Does anyone know any “two-spirit” people?

[TimHauck 2,877]

And how did they get moved to the front of 2SLGBTQIA+?

https://www.canada.ca/en/women-gender-equality/free-to-be-me/2slgbtqi-plus-glossary.html

Although apparently not all organizations want them in the front. I would agree that the more common ones should be first

https://www.lgbtqia2s.org/what-does-lgbtqia2s-stand-for

[jonmx 2,429]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

And how did they get moved to the front of 2SLGBTQIA+?

https://www.canada.ca/en/women-gender-equality/free-to-be-me/2slgbtqi-plus-glossary.html

Although apparently not all organizations want them in the front. I would agree that the more common ones should be first

https://www.lgbtqia2s.org/what-does-lgbtqia2s-stand-for

Exactly.  Put straight people first.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

And how did they get moved to the front of 2SLGBTQIA+?

https://www.canada.ca/en/women-gender-equality/free-to-be-me/2slgbtqi-plus-glossary.html

Although apparently not all organizations want them in the front. I would agree that the more common ones should be first

https://www.lgbtqia2s.org/what-does-lgbtqia2s-stand-for

Lol

[TheNewGirl 1,494]

Personally, I think 2 spirit is an appropriation of Native American beliefs and I don't think it should be included in the LGBTQ+ genres at all. 

[TimHauck 2,877]

1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said:

Personally, I think 2 spirit is an appropriation of Native American beliefs and I don't think it should be included in the LGBTQ+ genres at all. 

I was going to ask this as well.  It says it started from indigenous people but I wasn’t sure if non-indigenous people were allowed to be it also

[TheNewGirl 1,494]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I was going to ask this as well.  It says it started from indigenous people but I wasn’t sure if non-indigenous people were allowed to be it also

Since the LGBTQ+ crowd seems to think that they need to include all except straight/cis/hetero folk, I guess they are "allowed." 

 

[TimHauck 2,877]

Uh oh, it does seem there is a bit of infighting about this term:

 

[TimHauck 2,877]

 

[bostonlager 2,665]

 

[iam90sbaby 2,611]

OP is beta

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

48 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Personally, I think 2 spirit is an appropriation of Native American beliefs and I don't think it should be included in the LGBTQ+ genres at all. 

Injuns have a spirit animal, but not multiples of them

we call it schizophrenia

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

37 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

you follow some real phags there

[TimHauck 2,877]

6 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

you follow some real phags there

It’s called a search.

But I’d rather follow those people than “DC Draino”

[TheNewGirl 1,494]

7 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Injuns have a spirit animal, but not multiples of them

we call it schizophrenia

You need to read up on two spirit; some indigenous tribes/cultures do have a two spirit belief where the male/female spirit lives in one body and they do have a third gender name for it,  some have a fourth gender. It's not a schizophrenia in their culture and it's not spirit animal. 

It's not the LGBTQ+ stuff either. It's very interesting, and IMO it's got nothing to do with genitals or anything like that, procreation, being born in the wrong body and the stuff non -indigenous people have done to it. 

[TimHauck 2,877]

3 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

You need to read up on two spirit; some indigenous tribes/cultures do have a two spirit belief where the male/female spirit lives in one body and they do have a third gender name for it,  some have a fourth gender. It's not a schizophrenia in their culture and it's not spirit animal. 

It's not the LGBTQ+ stuff either. It's very interesting, and IMO it's got nothing to do with genitals or anything like that, procreation, being born in the wrong body and the stuff non -indigenous people have done to it. 

At first I thought there would’ve already been something encompassed in one of the other letters but after reading the definitions for the first time ever today I guess it’s not.   I would say non-binary seems similar however and doesn’t really have anything to do with genitals either, but where “2 spirit” is apparently identifying with both genders, I believe non-binary is usually more identifying with neither

[TheNewGirl 1,494]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

At first I thought there would’ve already been something encompassed in one of the other letters but after reading the definitions for the first time ever today I guess it’s not.   I would say non-binary seems similar however and doesn’t really have anything to do with genitals either, but where “2 spirit” is apparently identifying with both genders, I believe non-binary is usually more identifying with neither

Correct, non-binary usually means they don't identify as male/female because they don't "feel" like they fit either one. That's why they use the they/them pronouns, they don't want to be classified as he/she or whatever. Or they use the ones like xe/xi or whatever they make up on the fly.  

This is another reason why I am in the camp that more mental health needs to be addressed around this; the concept around non-binary in a literally binary biological system is an oxymoron. If you tell me that your gender has nothing to do with your genitals, but then proceed to remove them and change them to the only other choice (because there are only two choices - hence binary system) it makes NO sense. But. I digress. 

Anyways, I do not know any two spirit people personally, since I really don't know any indigenous people - I do know one, but she and I are no longer on speaking terms. But I find indigenous tribal cultures fascinating, so I'd love to know someone like this and learn more. I don't think they should be a part of the LGBTQ+ people, I agree with the Tweets above that it's appropriation. 

[iam90sbaby 2,611]

19 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

You need to read up on two spirit; some indigenous tribes/cultures do have a two spirit belief where the male/female spirit lives in one body and they do have a third gender name for it,  some have a fourth gender. It's not a schizophrenia in their culture and it's not spirit animal. 

It's not the LGBTQ+ stuff either. It's very interesting, and IMO it's got nothing to do with genitals or anything like that, procreation, being born in the wrong body and the stuff non -indigenous people have done to it. 

I wonder if they came up with that stupid fkn idea when they were tripping on ayahuasca

[kilroy69 1,251]

2 spirit is literally just something that was made up. There has never been 2 spirit in the indian world till 1990 when the Third Annual Inter-tribal Native American, First Nations, Gay and Lesbian American Conference just made that shitt up. 

[DonS 3,292]

I've wondered how these folks earned two characters in the alphabet soup.  Shouldn't the numeral "2" be enough to represent these folks?  Mighty uppity to command "2S" when the mentally ill are running out of letters.

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

39 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

It’s called a search.

But I’d rather follow those people than “DC Draino”

I dont follow anyone so there's that

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

37 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

You need to read up on two spirit; some indigenous tribes/cultures do have a two spirit belief where the male/female spirit lives in one body and they do have a third gender name for it,  some have a fourth gender. It's not a schizophrenia in their culture and it's not spirit animal. 

It's not the LGBTQ+ stuff either. It's very interesting, and IMO it's got nothing to do with genitals or anything like that, procreation, being born in the wrong body and the stuff non -indigenous people have done to it. 

well they are stupid too then

 

[TimHauck 2,877]

10 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I dont follow anyone so there's that

 

You follow him on instagram

[TimHauck 2,877]

14 minutes ago, DonS said:

I've wondered how these folks earned two characters in the alphabet soup.  Shouldn't the numeral "2" be enough to represent these folks?  Mighty uppity to command "2S" when the mentally ill are running out of letters.

 

Yes I wondered this as well

[Bert 1,128]

Damn weak mind morons

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

Gutterboy appears to be bi-polar. Does that count? 

[Fnord 2,275]

I am a 2 spirit person.

I like whiskey AND vodka.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,107]

11 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I am a 2 spirit person.

I like whiskey AND vodka.

Actually, everyone knows your two spirts are "c@ck" and "sucker", and Zima is your drink of choice.

[Fnord 2,275]

14 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Actually, everyone knows your two spirts are "c@ck" and "sucker", and Zima is your drink of choice.

Depending on your age, you're lying if you say you never drank a Zima. Those things were all the rage when I was under 21. You drank what you could get, and the girls always wanted Zima. I wanted the girls, so I procured and drank Zima. Stuff was foul, but like most other beverages, after the first couple it didn't matter much.

P.S. I'd rather be a coksucker than a MAGAMOOK.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,107]

1 minute ago, Fnord said:

Depending on your age, you're lying if you say you never drank a Zima. Those things were all the rage when I was under 21. You drank what you could get, and the girls always wanted Zima. I wanted the girls, so I procured and drank Zima. Stuff was foul, but like most other beverages, after the first couple it didn't matter much.

P.S. I'd rather be a coksucker than a MAGAMOOK.

Also another lie.  Everyone knows that you're not into girls and that girls are not into you, which you pretty much admit in your last sentence. 

Thanks for the confirmation! 

[TheNewGirl 1,494]

3 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Depending on your age, you're lying if you say you never drank a Zima. Those things were all the rage when I was under 21. You drank what you could get, and the girls always wanted Zima. I wanted the girls, so I procured and drank Zima. Stuff was foul, but like most other beverages, after the first couple it didn't matter much.

P.S. I'd rather be a coksucker than a MAGAMOOK.

Zima was the first thing I ever got drunk and really sick on. Never had it again after that. Terrible terrible night, oof. 

 

[Fnord 2,275]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Also another lie.  Everyone knows that you're not into girls and that girls are not into you, which you pretty much admit in your last sentence. 

Keep reaching, eternalstupidcuck. Your guy is a loser, a felon, and your way of lashing out is to call me a homosexual. Thats pretty pathetic, even from a guy that's pretty pathetic. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,107]

2 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Keep reaching, eternalstupidcuck. Your guy is a loser, a felon, and your way of lashing out is to call me a homosexual. Thats pretty pathetic, even from a guy that's pretty pathetic. 

Is that all you got? 

You got served and now you're so desperate for revenge that you're just flinging all kinds of sh#t at the wall, hoping something sticks.  Sorry pal, nothing is sticking. 

[Fnord 2,275]

Just now, TheNewGirl said:

Zima was the first thing I ever got drunk and really sick on. Never had it again after that. Terrible terrible night, oof. 

 

Fortunately I never got drunk just from Zima. Unfortunately, I was dumb enough to mix it with god knows what (probably Southern Comfort, vodka, or Windsor in that timeframe) and end up sick anyway.

[Fnord 2,275]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Is that all you got? 

You got served and now you're desperate for revenge that you're just flinging all kinds of sh#t at the wall, hoping something sticks.  Sorry pal, nothing is sticking. 

I got served? Served what? Idiocy? Buffoonery? Ignorance on a stick? WTF are you blathering about?

Desperate for revenge?

You grossly overestimate your words' impact on my life. You called me gay, you didn't rape my wife. Fuking revenge. Seriously.  

[Bert 1,128]

6 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Zima was the first thing I ever got drunk and really sick on. Never had it again after that. Terrible terrible night, oof. 

 

Malt liquor will mess you up!

[purdygood 352]

I dont know any L people but id be down to meet up with a few if they were hot

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,107]

Just now, Fnord said:

I got served? Served what? Idiocy? Buffoonery? Ignorance on a stick? WTF are you blathering about?

Desperate for revenge?

You grossly overestimate your words' impact on my life. You called me gay, you didn't rape my wife. Fuking revenge. Seriously.  

And yet here you are, furiously responding and NOW accusing me of wanting to rape your wife.  

Sorry, weirdo, I don't know what crazy sh#t you're into but go get one of your ghey bodybuilding forum buddies to do that perverted sh#t.