Trump talk only- no Eagles talk allowed (Steelers talk is OK though)

[Bill E. 703]

4 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Hang in there Joe, rest up and get over this COVID. The media and their allies: Pelosi, Schumer, and Obama all want you to leave/ They are all hiding stilettos when they claim they just want to 'talk to' you and cannot be trusted anymore.

Tell them to fock off and get in line. Just start campaigning again next week. When you lock up the nomination, this will all pass.

 

Agree.  i hope this continues as long as possible.  Don't drop out Joe.  You've got this. 

The people calling for him to step aside do not care about him or how competent the person on top is.  If the polls were saying he was ahead of Trump they all would be saying he is sharp as a tack he is and how much energy he has.  They are only concerned about losing to Trump not what is best for the country.

 

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

16 minutes ago, Bill E. said:

Agree.  i hope this continues as long as possible.  Don't drop out Joe.  You've got this. 

The people calling for him to step aside do not care about him or how competent the person on top is.  If the polls were saying he was ahead of Trump they all would be saying he is sharp as a tack he is and how much energy he has.  They are only concerned about losing to Trump not what is best for the country.

 

Perhaps not losing to Trump is what is best for the country? I certainly think so. 

[Voltaire 5,316]

19 minutes ago, Bill E. said:

Agree.  i hope this continues as long as possible.  Don't drop out Joe.  You've got this. 

The people calling for him to step aside do not care about him or how competent the person on top is.  If the polls were saying he was ahead of Trump they all would be saying he is sharp as a tack he is and how much energy he has.  They are only concerned about losing to Trump not what is best for the country.

 

They all knew this and didn't care. They only started caring when Biden's mental issues went public.

[IndyColtsFan 325]

This should be a megatoof contest or something. Come closest to guessing the hour of the day that The Bidenator will drop out.

[Voltaire 5,316]

 

[League Champion 1,911]

9 hours ago, IndyColtsFan said:

This should be a megatoof contest or something. Come closest to guessing the hour of the day that The Bidenator will drop out.

 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

After listening to AOC this morning I sense the debate is shifting. A few days ago AOC and others were saying “we stand by President Biden and how dare you try to move away from him!” Now it’s become “If Biden quits then Kamala has to be the nominee and how dare you try to suggest anyone else!” 
 

I agree that (1) Biden should quit and (2) if he does any choice other than Kamala would create a war within the party that would make Trump’s victory more likely, not less. But I’m honestly not sure Kamala’s succession can be forced. If somebody else throws their hat in the ring there WILL be a contest, no way to stop that. 

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

I also think that Biden may be hanging on here based on a premise which is still viable, which is: despite the polling, despite the doubts about his age and deficiencies, despite the donors, the public has yet to be absolutely confronted with a binary choice between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. And that once they are, once it becomes absolutely clear to everyone finally that these are the two options, there is no alternative, then Biden will win because the public just doesn’t want a return of Donald Trump. 
 

This is a tremendous gamble and if it doesn’t work it will not only give us a President Trump, it will destroy Biden’s legacy and he will be remembered not for his accomplishments but for giving this election away (and for those of us who believe that Trump represents an existential threat to this country, for risking democracy for the sake of personal ambition.) And yet…he might be right. I would rather go with Kamala but he might be right. 

[RLLD 4,230]

10 hours ago, Voltaire said:

They all knew this and didn't care. They only started caring when Biden's mental issues went public.

……you mean, when polling suggested he could not win……

not about his ability, only about the white-knuckled grasp on power….

[Voltaire 5,316]

21 minutes ago, RLLD said:

……you mean, when polling suggested he could not win……

not about his ability, only about the white-knuckled grasp on power….

Democrats want to win elections. They didn't care if the guy they elect is competent or not, they knew all along that he wasn't. Look how they viscously they all attacked Robert Hur for telling the truth even though they all knew it was the truth.

Being a non-fuctional retard is not a disqualifying condition for governing among the Democratic elite. They all clapped enthusiastically for the retard. Not being able to win an election is why they want him gone; he no longer is useful to them.

[RLLD 4,230]

5 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Democrats want to win elections. They didn't care if the guy they elect is competent or not, they knew all along that he wasn't. Look how they viscously they all attacked Robert Hur for telling the truth even though they all knew it was the truth.

Being a non-fuctional retard is not a disqualifying condition for governing among the Democratic elite. They all clapped enthusiastically for the retard. Not being able to win an election is.

Agree completely. You example of Hur is emphatically important.

I do not think Biden has made ANY decisions, I suggest he has been incapable from the start….and has only ever implemented what he was told by his internal staff….who themselves only did what Obama told them

What we have witnessed these last four years is Obamas wet dream. He is able to implement his darkest and most sinister policies and hide behind his useful idiots 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,350]

Biden cured cancer. Don’t forget 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

10 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Biden cured cancer. Don’t forget 

But only the windshield frost oil kind.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

32 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Biden cured cancer. Don’t forget 

And he finally beat Medicare!

[League Champion 1,911]

 

 

[Beaker15 242]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I also think that Biden may be hanging on here based on a premise which is still viable, which is: despite the polling, despite the doubts about his age and deficiencies, despite the donors, the public has yet to be absolutely confronted with a binary choice between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. And that once they are, once it becomes absolutely clear to everyone finally that these are the two options, there is no alternative, then Biden will win because the public just doesn’t want a return of Donald Trump. 
 

This is a tremendous gamble and if it doesn’t work it will not only give us a President Trump, it will destroy Biden’s legacy and he will be remembered not for his accomplishments but for giving this election away (and for those of us who believe that Trump represents an existential threat to this country, for risking democracy for the sake of personal ambition.) And yet…he might be right. I would rather go with Kamala but he might be right. 

Go ahead and explain why you think Trump is a threat to democracy.  Be specific.  We have 4 years of him as President with no threat to democracy so this is the new "Russia hoax" catch phrase scare tactic coming from the left.

[squistion 2,202]

Here is an opinion from The Twitters which I think is spot on.

https://x.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1814016603568410899

Here's what I think is happening:

1. The media, with low ratings, saw blood in the water after the debate and ran with sensational and inaccurate headlines to generate profit. They have admitted this.

2. That, in turn, influenced big money dem donors who then threatened to pull their big money because the MEDIA was tanking some polls.

3. That, in turn, worried party leaders who need that big money to win because s***heads like Musk can donate $45M per month to trump thanks to Citizens United, and those dem leaders expressed their concern about losing that money.

4. That, in turn, caused the media - again with garbage ratings bleeding cash - to report that party leaders want Biden to step aside (not because they don't think he can do the job, but because other rich people were extorting them)

5. And that greed has led to the snowball effect we are seeing. It's all about money. Not democracy. The media and big donors are selling out democracy and the will of the voters over money.

Corporate media has failed us.

[supermike80 1,911]

1 minute ago, squistion said:

Here is an opinion from The Twitters which I think is spot on.

https://x.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1814016603568410899

Here's what I think is happening:

1. The media, with low ratings, saw blood in the water after the debate and ran with sensational and inaccurate headlines to generate profit. They have admitted this.

2. That, in turn, influenced big money dem donors who then threatened to pull their big money because the MEDIA was tanking some polls.

3. That, in turn, worried party leaders who need that big money to win because s***heads like Musk can donate $45M per month to trump thanks to Citizens United, and those dem leaders expressed their concern about losing that money.

4. That, in turn, caused the media - again with garbage ratings bleeding cash - to report that party leaders want Biden to step aside (not because they don't think he can do the job, but because other rich people were extorting them)

5. And that greed has led to the snowball effect we are seeing. It's all about money. Not democracy. The media and big donors are selling out democracy and the will of the voters over money.

Corporate media has failed us.

The day the left finally agrees the media is horrible will be a good thing for america. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

Here is an opinion from The Twitters which I think is spot on.

https://x.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1814016603568410899

Here's what I think is happening:

1. The media, with low ratings, saw blood in the water after the debate and ran with sensational and inaccurate headlines to generate profit. They have admitted this.

2. That, in turn, influenced big money dem donors who then threatened to pull their big money because the MEDIA was tanking some polls.

3. That, in turn, worried party leaders who need that big money to win because s***heads like Musk can donate $45M per month to trump thanks to Citizens United, and those dem leaders expressed their concern about losing that money.

4. That, in turn, caused the media - again with garbage ratings bleeding cash - to report that party leaders want Biden to step aside (not because they don't think he can do the job, but because other rich people were extorting them)

5. And that greed has led to the snowball effect we are seeing. It's all about money. Not democracy. The media and big donors are selling out democracy and the will of the voters over money.

Corporate media has failed us.

I don’t think so. Sure there’s some element of the media wanting ratings, but really it’s that people think Biden will lose and, quite frankly, should lose. There is absolute no question that he cannot make it to 86 as POTUS and really, time probably already ran out.

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

20 minutes ago, Beaker15 said:

Go ahead and explain why you think Trump is a threat to democracy.  Be specific.  We have 4 years of him as President with no threat to democracy so this is the new "Russia hoax" catch phrase scare tactic coming from the left.

First off let me refute your third sentence. During the 4 years that Donald Trump was President he was absolutely a threat to democracy, but was consistently prevented from achieving his aims by the guardrails in place, men like John Kelly, James Mattis, Mark Milley, and others. None of these people will be there this time around. It would take me too long to describe all the ways these men saved this nation from Donald Trump and what it would have been like if they hadn’t been around, but if you want details please read the book The Divider which describes everything in full. 
 

To answer your question more specifically : Donald Trump wants to emulate his hero Viktor Orban, who took over a democratic republic and has converted it to an autocracy. Orban has accomplished this feat by jailing his opponents, heavily restricting the freedom of the press, increasing the power of police and military and demanding that these forces serve him rather than the nation, controlling the judicial system, and severely limiting voting and elections. Donald Trump has publicly spoken out in favor of all of these moves and seeks to do them all himself. Whether or not he succeeds if elected again is an open question but we know now that he will not be prosecuted for making the effort. 
 

Is that specific enough for you? 

[Strike 5,547]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

First off let me refute your third sentence. During the 4 years that Donald Trump was President he was absolutely a threat to democracy, but was consistently prevented from achieving his aims by the guardrails in place, men like John Kelly, James Mattis, Mark Milley, and others. None of these people will be there this time around. It would take me too long to describe all the ways these men saved this nation from Donald Trump and what it would have been like if they hadn’t been around, but if you want details please read the book The Divider which describes everything in full. 
 

To answer your question more specifically : Donald Trump wants to emulate his hero Viktor Orban, who took over a democratic republic and has converted it to an autocracy. Orban has accomplished this feat by jailing his opponents, heavily restricting the freedom of the press, increasing the power of police and military and demanding that these forces serve him rather than the nation, controlling the judicial system, and severely limiting voting and elections. Donald Trump has publicly spoken out in favor of all of these moves and seeks to do them all himself. Whether or not he succeeds if elected again is an open question but we know now that he will not be prosecuted for making the effort. 
 

Is that specific enough for you? 

When he said specific I'm pretty sure he meant that you include evidence and not just throw out your whackjob lefty theories and talking points.

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

9 minutes ago, Strike said:

When he said specific I'm pretty sure he meant that you include evidence and not just throw out your whackjob lefty theories and talking points.

Not sure what evidence I can provide beyond the book I named and his public statements. You dismiss them anyhow because you wish to remain ignorant on this subject. 

[Beaker15 242]

18 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

First off let me refute your third sentence. During the 4 years that Donald Trump was President he was absolutely a threat to democracy, but was consistently prevented from achieving his aims by the guardrails in place, men like John Kelly, James Mattis, Mark Milley, and others. None of these people will be there this time around. It would take me too long to describe all the ways these men saved this nation from Donald Trump and what it would have been like if they hadn’t been around, but if you want details please read the book The Divider which describes everything in full. 
 

To answer your question more specifically : Donald Trump wants to emulate his hero Viktor Orban, who took over a democratic republic and has converted it to an autocracy. Orban has accomplished this feat by jailing his opponents, heavily restricting the freedom of the press, increasing the power of police and military and demanding that these forces serve him rather than the nation, controlling the judicial system, and severely limiting voting and elections. Donald Trump has publicly spoken out in favor of all of these moves and seeks to do them all himself. Whether or not he succeeds if elected again is an open question but we know now that he will not be prosecuted for making the effort. 
 

Is that specific enough for you? 

Please provide quotes directly from Trump that he wants to do any of that.

[supermike80 1,911]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

First off let me refute your third sentence. During the 4 years that Donald Trump was President he was absolutely a threat to democracy, but was consistently prevented from achieving his aims by the guardrails in place, men like John Kelly, James Mattis, Mark Milley, and others. None of these people will be there this time around. It would take me too long to describe all the ways these men saved this nation from Donald Trump and what it would have been like if they hadn’t been around, but if you want details please read the book The Divider which describes everything in full. 
 

To answer your question more specifically : Donald Trump wants to emulate his hero Viktor Orban, who took over a democratic republic and has converted it to an autocracy. Orban has accomplished this feat by jailing his opponents, heavily restricting the freedom of the press, increasing the power of police and military and demanding that these forces serve him rather than the nation, controlling the judicial system, and severely limiting voting and elections. Donald Trump has publicly spoken out in favor of all of these moves and seeks to do them all himself. Whether or not he succeeds if elected again is an open question but we know now that he will not be prosecuted for making the effort. 
 

Is that specific enough for you? 

Jesus fock.  Theres no chance "the divider" might be biased journalism?  Do a quick review of the authors. This is what i mean when i say you have no ability to discern bias in media and any reference you make to news, books or anything else should be taken with a planet sized grain of salt. 

Its simple minded people like this that are so easily influenced the media targets.

Disgusting 

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

Jesus fock.  Theres no chance "the divider" might be biased journalism?  Do a quick review of the authors. This is what i mean when i say you have no ability to discern bias in media and any reference you make to news, books or anything else should be taken with a planet sized grain of salt. 

Its simple minded people like this that are so easily influenced the media targets.

Disgusting 

If you had bothered to read the book you would know that it completely relies on interviews with people who worked in the Trump White House. 

[supermike80 1,911]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

If you had bothered to read the book you would know that it completely relies on interviews with people who worked in the Trump White House. 

Dude.  Seriously.  Look at the authors.  If you tell me they went into that book open minded youre a fool

[BrahmaBulls 764]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

If you had bothered to read the book you would know that it completely relies on interviews with people who worked in the Trump White House. 

You beg people to "debate" you all the time and then they ask you to explain yourself and the best you have is read a book.  You can't think for yourself.  You can't articulate anything.  All you have a repeating some nonsense from a left wing nutjob.  And you wonder why people engage you the way they do.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

Joe "Cement Galoshes" Biden is sinking fast and like most drowning men will drag others down with him if they get too close.  Senators, Congresspersons, and pundits don't want to get near him.

[supermike80 1,911]

3 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

You beg people to "debate" you all the time and then they ask you to explain yourself and the best you have is read a book.  You can't think for yourself.  You can't articulate anything.  All you have a repeating some nonsense from a left wing nutjob.  And you wonder why people engage you the way they do.

A possibly, likely 100% biased book which is taken as fact.   Man that aggravates me. 

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

14 minutes ago, Beaker15 said:

Please provide quotes directly from Trump that he wants to do any of that.

You know I started to do this but I realized that all you’ll do is question the sources, call them liars, try to parse the statements to mean something they don’t, etc. It’s a waste of time. If you’re truly interested this stuff is easily accessible all over the internet. 

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

8 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

You beg people to "debate" you all the time and then they ask you to explain yourself and the best you have is read a book.  You can't think for yourself.  You can't articulate anything.  All you have a repeating some nonsense from a left wing nutjob.  And you wonder why people engage you the way they do.

He’s not trying to debate me. He’s attacking the source without bothering to read it. Nothing will convince him- or you. That’s the problem when you guys no longer trust the MSM. There is no source of news that I can offer you that you will accept. 

Your last sentence is incorrect. I don’t wonder why people engage me the way they do. I know why they do it in most cases. In your case it’s because you’re an idiot. 

[BrahmaBulls 764]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

He’s not trying to debate me. He’s attacking the source without bothering to read it. Nothing will convince him- or you. That’s the problem when you guys no longer trust the MSM. There is no source of news that I can offer you that you will accept. 

Your last sentence is incorrect. I don’t wonder why people engage me the way they do. I know why they do it in most cases. In your case it’s because you’re an idiot. 

People don't trust the MSM because the MSM outright lies and makes up sh!t to push their agendas and make money.  This has been proven over and over.  

You want to do the insult game?  Let's talk about your fat, bald a$$ with the drunk driving wife that puts your kids and other people's kids lives in danger.  I guess idiot doesn't seem so bad.   

[Mike Honcho 5,281]

5 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

After listening to AOC this morning I sense the debate is shifting. A few days ago AOC and others were saying “we stand by President Biden and how dare you try to move away from him!” Now it’s become “If Biden quits then Kamala has to be the nominee and how dare you try to suggest anyone else!” 
 

I agree that (1) Biden should quit and (2) if he does any choice other than Kamala would create a war within the party that would make Trump’s victory more likely, not less. But I’m honestly not sure Kamala’s succession can be forced. If somebody else throws their hat in the ring there WILL be a contest, no way to stop that. 

Joe Biden, Kamala Harris or Someone Else? The Convention Rules Might Decide.

 

[Beaker15 242]

16 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You know I started to do this but I realized that all you’ll do is question the sources, call them liars, try to parse the statements to mean something they don’t, etc. It’s a waste of time. If you’re truly interested this stuff is easily accessible all over the internet. 

It really isn't though.  I have never seen Trump say what you are assuming he will do.  I would like the source to be Trump, not others who were fired by Trump and bitter.

[Mike Honcho 5,281]

1 hour ago, Beaker15 said:

Go ahead and explain why you think Trump is a threat to democracy.  Be specific.  We have 4 years of him as President with no threat to democracy so this is the new "Russia hoax" catch phrase scare tactic coming from the left.

Other than his refusal to the peaceful transfer of power, you know, democracy. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

A lot of it is in here: https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump_23_cr_257.pdf

Of course, there was 2016 and his other impeachment as well.

But I dunno. He’s probably gonna win so just gonna have to hope for the best I suppose 

[Voltaire 5,316]

3 hours ago, League Champion said:

 

 

Jennifer Rubin is usually an insufferable b*tch but her tears are the most delicious ambrosia available.

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

Victor Orban has a 57% approval rating and won the last time by 2/3s. Also, Hungary doesn’t have term limits. I’ll repeat this until I’m blue in the face but it’s hard enough to win an argument with an intelligent person. Winning an argument with a moron who watches Joy Reid on the regular is impossible. 

[Dizkneelande 1,101]

50 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Jennifer Rubin is usually an insufferable b*tch but her tears are the most delicious ambrosia available.

She’s frequently cited by the left as a voice of the right at the WaPo

[supermike80 1,911]

Its utterly amazing to me that someone reading a book called "the divider" and looking into the details of the authors doesnt at least question the bias 

I mean come on.

If bil O'Reilly wrote a book called "the unifier"  timmy would reject it immediately. 

Its unsettling how easily people are manipulated