Murder rate plummets

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

Democrat Chicago Alderman: We have to ignore white progressives about crime. 

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1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Murders are down

Thanks.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

36 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

If call homicides being classified as something other than homicide, then yes. You can’t “cover up” a dead person, but you can certainly take liberties in its classification. 

What would a homicide be classified as other than homicide?

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10 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

What would a homicide be classified as other than homicide?

Undetermined for a final result, and “pending” is always a good choice to carry you through until another undetermined won’t raise eyebrows. 

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This is perfection

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3 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Undetermined for a final result, and “pending” is always a good choice to carry you through until another undetermined won’t raise eyebrows. 

I imagine cases sit as undetermined or pending for a long time before they have any actual evidence. 

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1 hour ago, TheNewGirl said:

I imagine cases sit as undetermined or pending for a long time before they have any actual evidence. 

Yes, and cases are prioritized, obviously.  A murder with no witnesses, no real community outcry, and no leads can sit for a long time. Lots of big cities get less than 50% of murders closed.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

10 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Yes, and cases are prioritized, obviously.  A murder with no witnesses, no real community outcry, and no leads can sit for a long time. Lots of big cities get less than 50% of murders closed.

Unsolved murders are still classified as homicides.

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5 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Democrat Chicago Alderman: We have to ignore white progressives about crime. 

Looking at you Gutterboy.  Stop yapping about things you have no clue about.  Thanks. 

[Fireballer 2,639]

28 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Unsolved murders are still classified as homicides.

Should they be?  Yes.  Are they?  Not always.

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8 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

What would a homicide be classified as other than homicide?

A couple years ago, it would have been called a coovid death.

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In case you forgot 

 

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27 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

A couple years ago, it would have been called a coovid death.

So true.

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33 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

 

 

This applies to every liberal in this country.

[Fireballer 2,639]

Why is it necessary for the US Surgeon General to label gun violence as a public health emergency if the murder rate is “plummeting”?  
“People want to be able to walk through their neighborhoods and be safe,”  he said. 

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17 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Why is it necessary for the US Surgeon General to label gun violence as a public health emergency if the murder rate is “plummeting”?  
“People want to be able to walk through their neighborhoods and be safe,”  he said. 

Right....violent crime is down.....so give us all your guns....

[Strike 5,186]

FBI stealth edits crime rates from 2022.  While this update doesn't cover the time frame this thread was started about, it pretty much shows you can't trust the FBI stats from any time frame during the Biden administration, just like all the other stats that are constantly revised for the worst:

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2024/10/16/stealth_edit_fbi_quietly_revises_violent_crime_stats_1065396.html

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1 hour ago, Strike said:

FBI stealth edits crime rates from 2022.  While this update doesn't cover the time frame this thread was started about, it pretty much shows you can't trust the FBI stats from any time frame during the Biden administration, just like all the other stats that are constantly revised for the worst:

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2024/10/16/stealth_edit_fbi_quietly_revises_violent_crime_stats_1065396.html

This may come as a shock, but this article and the right wing puppets talking about this on x are conveniently leaving out that apparently part of the reason for the % change increase in 2022 is that they also revised the 2021 number DOWN (edit: so you are wrong that they are constantly revised for the worst) 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

This may come as a shock, but this article and the right wing puppets talking about this on x are conveniently leaving out that apparently part of the reason for the % change increase is that they also revised the 2021 number DOWN.  

 

 

Wow Democrats really don't want the truth to be told.

Dem voters are so easily manipulated. It's really sad..

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46 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

This may come as a shock, but this article and the right wing puppets talking about this on x are conveniently leaving out that apparently part of the reason for the % change increase in 2022 is that they also revised the 2021 number DOWN (edit: so you are wrong that they are constantly revised for the worst) 

 

 

And Trump was right, the FBI falsified the numbers. Yet he was fact checked by some weasel.

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3 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

And Trump was right, the FBI falsified the numbers. Yet he was fact checked by some weasel.

I’m not sure what specific Trump comment you’re referring to.  If it was about 2023, if 2022 numbers were increased, then the decrease in 2023 would be even larger.

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Trump right once again and every democrat and media shill wrong.  Its a pattern. Also Tim Hackass. 

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2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

This may come as a shock, but this article and the right wing puppets talking about this on x are conveniently leaving out that apparently part of the reason for the % change increase in 2022 is that they also revised the 2021 number DOWN (edit: so you are wrong that they are constantly revised for the worst) 

 

 

Ever notice how the Geeks who are most distrustful of the MSM are also the easiest marks for Fake Newz?

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10 minutes ago, MDC said:

Ever notice how the Geeks who are most distrustful of the MSM are also the easiest marks for Fake Newz?

Nothing false here regardless of whatever Tweets hackboy posts.  Are you disputing the changed data from 2022?

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Oops. We forgot to report 1699 murders from 2022. 

But seriously, trust our numbers for the rest. 

Lol. 

 

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24 minutes ago, Strike said:

Nothing false here regardless of whatever Tweets hackboy posts.  Are you disputing the changed data from 2022?

The revised 2022 rate went up by 2% compared to the old 2022 rate, not exactly earth shattering 

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31 minutes ago, Strike said:

Nothing false here regardless of whatever Tweets hackboy posts.  Are you disputing the changed data from 2022?

It’s false that the numbers are “constantly revised for the worse.”   Will you admit you were wrong about that?

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Trump right once again and every democrat and media shill wrong.  Its a pattern. Also Tim Hackass. 

If it's a pattern, he won't see it.

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20 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

Oops. We forgot to report 1699 murders from 2022. 

But seriously, trust our numbers for the rest. 

Lol. 

 

Still waiting on your thread with the 2023 update to the crime victimization survey

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5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Still waiting on your thread with the 2023 update to the crime victimization survey

tim hack thinks crime is determined by surveys

 

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3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

tim hack thinks crime is determined by surveys

 

 @jonnyutah does, and the article @Strike linked implies it as well

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33 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

tim hack thinks crime is determined by surveys

 

It's strange how Democrats try to win so hard when they have such losing messages. 

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3 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

tim hack thinks crime is determined by surveys

 

@Timhauck isnt advocating for surveys. Shannon thinks this is an own, a gotcha. 

Crime data is messy, but of all the options the NCVS is by far the most reliable because it mostly takes out the biggest flaw in police and FBI tracking data. Silence. Prosecutors and judges are such menaces to society now that the number of people that dont report crimes has skyrocketed. I mean 30% of the people that get their car stolen just move on with their life now. 

 

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17 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

@Timhauck isnt advocating for surveys. Shannon thinks this is an own, a gotcha. 

Crime data is messy, but of all the options the NCVS is by far the most reliable because it mostly takes out the biggest flaw in police and FBI tracking data. Silence. Prosecutors and judges are such menaces to society now that the number of people that dont report crimes has skyrocketed. I mean 30% of the people that get their car stolen just move on with their life now. 

 

I assume you’re referring to @RaiderHaters Revenge as “Shannon” here? He’s the one doubting the survey, I’m just saying if he thinks he’s trying to make fun of me, he’s really trying to make fun of you.

Actually I have previously stated it has a decent methodology.

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3 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

 

Since you’re the second person to bring this up, I looked up the quote in question.  Trump said “crime is through the roof.”  This is largely irrelevant to the recent updates, which were to 2021 & 2022 (with 2022’s updates in particular being pretty minor), not 2023, so if anything there’s now a bigger decline in 2023 vs 2022.