Any Love for Love?

[wolves111 104]

His adp currently is lower than Murray, Dak,  Richardson and Burrow. 
Is this kid a bargain in round eight?

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

4 minutes ago, wolves111 said:

His adp currently is lower than Murray, Dak,  Richardson and Burrow. 
Is this kid a bargain in round eight?

Absolutely. The upside is ridiculous. 

I'm not taking him over Richardson but I would take Love over Burrow. 

[GobbleDog 982]

Without looking, I wouldn't have guessed Love finished with the 2nd most passing Tds (32) and 4th most Tds overall (36). I knew he had a good year, but not that good. Impressive.

It's hard debating Qb value because scoring systems are so different: 3 pt -vs- 6 pt passing Tds, yardage bonus's, completion pts (yes, that's a thing). Love doesn't run much and his 4 rushing Tds last year is rare for Qbs with 50 or fewer rushes, so that probably drops a bit. But the passing Tds?  Nothing would surprise - he's shown he's capable of 30+, but has only done it once and the Packers don't have the greatest Wrs or Te. 

Overall probably good value, but not on my radar.

[weepaws 3,154]

Would like to see him drop into the double digit rounds, won’t happen. 

[polecatt 474]

I think he's a solid QB1 this coming season.

I would say he's towards the back end of the top 10 QBs, with potential for more

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Good value. I’ve got him up there with Dak 

[Ray_T 740]

16 hours ago, wolves111 said:

His adp currently is lower than Murray, Dak,  Richardson and Burrow. 
Is this kid a bargain in round eight?

probably.   hes probably still discounted because his sample size of good play is yet small.   so the certainty isnt there like some of the top QB's.   but I personally think he represents very good value at that point in the draft

 

[DocNiner 67]

He seems to be a little under the radar. Guys will be looking at the big names at QB that people think they have to have. Yet Love presents tremendous value at where he's being taking. He should surely play better than his ADP. I'll let the other guys fight for the top ranked QBs.and grab Live a little later and load up on the other skill positions. I would not be surprised though, given his receiving corps, that he somehow finishes as a top 5 QB. His 2nd half of the season in 2023 he was real good.and I look for that trend to continue. Get him.while you can.

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

Rushing ability will always keep a QB fantasy relevant, especially one like Love. 

[weepaws 3,154]

Double digit round Qb he is not, but in the tenth if he’s available I’m taking.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

16 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Double digit round Qb he is not, but in the tenth if he’s available I’m taking.  

It depends on how the board falls for me but I'm definitely interested. I'm willing to be a little early if that's what it takes. The upside is insane. 

[polecatt 474]

12 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Good value. I’ve got him up there with Dak 

I would say that's accurate.

That's who first came to mind when I thought of Love's ranking in comparison.

That's overall, end of year rankings.

I think we all know about what Dak is gonna do. Which is about what we expect from Love.

Love, still a bit of an enigma, so a little more risk/reward.

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

On 7/9/2024 at 11:31 AM, Maximum Overkill said:

Rushing ability will always keep a QB fantasy relevant, especially one like Love. 

He had 2.8 points per game in rushing last season.  240 some yards.  4 TDs.  Just behind Bryce Young and Sam Howell.  

I'm much more interested in Love due to the fact that he had the 3rd highest RZ passing attempts in the league, which led to him throwing the 2nd most TDs in the league.  

I'm in rounds 8-10 but would rather grab Kyler before Love.  Dak and Brock are slightly ahead of Love as well for me.  

[IGotWorms 4,057]

6 minutes ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

He had 2.8 points per game in rushing last season.  240 some yards.  4 TDs.  Just behind Bryce Young and Sam Howell.  

I'm much more interested in Love due to the fact that he had the 3rd highest RZ passing attempts in the league, which led to him throwing the 2nd most TDs in the league.  

I'm in rounds 8-10 but would rather grab Kyler before Love.  Dak and Brock are slightly ahead of Love as well for me.  

Sounds like we’re close but I have Brock slightly behind.

[weepaws 3,154]

40 minutes ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

He had 2.8 points per game in rushing last season.  240 some yards.  4 TDs.  Just behind Bryce Young and Sam Howell.  

I'm much more interested in Love due to the fact that he had the 3rd highest RZ passing attempts in the league, which led to him throwing the 2nd most TDs in the league.  

I'm in rounds 8-10 but would rather grab Kyler before Love.  Dak and Brock are slightly ahead of Love as well for me.  

Yea I’m not sure why people keep talking about his running game.  His projections for this season is about the same 2-3 tds.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

34 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Yea I’m not sure why people keep talking about his running game.  His projections for this season is about the same 2-3 tds.  

Love had 50 carries and 4 TDs last season. 

Now that he's even more comfortable in the offense, I can easily see that almost doubling. 

Hurts was at 157 carries. Not a stretch at all. 

[weepaws 3,154]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Love had 50 carries and 4 TDs last season. 

Now that he's even more comfortable in the offense, I can easily see that almost doubling. 

Hurts was at 157 carries. Not a stretch at all. 

His projections that you pointed out to me disagree with you.  Same number of yards, 2-3 tds.  Makes since, Jacobs will be getting to others.  

Loves 14.5 yards per games was 19th best among qbs.  I’m not drafting based on his rushing skills, I’m agree with the other poster, more on his passing skills.  Jacobs will be a big help in that department imo.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

1 hour ago, weepaws said:

His projections that you pointed out to me disagree with you.  Same number of yards, 2-3 tds.  Makes since, Jacobs will be getting to others.  

Loves 14.5 yards per games was 19th best among qbs.  I’m not drafting based on his rushing skills, I’m agree with the other poster, more on his passing skills.  Jacobs will be a big help in that department imo.  

You do know that Jordan Love was QB5 in fantasy points last season? Even at only 14.5 yards per game. 

QB5, he's only going to get better. Especially when Jacobs is on IR by week 3. 

[weepaws 3,154]

5 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

You do know that Jordan Love was QB5 in fantasy points last season? Even at only 14.5 yards per game. 

QB5, he's only going to get better. Especially when Jacobs is on IR by week 3. 

I’m glad you finally caught up.  And his 14.5 rush yards per games wasn’t the reason. His passing game was.  Glad we agree.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

3 hours ago, weepaws said:

I’m glad you finally caught up.  And his 14.5 rush yards per games wasn’t the reason. His passing game was.  Glad we agree.  

He's already a top 5 QB with even more rushing upside is the point. You can't wait till the 10th round and risk getting stuck with a lesser QB. That's all I'm saying. 

[weepaws 3,154]

3 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

He's already a top 5 QB with even more rushing upside is the point. You can't wait till the 10th round and risk getting stuck with a lesser QB. That's all I'm saying. 

I don’t see that as your point , you even said look at his projection , which he’s projected to have the same amount of rushing yards, but less tds,  less tds make since. They have a top tier rb named Jacobs that can do that job.   

You don’t wait until the tenth rd and get stuck with a lesser Qb.  Looking at qbs point totals from last season, I see the names of at least four qbs that finished in the top ten in points at the Qb slot, Love, Purdy, Goff , finished ahead of Mahomes in ff points.  You draft a tenth rd Qb and ship until you land a winner, plus you have a better depth st rb/wr slots by doing so.  

 

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

16 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

You do know that Jordan Love was QB5 in fantasy points last season? Even at only 14.5 yards per game. 

QB5, he's only going to get better. Especially when Jacobs is on IR by week 3. 

Yes.  Because he threw 30+ Tuddies for 2nd most in the League.  

He will likely be a better NFL quarterback this season yes.  Will that translate into a higher fantasy finish than QB5  ??  Perhaps, but it won't be because he magically turns into Lamar or Jalen.  

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

3 hours ago, weepaws said:

I don’t see that as your point , you even said look at his projection , which he’s projected to have the same amount of rushing yards, but less tds,  less tds make since. They have a top tier rb named Jacobs that can do that job.   

You don’t wait until the tenth rd and get stuck with a lesser Qb.  Looking at qbs point totals from last season, I see the names of at least four qbs that finished in the top ten in points at the Qb slot, Love, Purdy, Goff , finished ahead of Mahomes in ff points.  You draft a tenth rd Qb and ship until you land a winner, plus you have a better depth st rb/wr slots by doing so.  

 

 

The same improvement reasoning for Love can be said for Brock, who basically finished tied with Love last season in ppg and total scoring.  As of now, my first option will be Kyler in 7th, Dak/Brock then Love after than in the 8/9 area.  Waiting till 10th round though you are looking at Goff, Tua, Herbert types.  I had Tua on a couple teams last year as my QB taken in DD rounds and he did me well.  This year I am leaning more towards Goff as my DD round qb target.  I'm not sold yet on Roman as OC for Herbert with the weapons, or lack of, that he has.  I know Harbaughs QB track record but idk yet, need to see how camp goes before possibly moving him up.  I could see myself doing a late round combo too, Goff/Herbert b2b rds 9-11.  Or a Goff pairing with Lawrence or Stafford type of deal. 

P.S.  Mahomes had his worst statistical fantasy season career last year.  We are all familiar with the reasons why so no need to rehash.  Surprisingly though, it was his first season without a rushing TD.  He's had at least 2 every starting season.  I'd expect that to come back to the mean this year.  I would never take him at his price in a non-superflex league, but dare I say, expect a major "bounce back" season from Patty.  Offense is going to open back up this year, much less dink & dunk stuff.  Offensive roster is much better, defense will still be good but harder schedule wise so more points needed for offense.  350 fantasy points minimum, top 2-3 in QB scoring.  

[weepaws 3,154]

Which ever Qb I pick, probably won’t be my week 2 starter, unless they have the best positive matchup. 

[Super Cubs 153]

On 7/8/2024 at 4:38 PM, Maximum Overkill said:

Absolutely. The upside is ridiculous. 

I'm not taking him over Richardson but I would take Love over Burrow. 

why Love over Burrow?

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

44 minutes ago, Super Cubs said:

why Love over Burrow?

He was QB5 last season, got better as the season went on and shown rushing upside. 

It's an easy call for me. Burrow needs to prove he can stay healthy before I'm back in. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

Last season, Love threw the ball 579 times... I think he throws over 600 with an outside shot at around 625.  Why?  Over the last 8 weeks of the season, when they finished 6-2, he was on a 593 attempt pace (for a season).  The prior 9, when they were 3-6, he was on pace for a 567 attempt season.  No only that, his rush attempt rate dropped between the first 9 and last 8, from a 59 attempt rate season to 40.  I think the trajectory will be for more passing and less running (for Love, overall), as they try to use a lot more 11 personnel (they were 18th last year), and less 12 personnel (they were 3rd last year). As a team, I don't believe they'll pass more and run less per se... I think they'll use more 3 WR sets, because of the talent at WR, and become a more well rounded and efficient offense.  I think both their running and passing plays will increase because I think they'll be a better team.  Last year, they ran a lot of plays, ranked 12th in the league.  I think this year they finish in the top 7. I think the Packers have a real shot at being a Top 5 scoring offense this year (they were 12th last year).

Assuming similar metrics to last year, I think you could expect slight improvement.  Personally, I think his metrics will be better.  He finished as a QB5 last year in my league, and I see that as his floor for this year.  I think top 3 is reasonable, reason being, I don't think Allen and Hurts will be that much further ahead of the group this year.  Based on last years' Top 5, I would take Love over Allen and Prescott this year, but not over Hurts or Jackson.

[listen2me 23 1,825]

He and the Packers had some real shaky weeks early while they were trying to get their footing with the youngest roster in the league.   2nd half of season he was arguably thr best QB.  And his weapons arent a bunch of rookies anymore.  

Does this mean he has a better fantasy season than last year?  No.  But when you look at their bad start last season, there is definitely room to improve on totals.  Doesn't mean the end result will be greater but the room for more is there.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

He and the Packers had some real shaky weeks early while they were trying to get their footing with the youngest roster in the league.   2nd half of season he was arguably thr best QB.  And his weapons arent a bunch of rookies anymore.  

Does this mean he has a better fantasy season than last year?  No.  But when you look at their bad start last season, there is definitely room to improve on totals.  Doesn't mean the end result will be greater but the room for more is there.  

It's all about volume.  Improving this year isn't as important as not regressing.  As long as there's no regression, the volume will increase.

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44 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

It's all about volume.  Improving this year isn't as important as not regressing.  As long as there's no regression, the volume will increase.

Im just saying.  There were some real clunkers that really hit his stats.   You chalk that up to 1st year starting and rookie weapons and perhaps those sub 50% completion weeks go to 65% with less picks.  No extra volume needed.  

Not saying good QBs are immune to bad games.  But he had a few that the offense was just a mess.  44 attempts 22 completions one game.  0 tds and 3 picks another.   That wasnt the same offense as they ended with.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

Im just saying.  There were some real clunkers that really hit his stats.   You chalk that up to 1st year starting and rookie weapons and perhaps those sub 50% completion weeks go to 65% with less picks.  No extra volume needed.  

Not saying good QBs are immune to bad games.  But he had a few that the offense was just a mess.  44 attempts 22 completions one game.  0 tds and 3 picks another.   That wasnt the same offense as they ended with.  

Sure, I chalk that up to natural progression.  I think that's what drives volume though.  Because they'll clean up the mistakes, the volume will increase because drives will last longer.  What I said early about not needing to improve or get better, I meant the metrics such as completion percentage, yards per attempt, that kind of thing.  If those numbers stay the same but they're more consistent, volume will increase organically which will increase the counting stats that we hope for in terms of passing yards and TD's.

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11 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Sure, I chalk that up to natural progression.  I think that's what drives volume though.  Because they'll clean up the mistakes, the volume will increase because drives will last longer.  What I said early about not needing to improve or get better, I meant the metrics such as completion percentage, yards per attempt, that kind of thing.  If those numbers stay the same but they're more consistent, volume will increase organically which will increase the counting stats that we hope for in terms of passing yards and TD's.

I understand your point. Volume breeds pts. My point is just if they are much more that 2nd half team than what they showed for that early handful of games then there is room for more points with same volume even.  First like 8 games he had 8 picks.  Last 9 he had 3.  

I agree with you.  We are making 2 different points.  

[GobbleDog 982]

Strange stat: Love had 4,159 passing yards - solid.

Yet only twice did a Packers Wr have 100+ receiving yards... and neither helped your fantasy team. Bo Melton Wk 17 and Jayden Reed Wk 18.

[Gepetto 1,288]

My keeper decision is between Jordan Love and Anthony Richardson. I like both and it's a start 2 QB league. I would definitely redraft A Richardson if I keep Love, hard to know how much he will cost in an Auction this year though. If I keep Richardson I'm ok drafting Love or another QB that can be a quality starter. A Richardson costs a bit more to keep 7% vs for Love 2% of total auction dollars. We are only allowed to keep one quarterback.

 

thoughts?

 

 

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

26 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

My keeper decision is between Jordan Love and Anthony Richardson

Richardson all day everyday. 

I like Love as well but Richardson has the insane rushing upside 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 hour ago, Gepetto said:

My keeper decision is between Jordan Love and Anthony Richardson. I like both and it's a start 2 QB league. I would definitely redraft A Richardson if I keep Love, hard to know how much he will cost in an Auction this year though. If I keep Richardson I'm ok drafting Love or another QB that can be a quality starter. A Richardson costs a bit more to keep 7% vs for Love 2% of total auction dollars. We are only allowed to keep one quarterback.

 

thoughts?

 

 

 

That’s a tough one and you could go either way.

My guess is somebody will pay big bucks for Anthony Richardson. If he actually manages to stay healthy then he could put up QB1 stats, potentially. You just don’t have the ceiling with Love.

So personally I’d probably go with ARich on the theory that you can get Love or a similar QB for cheaper, but you certainly have to be comfortable with the risk.

[weepaws 3,154]

I would keep Love over Richardson. 

[Gepetto 1,288]

3 hours ago, weepaws said:

I would keep Love over Richardson. 

Because of the auction price difference and/or because of Richardson's propensity to get injured? 

Or do you simply think Love has better stats?

Love, once he got his passing game together barely ran at all in the last part of the season so he's going to get almost no stats rushing this year, in my opinion. 

[weepaws 3,154]

1.  Price difference 

2. Love did exactly what a Qb should do when his passing game grows, not run so much.  

3.  Richardson passing stats were horrible, so he’s going to run a lot more, great for ff, but bad for injuries   

 

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

4 hours ago, weepaws said:

1.  Price difference 

2. Love did exactly what a Qb should do when his passing game grows, not run so much.  

3.  Richardson passing stats were horrible, so he’s going to run a lot more, great for ff, but bad for injuries   

 

 

Richardson really only played 2 games, all without Jonathan Taylor. Love is awesome and safer but if I want to win a league, I'm drafting Richardson all day. His rushing alone will keep him top 5 every week. 

Yes, the injuries are a concern but that doesn't factor into my projections, it may of been flukey. I would draft Richardson and back him up with something safe like Lawrence, Goff or Carr even. Especially in a 10 team non-Superflex league.