trump never locked HER up. Until Joe Biden, we never did this.

EVERY liberal is a moron. Their collective doesn't allow them to recognize the truth of what's going on right in front of their eyes. They are all begging for a dictatorship. 

[Voltaire 5,181]

12 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

EVERY liberal is a moron. Their collective doesn't allow them to recognize the truth of what's going on right in front of their eyes. They are all begging for a dictatorship. 

Anyone who thinks "Democracy is on the line" this election should vote for Trump or Kennedy. 

It's nauseating seeing Biden-lemmings use this placard. "Trump might do to us this time what he didn't do to us last time, but is exactly what we are doing to him and his supporters."

Fock off. Go to a Hamas rally and shove a torched American flag up your ass.

[seafoam1 2,797]

5 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Anyone who thinks "Democracy is on the line" this election should vote for Trump or Kennedy. 

It's nauseating seeing Biden-lemmings use this placard. "Trump might do to us this time what he didn't do to us last time, but is exactly what we are doing to him and his supporters."

Fock off. Go to a Hamas rally and shove a torched American flag up your ass.

It's mind-boggling how absolutely stupid they are. They are such a curse on this country. A plague. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

29 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

It's mind-boggling how absolutely stupid they are. They are such a curse on this country. A plague. 

Yeah that’s not fascist at all

[seafoam1 2,797]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

Yeah that’s not fascist at all

So in your world, truth is fascist? 

[thegeneral 2,877]

14 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Anyone who thinks "Democracy is on the line" this election should vote for Trump or Kennedy. 

It's nauseating seeing Biden-lemmings use this placard. "Trump might do to us this time what he didn't do to us last time, but is exactly what we are doing to him and his supporters."

Fock off. Go to a Hamas rally and shove a torched American flag up your ass.

I think the gist of the “democracy is on the line” shtick is last election Trump lost. He then tired to get alternate electors into place, he asked a state to find votes, he asked his VP to not certify the election, he asked his AG to say it was rigged, he ramped up a bunch of rubes to the point the went nuts and attacked the US Capitol and he now argues to the SC that the office of the Prez has complete immunity from anything.

 

[MDC 7,111]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

I think the gist of the “democracy is on the line” shtick is last election Trump lost. He then tired to get alternate electors into place, he asked a state to find votes, he asked his VP to not certify the election, he asked his AG to say it was rigged, he ramped up a bunch of rubes to the point the went nuts and attacked the US Capitol and he now argues to the SC that the office of the Prez has complete immunity from anything.

 

That’s crazy talk! You crazy!  

[RLLD 4,143]

16 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Anyone who thinks "Democracy is on the line" this election should vote for Trump or Kennedy. 

It's nauseating seeing Biden-lemmings use this placard. "Trump might do to us this time what he didn't do to us last time, but is exactly what we are doing to him and his supporters."

Fock off. Go to a Hamas rally and shove a torched American flag up your ass.

Democrats would not use this tactic if they were not pretty sure enough people would consume it and believe it.....   It really shows how stupid they think we are.

[seafoam1 2,797]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Democrats would not use this tactic if they were not pretty sure enough people would consume it and believe it.....   It really shows how stupid they think we are.

You mean how stupid they know their base is. Just look at those talk show focks just spreading that liberal filth to their deranged fans who believe it as gospel.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,689]

2 hours ago, thegeneral said:

I think the gist of the “democracy is on the line” shtick is last election Trump lost. He then tired to get alternate electors into place, he asked a state to find votes, he asked his VP to not certify the election, he asked his AG to say it was rigged, he ramped up a bunch of rubes to the point the went nuts and attacked the US Capitol and he now argues to the SC that the office of the Prez has complete immunity from anything.

 

Trump should have simply had all Biden family members arrested as soon as the Hunter laptop was found and examined.  That’s the way protectors of democracy operate.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

2 hours ago, thegeneral said:

I think the gist of the “democracy is on the line” shtick is last election Trump lost. He then tired to get alternate electors into place, he asked a state to find votes, he asked his VP to not certify the election, he asked his AG to say it was rigged, he ramped up a bunch of rubes to the point the went nuts and attacked the US Capitol and he now argues to the SC that the office of the Prez has complete immunity from anything.

 

This is exactly it, and anyone that thinks these actions are congruent with democracy is a traitor.

[thegeneral 2,877]

25 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Trump should have simply had all Biden family members arrested as soon as the Hunter laptop was found and examined.  That’s the way protectors of democracy operate.  

The Prez would have them arrested?

[RLLD 4,143]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

The Prez would have them arrested?

That appears to be how our system now operates..... 

[edjr 6,578]

2 hours ago, thegeneral said:

I think the gist of the “democracy is on the line” shtick is last election Trump lost. He then tired to get alternate electors into place, he asked a state to find votes, he asked his VP to not certify the election, he asked his AG to say it was rigged, he ramped up a bunch of rubes to the point the went nuts and attacked the US Capitol and he now argues to the SC that the office of the Prez has complete immunity from anything.

 

He should have just whaled and said RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION!

[thegeneral 2,877]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

That appears to be how our system now operates..... 

Biden had Trump arrested. Missed that.

[BeachGuy23 642]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Biden had Trump arrested. Missed that.

You were unaware?  And Biden's DOJ is the one that concealed the laptop.

Biden's basically a time travelling mastermind while also being a senile pants chitter.

Cultist are so freaking stupid...SMH

[RLLD 4,143]

9 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Biden had Trump arrested. Missed that.

I know you did. 

[thegeneral 2,877]

8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I know you did. 

That’s because he didn’t.

Instead of pointing out how ridiculous these Trump MAGA people sound when they cheer on that idiot talking about arresting his political opponents you decide to take issue with this.

[RLLD 4,143]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

That’s because he didn’t.

Instead of pointing out how ridiculous these Trump MAGA people sound when they cheer on that idiot talking about arresting his political opponents you decide to take issue with this.

It could be true that it was someone else in his staff......I mean....I think we have to accept that Biden himself is not likely making any decisions....so in a sense you are likely correct....but the white house is absolutely adopting Russian=style opposition elimination....without question....

[MDC 7,111]

It’s sort of incredible the amount of mental gymnastics you need to jump through to convince yourself that Trump is the victim of a mass bipartisan conspiracy to bring him down. Even his own judges and appointees are in on it! Some of you guys should write for Hollywood.

The opposite premise is a lot simpler: Trump is a grifting lowlife piece of sh1t. We’ve known it for decades. 

[thegeneral 2,877]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It could be true that it was someone else in his staff......I mean....I think we have to accept that Biden himself is not likely making any decisions....so in a sense you are likely correct....but the white house is absolutely adopting Russian=style opposition elimination....without question....

oh ok.

Trump by the way is actively talking about this. While he was Prez he booted AG’s for not listening to him, he talked about them not doing what he wanted aloud. But go ahead with whatever you are talking about now. 

[RLLD 4,143]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

oh ok.

Trump by the way is actively talking about this. While he was Prez he booted AG’s for not listening to him, he talked about them not doing what he wanted aloud. But go ahead with whatever you are talking about now. 

Politicians are mostly the same....so I am rather confident that the Republicans will do this back to your preferred candidate at some point in the future, our of some revenge probably....

So when that happens, you should absolutely object.....and please find me, because it will still be wrong at that time as well.

 

[thegeneral 2,877]

Just now, RLLD said:

Politicians are mostly the same....so I am rather confident that the Republicans will do this back to your preferred candidate at some point in the future, our of some revenge probably....

So when that happens, you should absolutely object.....and please find me, because it will still be wrong at that time as well.

 

Yeah Trump has said he will do it

He canned Sessions for doing his job. Barr quit because he wouldn’t tell Trump the election was rigged. So you can save the act here. TIA.

[RLLD 4,143]

20 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Yeah Trump has said he will do it

He canned Sessions for doing his job. Barr quit because he wouldn’t tell Trump the election was rigged. So you can save the act here. TIA.

Right.....except that is not what he actually said, but I get it....when Trump says something you  look for how to spin into the negative...this to justify some misplaced dislike....when Biden does it, not big deal.....

When in reality, neither is  big deal....both often say silly things that we need not pretend are evidence of anything....

[thegeneral 2,877]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Right.....except that is not what he actually said, but I get it....when Trump says something you  look for how to spin into the negative...this to justify some misplaced dislike....when Biden does it, not big deal.....

When in reality, neither is  big deal....both often say silly things that we need not pretend are evidence of anything....

Here’s the thing. Go ahead and get after Biden all you want (hint - they have been for years).

Just spare me the babe in the woods act we are getting here with Donald and his treatment he is getting for all the various shet he’s focked up and is now getting busted for. 

If he had his way the Prez is completely immune . Sounds great!

[RLLD 4,143]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Here’s the thing. Go ahead and get after Biden all you want (hint - they have been for years).

Just spare me the babe in the woods act we are getting here with Donald and his treatment he is getting for all the various shet he’s focked up and is now getting busted for. 

If he had his way the Prez is completely immune . Sounds great!

Well, since I have always admitted what Trump is.....the "babe in the woods" act seems misplaced.....

But again, later....you can expect this being done back.....and you will rightly object, because it will still be wrong...even if only because the political circumstances might allow you to see the problem....your malleable morality will allow us to at least temporarily be in lock step. 

[seafoam1 2,797]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Here’s the thing. Go ahead and get after Biden all you want (hint - they have been for years).

Just spare me the babe in the woods act we are getting here with Donald and his treatment he is getting for all the various shet he’s focked up and is now getting busted for. 

If he had his way the Prez is completely immune . Sounds great!

Lame. 

Nothing new from you...

[Voltaire 5,181]

Some Dingb*tch says "I have no evidence and didn't tell anyone at the time it happened, but Donald Trump raped me 40 years ago," and a Manhattan jury from a voter pool that went 95% for Biden  gave her $88M. 

Then Donald Trump takes out a loan and pays it back but the Democrats prosecutor gets in the weeds and says "you didn't return your library book on time, we're going to confiscate Trump Tower," and a Manhattan jury agrees this is reasonable.

Then Trump pays a hooker* to cover up an affair and that's an election interference felony according to the same kangaroo court in New York.

Meanwhile, unprosecuted election interference are deliberate efforts of the Deep State to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story and the fake Steele dossier about Russian collusion.

 

[BeachGuy23 642]

14 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Some Dingb*tch says "I have no evidence and didn't tell anyone at the time it happened, but Donald Trump raped me 40 years ago," and a Manhattan jury from a voter pool that went 95% for Biden  gave her $88M. 

Then Donald Trump takes out a loan and pays it back but the Democrats prosecutor gets in the weeds and says "you didn't return your library book on time, we're going to confiscate Trump Tower," and a Manhattan jury agrees this is reasonable.

Then Trump pays a hooker* to cover up an affair and that's an election interference felony according to the same kangaroo court in New York.

Meanwhile, unprosecuted election interference are deliberate efforts of the Deep State to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story and the fake Steele dossier about Russian collusion.

 

When he was found to have stolen from his fake charity was that just NY being a big ol' meanie?

How about when he defrauded his cultist via his fake college?  Just NY being a big ol' meanie to Trump?

He's a good boy.  He dindunuffin right?

[GutterBoy 2,898]

34 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Some Dingb*tch says "I have no evidence and didn't tell anyone at the time it happened, but Donald Trump raped me 40 years ago," and a Manhattan jury from a voter pool that went 95% for Biden  gave her $88M. 

Then Donald Trump takes out a loan and pays it back but the Democrats prosecutor gets in the weeds and says "you didn't return your library book on time, we're going to confiscate Trump Tower," and a Manhattan jury agrees this is reasonable.

Then Trump pays a hooker* to cover up an affair and that's an election interference felony according to the same kangaroo court in New York.

Meanwhile, unprosecuted election interference are deliberate efforts of the Deep State to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story and the fake Steele dossier about Russian collusion.

 

This is funny stuff.

[Voltaire 5,181]

11 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

This is funny stuff.

Fining and putting your political opponent in jail over bullsh*t is banana republic stuff that we didn't do, not even to HER, until 2024.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Fining and putting your political opponent in jail over bullsh*t is banana republic stuff that we didn't do, not even to HER, until 2024.

You're opinion of everything that went down is wildly inaccurate.  I would be pissed like you if that was what actually happened too so I don't blame you.  You just need to get the actual facts and then you'll be fine.

[seafoam1 2,797]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Fining and putting your political opponent in jail over bullsh*t is banana republic stuff that we didn't do, not even to HER, until 2024.

They don't care. They are beyond understanding. These idiots would have been the first in line to sign up for military service in Nazi Germany. Hoping to be in the SS. 

[OldMaid 2,129]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

It’s sort of incredible the amount of mental gymnastics you need to jump through to convince yourself that Trump is the victim of a mass bipartisan conspiracy to bring him down. Even his own judges and appointees are in on it! Some of you guys should write for Hollywood.

The opposite premise is a lot simpler: Trump is a grifting lowlife piece of sh1t. We’ve known it for decades. 

I once heard: If you don’t recognize the con then you’re the mark.