Why is nothing being done to address public school attendance crash?

[Strike 5,361]

32 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

How many schools were closed for 2 years?  (Read: Did not reopen until March 2022)?

6,862

[GutterBoy 2,898]

3 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

Nothing I said in there is racist, champ.  It’s fact.  You’re the racist pos with the bigotry of low expectations.

How’s your ”Trump told everyone to inject bleach” argument progressing?  Still tilting that windmill dumbasss?

Yeah, in a thread of school attendance, you blame black crime, ghetto culture and lack of black fathers.  Then you call me racist for pointing it out. STFU.

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15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Here’s an article from yesterday with a few ideas:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/amid-nationwide-struggle-rebound-school-035900249.html
 

-add health clinics to schools so kids don’t have to miss full days for appointments

-expand extracurricular activities, field trips, hands-on activities and career-readiness programs

-reduce bullying so kids aren’t scared to go to school, but also have a virtual option

 

Here’s an idea…stop “expanding”. Public school should actually become more narrow in what they “are”, if you will.  Less government involvement would be an improvement. 

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2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Quickly scanning the OP, it's hard to tell how much of the decline is from truancy vs. kids being home educated or going to charter/private schools.

But I agree that if truancy is up, that is a problem that should be addressed.  I don't know exactly the answer, but society is not better off with underprivileged kids NOT going to school.

 @Strike and others have a good point that many of us said in 2020 that closing schools, and subsequently for so long, was a ginormous tragedy of a decision, with long-lasting, probably irretrievable consequences.  Unfortunately, we continue to be proven correct.

Putting on my conservative hat, I'll say that we've created a hedonistic society where people do whatever feels good, which for parents is taking the easy road of not pushing kids into school, and for kids is, of course, not going to school.  There are increasingly fewer ramifications for bad behavior, reference most pro-terrorist riots these days.  And the Left is more than happy to give out more and more entitlements, so why work to not get them?

Our society is morally broken, and no increase in truant officers is going to address that.

How do you feel about electing a morally corrupt leader for our morally broken society?

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4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Yeah, in a thread of school attendance, you blame black crime, ghetto culture and lack of black fathers.  Then you call me racist for pointing it out. STFU.

I’ve spent many days interacting with young black kids, in and out of schools, for almost 30 years.  We can argue whether these elements of black culture are self imposed or inflicted upon them, but what Phil said is true.  

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4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

How do you feel about electing a morally corrupt leader for our morally broken society?

Well we're stuck with him for another 6 months or so but fortunately then we get Trump.

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4 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

I’ve spent many days interacting with young black kids, in and out of schools, for almost 30 years.  We can argue whether these elements of black culture are self imposed or inflicted upon them, but what Phil said is true.  

So you agree that the drop in school attendance from 2019 to 2022 is because of black crime and ghetto culture?

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

Well we're stuck with him for another 6 months or so but fortunately then we get Trump.

You actually think Donald Trump is a moral man?

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1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

So you agree that the drop in school attendance from 2019 to 2022 is because of black crime and ghetto culture?

Sorry thread police.  The current state of public schools is a microcosm of a much longer trend.   

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8 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Sorry thread police.  The current state of public schools is a microcosm of a much longer trend.   

Oh right.  There was nothing else that happened in 2020 that might have affected schools. Must be the blacks.

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28 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Sorry thread police.  The current state of public schools is a microcosm of a much longer trend.   

Gutterboy is oblivious. He thinks what’s er happens in his microscopic piece of the world is the way it is everywhere. He thinks many people send their kids to private school because the local school is bad. Pay no mind. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

47 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Yeah, in a thread of school attendance, you blame black crime, ghetto culture and lack of black fathers.  Then you call me racist for pointing it out. STFU.

Uhh, I didn’t “blame” anything dumbasss.  Once again, you struggle with simple language.  What I clearly said was that the reason nobody is talking about the issue of school attendance (which is what the OP asked) is the same reason that nobody talks about the other issues I listed - because they make dumbasss Liberals like you look bad.  Good Lord - every day I have to break down the English language for you.  You really are dumb as a stump.

 

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Liberals need people to grow up stupid so they can maintain their voter base. 

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3 hours ago, mmmmm...beer said:

Absolutely not... my kids are AP students.  More jobs for them!

Good for them!  Thankfully you're in a school district that hasn't gotten rid of advanced classes due to lack of "equity". 

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9 minutes ago, DonS said:

Good for them!  Thankfully you're in a school district that hasn't gotten rid of advanced classes due to lack of "equity". 

Yeah... DOD schools in Japan.  Oldest is in the Space Force now, and the daughter is going into her sophomore yr of HS.  Skipped a grade in math back in middle school.  AP classes lined up to graduatuon.

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20 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Uhh, I didn’t “blame” anything dumbasss.  Once again, you struggle with simple language.  What I clearly said was that the reason nobody is talking about the issue of school attendance (which is what the OP asked) is the same reason that nobody talks about the other issues I listed - because they make dumbasss Liberals like you look bad.  Good Lord - every day I have to break down the English language for you.  You really are dumb as a stump.

 

The MSM has been talking about this a lot actually, so you’re wrong (again).  All articles below from this year, plus the one I posted a few posts above 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/03/29/us/chronic-absences.html
 

https://www.vox.com/2024/1/9/23904542/chronic-absenteeism-school-attendance
 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2024/06/11/chronic-absenteeism-us-schools-explained/73998788007/

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/school-districts-cracking-down-on-students-and-parents-as-absenteeism-surges-203970629613
 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2024/04/13/smr-absenteeism-pandemic-in-us-schools.cnn

 

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1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

You actually think Donald Trump is a moral man?

He's not perfect, but he's more moral than "The Big Guy". 

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19 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The MSM has been talking about this a lot actually, so you’re wrong (again).  All articles below from this year, plus the one I posted a few posts above 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/03/29/us/chronic-absences.html
 

https://www.vox.com/2024/1/9/23904542/chronic-absenteeism-school-attendance
 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2024/06/11/chronic-absenteeism-us-schools-explained/73998788007/

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/school-districts-cracking-down-on-students-and-parents-as-absenteeism-surges-203970629613
 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2024/04/13/smr-absenteeism-pandemic-in-us-schools.cnn

 

Sure. These are all major headlines in the news? You do a little google search and you can find anything you want on the internet. It doesn't mean these are making anyone's headlines. 

Why don't you get your head out of your ass and wake up. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

22 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The MSM has been talking about this a lot actually, so you’re wrong (again).  All articles below from this year, plus the one I posted a few posts above 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/03/29/us/chronic-absences.html
 

https://www.vox.com/2024/1/9/23904542/chronic-absenteeism-school-attendance
 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2024/06/11/chronic-absenteeism-us-schools-explained/73998788007/

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/school-districts-cracking-down-on-students-and-parents-as-absenteeism-surges-203970629613
 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2024/04/13/smr-absenteeism-pandemic-in-us-schools.cnn

 

Uh, no.  The media has NOT been “talking about this a lot lately.”  You and the other idiots Leftists in here are incapable of even a simple black-and-white analysis, never mind the nuance of a relative evaluation.  Producing 5 articles on the subject doesn’t correlate to “a lot”.  You’re a moron.

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6 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Uh, no.  The media has NOT been “talking about this a lot lately.”  You and the other idiots Leftists in here are incapable of even a simple black-and-white analysis, never mind the nuance of a relative evaluation.  Producing 5 articles on the subject doesn’t correlate to “a lot”.  You’re a moron.

becky pringle wants to do something about it. 

 

NEA President Becky Pringle banged on the podium, flailed her hands in the air and screamed about winning "all the things" repeatedly at the NEA's Annual Meeting and Representative Assembly (RA) in Philadelphia. X critics compared the moment to an iconic scene with Dwight Schrute from "The Office." 

During the screechy speech, Pringle called for transformative social justice change in the education system in the pursuit of equity. 

 

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35 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Uh, no.  The media has NOT been “talking about this a lot lately.”  You and the other idiots Leftists in here are incapable of even a simple black-and-white analysis, never mind the nuance of a relative evaluation.  Producing 5 articles on the subject doesn’t correlate to “a lot”.  You’re a moron.

That took about 30 seconds, do you want some more?  How about some news stories (all different than the last post)

 

 

 

Those were all national.  Local stories out there as well

 

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3 hours ago, Fireballer said:

First off, let me say that I completely agree with your premise of this thread.  Things need to change, but actually enforcing rules we have historically had would be a start. But that won’t happen.

Now here comes the “partisan” part. The problem with enforcing these rules is that it’s counter to the progressive shift in education. The idea of what public school should actually be, has shifted too far left.   Enforcement of rules, grading methods, parental involvement, and attendance are all seen as regressive and contradict things like restorative justice, LGBTQ initiatives, and critical race theory. Large scale societal changes must take place first before we see change in schools. These mentalities were here pre-Covid, but idiots like Randi Weingarten have gone full throttle on stupid.

Ok well I don’t get what your second paragraph has to do with anything. Kids should be going to school. You seem to agree with that. So if you’ve got issues with the curriculum or whatever that’s a different conversation

[Fireballer 2,641]

3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Ok well I don’t get what your second paragraph has to do with anything. Kids should be going to school. You seem to agree with that. So if you’ve got issues with the curriculum or whatever that’s a different conversation

It’s all related. You don’t think this is a Covid only phenomenon do you?

[Patented Phil 1,469]

19 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

That took about 30 seconds, do you want some more?  How about some news stories (all different than the last post)

 

 

 

Those were all national.  Local stories out there as well

 

If you think that relative to all the other things being talked about in the news that this topic is getting a lot of attention, I don’t know what to tell you.  It’s the first time I’ve heard about it in at least a year and I’m an above average consumer of the news.  But whatever.

Interesting that the ABC News piece asks a high school dropout directly why they did it.  Answer?  Covid.  “The school gave up on us.”  And who’s to blame for that?  I’ll tell you - the pos Liberal educators who shut down schools when there was minimal risk to children.  That’s the Left for you.  You fockers destroy everything you touch.

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Just now, Fireballer said:

It’s all related. You don’t think this is a Covid only phenomenon do you?

Yes I think it’s mostly a covid issue.

I mean we’re not talking about just MAGAts holding their kids out of school. It really doesn’t even seem to be political at all. It’s that for a year or two school was basically closed and a lot of the poor folk just got used to not going and apparently have to be made or encouraged or cajoled or whatever to come on back

[Fireballer 2,641]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

Yes I think it’s mostly a covid issue.

 

You’re never going to get an answer you believe then.  The state of public schools, including lack of attendance, has been brewing since well before Covid.  This is just the culmination.

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8 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Yes I think it’s mostly a covid issue.

I mean we’re not talking about just MAGAts holding their kids out of school. 

You are such a fool. 

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10 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Yes I think it’s mostly a covid issue.

I mean we’re not talking about just MAGAts holding their kids out of school. It really doesn’t even seem to be political at all. It’s that for a year or two school was basically closed and a lot of the poor folk just got used to not going and apparently have to be made or encouraged or cajoled or whatever to come on back

Who's responsibility do you think this is?  Look, as much as people like you like to think poor people are poor due to all the "disadvantages" they're born with by being poor or black or whatever, probably the most common thread among people who succeed in life is how involved their parents were in their childhood - the good habits and work ethic that were instilled in them.  If a poor person wants their children to not be poor, the best thing they can do is be a good parent.  If they believe their lot in life is already set, even though it doesn't have to be, there's no reason their children's has to be.  But that's unlikely to happen if they don't do their job as a parent.  And it's not society's responsibility to make sure THEIR kid shows up for focking school.  FFS.

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1 hour ago, Patented Phil said:

If you think that relative to all the other things being talked about in the news that this topic is getting a lot of attention, I don’t know what to tell you.  It’s the first time I’ve heard about it in at least a year and I’m an above average consumer of the news.  But whatever.

Interesting that the ABC News piece asks a high school dropout directly why they did it.  Answer?  Covid.  “The school gave up on us.”  And who’s to blame for that?  I’ll tell you - the pos Liberal educators who shut down schools when there was minimal risk to children.  That’s the Left for you.  You fockers destroy everything you touch.

Earlier, you said “it’s not being talked about” and it’s being “suppressed.”

Now, it’s just not being talked about as much “relative to all the other things being talked about in the news.”

Lol.  I guess this is as close as you’ll get to admitting you were wrong.

And yes, as @IGotWorms has been saying, the cause of the increase was likely Covid.  And yes @Strike, I did say at the time that schools should have been opened by fall 2021.   I wasn’t against them being closed the first year due to the risk to teachers and family members, but once the vaccine was available that risk became far lower.

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47 minutes ago, Strike said:

Who's responsibility do you think this is?  Look, as much as people like you like to think poor people are poor due to all the "disadvantages" they're born with by being poor or black or whatever, probably the most common thread among people who succeed in life is how involved their parents were in their childhood - the good habits and work ethic that were instilled in them.  If a poor person wants their children to not be poor, the best thing they can do is be a good parent.  If they believe their lot in life is already set, even though it doesn't have to be, there's no reason their children's has to be.  But that's unlikely to happen if they don't do their job as a parent.  And it's not society's responsibility to make sure THEIR kid shows up for focking school.  FFS.

What a strange post.

Strike:  people need to stop whining about poor people being disadvantaged!!

Also Strike:   Poor kids just need to have better parents

 

Dumbazz, having sh1tty parents IS the disadvantage.

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8 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

culture and lack of black fathers. 

That's not a real thing? Are you going to act like it's not? 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

7 hours ago, Strike said:

He's not perfect, but he's more moral than "The Big Guy". 

I get that you might like the guys policies or his image, but to suggest that Trump is a moral man is one of the dumbest things ever posted here.

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1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

but to suggest that Trump is a moral man is one of the dumbest things ever posted here.

You voted for a racist Pedophile. I'd shut up. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

6 hours ago, Strike said:

  And it's not society's responsibility to make sure THEIR kid shows up for focking school.  FFS.

Actually it is.

I don't know what kind of society you live in, or want to live in, but when parents can't or won't do their job, other people step in to help.  Grandparents, aunts, uncles, friends, teachers, etc.  In a successful and functioning society, people support each other.  Ever get involved in your community?  Participate in a meal train or a fundraiser or a car pool for focks sake?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,184]

9 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

becky pringle wants to do something about it. 

 

NEA President Becky Pringle banged on the podium, flailed her hands in the air and screamed about winning "all the things" repeatedly at the NEA's Annual Meeting and Representative Assembly (RA) in Philadelphia. X critics compared the moment to an iconic scene with Dwight Schrute from "The Office." 

During the screechy speech, Pringle called for transformative social justice change in the education system in the pursuit of equity. 

 

Imagine willingly allowing that to have a say in your child’s education? Or paying union dues to it? 

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I think the entire school thing is sometimes laughable.

I know there are specific schools in our area where the performance is better, but for the most part they all perform rather well.

I am acquainted with a handful of people and among them are those who sent their kids to the <ahem> "elite" school.....   which is perhaps the highest performing, and notably their home prices are reflective of this factor too.   But their kids mostly performed more poorly than mine, who attended a school that they absolutely looked down upon.

The factor is simple, people who had good parents in a good household simply did better.  If you had sh!tty parents, you did less well.  So these folks apparently did not entirely "get this" and assumed that by sending their kids to the ....."elite" school.....the success was automatic.....which of course, it was not, because the outcome of your kids is mostly YOU...... if you raise them properly.....they are more than likely going to do well....if you suck as a parent, they will do less well.

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Imagine willingly allowing that to have a say in your child’s education? Or paying union dues to it? 

The claim will be..”ignore the national teachers unions, they have no say about local issues”.  They were literally holding hands with the CDC when they decided to close schools and helped get the DOJ to threaten parents that spoke out at school board meetings.  Fuk them, and I say that as a AFL-CIO member for 30 years.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,184]

2 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

The claim will be..”ignore the national teachers unions, they have no say about local issues”.  They were literally holding hands with the CDC when they decided to close schools and helped get the DOJ to threaten parents that spoke out at school board meetings.  Fuk them, and I say that as a AFL-CIO member for 30 years.  

I forgot about that idiot Mooney saying the unions don’t have much sway. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

9 hours ago, Strike said:

Who's responsibility do you think this is?  Look, as much as people like you like to think poor people are poor due to all the "disadvantages" they're born with by being poor or black or whatever, probably the most common thread among people who succeed in life is how involved their parents were in their childhood - the good habits and work ethic that were instilled in them.  If a poor person wants their children to not be poor, the best thing they can do is be a good parent.  If they believe their lot in life is already set, even though it doesn't have to be, there's no reason their children's has to be.  But that's unlikely to happen if they don't do their job as a parent.  And it's not society's responsibility to make sure THEIR kid shows up for focking school.  FFS.

I agree with most of this except the last part.

And you seem like an assh0le. Who suffers because the parents are sh1tty? The kids. So yeah, it might make you feel all tough and smug to say fock the parents and move on, but it’s the kids who pay the price, and they don’t deserve that.

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also my kid got 0 homework the last 2 years. lazy ass teachers