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[TimHauck 2,820]

2 hours ago, NEWPOSTERGUY! said:

Folks keep mentioning dfs, but I believe the best ball format, especially on Underdog, is much more to blame for the decline in season-long "home league" type communities. 

The bestball drafts start up some time in early May, probably a couple of weeks after the NFL draft ... folk can draft their asses off, use varying lineup contructs, etc

Set it, forget it - check in weekly to see where you stand in the big prize grab. 

It's not my preferred method of pursuing this hobby, but I gotta tell ya, having 30 or so bestball squads ready to do battle come September ain't too shabby. 

And it's a hell of a ride. 

I still manage 3 season long teams in my longstanding money leagues, but I welcome the diversification of bestball and pick 'em. 

 

Wtf is the point of a best ball league?  Figuring out who to start is one of the biggest factors in winning a FF league

[The PosterFormerlyKnownAs 78]

1) the rise of FF advice available on TV, YouTube, other sites make the mange board just another place to get perspective - and often not very good perspective.  Articles and rankings much more valuable 

2) Geek Club horribly addictive.  A chance to hang and be in the room where different backgrounds, social circles, contexts join together in increasingly vitriolic volleys of humor, human observations, and hatred.  Back in the day, things where I learned breaking news before it broke; saw salacious smut; learned emerging memes; and occasionally became informed by a different perspective or esoteric fact.  I keep coming back assuming I will get that hit … sadly, the proliferation of aliases and petty Board battles dilute and camouflage what I value most about the Geek Club.  But it’s still here … and so am I.

 

 

 

[MLCKAA 570]

10 hours ago, IndyColtsFan said:

I'm Facebook friends with her. She's doing great. 

She talked about researching and writing a book about haunted homes in Indianapolis.  Do you know if she ever did that?

[IndyColtsFan 325]

1 hour ago, MLCKAA said:

She talked about researching and writing a book about haunted homes in Indianapolis.  Do you know if she ever did that?

I sent her a message asking if she ever had.

[NEWPOSTERGUY! 288]

13 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Wtf is the point of a best ball league?  Figuring out who to start is one of the biggest factors in winning a FF league

My point was that a great deal of the newfangled players exposed to this hobby are opting for that format, far more than delving into season long/home leagues. 

I said in my post that i prefer the season long, but, gotta say, drafting those bb teams anytime one feels like it, with a chance at big bucks, is none too shabby. 

 

[Bier Meister 1,709]

13 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Wtf is the point of a best ball league?  Figuring out who to start is one of the biggest factors in winning a FF league

i think that there are 2 major factors:

1. ease: draft and forget

2. Injury: best ball negates the disadvantage of a player going down 4 plays into a game or season.

[TimHauck 2,820]

6 hours ago, NEWPOSTERGUY! said:

My point was that a great deal of the newfangled players exposed to this hobby are opting for that format, far more than delving into season long/home leagues. 

I said in my post that i prefer the season long, but, gotta say, drafting those bb teams anytime one feels like it, with a chance at big bucks, is none too shabby. 

 

Yeah I’m not doubting what you’re saying, just think best ball leagues are dumb

[NEWPOSTERGUY! 288]

37 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yeah I’m not doubting what you’re saying, just think best ball leagues are dumb

Fair enough

Been drafting since May, and I kinda dig getting swept up in this ... meanwhile, my home leagues can't even settle on a draft date/time/method. 

To each their own, but I can easily see why bb is gaining such momentum 

 

[BrahmaBulls 756]

5 minutes ago, NEWPOSTERGUY! said:

Fair enough

Been drafting since May, and I kinda dig getting swept up in this ... meanwhile, my home leagues can't even settle on a draft date/time/method. 

To each their own, but I can easily see why bb is gaining such momentum 

 

You're playing against professional gamblers with tons of data and research.  And 98% of the drafts just follow ADP at this point (so do a lot of home leagues too).

[NEWPOSTERGUY! 288]

2 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

You're playing against professional gamblers with tons of data and research.  And 98% of the drafts just follow ADP at this point (so do a lot of home leagues too).

I'm quite aware of the terrain, and have armed myself thusly ... I took home cash in 3 out of the 10 I entered last season - and, as far as following adp ... those who know how to gauge, and subsequently game, the schedule are most successful - this bucks the trite and rote season long adp trends quite a bit. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,370]

21 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Wtf is the point of a best ball league?  Figuring out who to start is one of the biggest factors in winning a FF league

You mean guessing who to start? 

[GobbleDog 995]

On 7/15/2024 at 1:30 PM, cmh6476 said:

yeah the politics on this site blows.  That's what I deduced from your post.

Spent 20+ years on this forum and I miss it.  But look at the front page topics...  unbearable. Mike should create a "Politics" forum so these idiots can annoy each other to death.

Til he does, see yall on the mange forum.

[squistion 2,180]

36 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Spent 20+ years on this forum and I miss it.  But look at the front page topics...  unbearable. Mike should create a "Politics" forum so these idiots can annoy each other to death.

Til he does, see yall on the mange forum.

Mike should purge, ban the posters who keep ruining every thread on this forum. That is the easy fix or solution, but Joe B. wouldn't do it and maybe MIke won't either. 

[BrahmaBulls 756]

28 minutes ago, squistion said:

Mike should purge, ban the posters who keep ruining every thread on this forum. That is the easy fix or solution, but Joe B. wouldn't do it and maybe MIke won't either. 

You could just check yourself out and save him the trouble.  

[WhiteWonder 2,732]

23 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You mean guessing who to start? 

I hate to agree with timhack but he’s spot on. Deciding who to start based on matchups or if you have a few guys all playing well or playing poorly has long been a staple of separating yourself when it comes to FF. 
 

best ball is lazy. As are flex flex flex leagues. No one wants to have to make decisions anymore. Just draft and check in and see how you did each week. 
 

I hate to liken it to politics but it’s like the pvssy liberal version of FF. 

[weepaws 3,179]

I must agree with Tuesday morning ff Guru

[Hardcore troubadour 15,370]

10 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

I hate to agree with timhack but he’s spot on. Deciding who to start based on matchups or if you have a few guys all playing well or playing poorly has long been a staple of separating yourself when it comes to FF. 
 

best ball is lazy. As are flex flex flex leagues. No one wants to have to make decisions anymore. Just draft and check in and see how you did each week. 
 

I hate to liken it to politics but it’s like the pvssy liberal version of FF. 

Im not saying there is no managing a team, but start/sit  decisions? That’s mostly a guess. I know because I and everyone else get it wrong about half the time. So do you and all the “experts” that get paid to comment on this stuff. 

[TimHauck 2,820]

11 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

I hate to agree with timhack but he’s spot on. Deciding who to start based on matchups or if you have a few guys all playing well or playing poorly has long been a staple of separating yourself when it comes to FF. 
 

best ball is lazy. As are flex flex flex leagues. No one wants to have to make decisions anymore. Just draft and check in and see how you did each week. 
 

I hate to liken it to politics but it’s like the pvssy liberal version of FF. 

Me and you agree more than you think

[Maximum Overkill 1,980]

On 7/15/2024 at 1:00 PM, Kopy said:

We used to be a fantasy football board. 

I don't see you in the Fantasy chat. In fact there's only a handful of us in there talking Football. 

[TimHauck 2,820]

Start/sit decisions are a lot of luck, but in leagues where you actually know the people you’re playing with it’s fun to make fun of them when they leave a guy on their bench that scores 30 points

[Bier Meister 1,709]

13 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

I hate to agree with timhack but he’s spot on. Deciding who to start based on matchups or if you have a few guys all playing well or playing poorly has long been a staple of separating yourself when it comes to FF. 
 

best ball is lazy. As are flex flex flex leagues. No one wants to have to make decisions anymore. Just draft and check in and see how you did each week. 
 

I hate to liken it to politics but it’s like the pvssy liberal version of FF. 

I don't play best ball.

 

I like making the weekly starter decisions. if i could shape it, it would be more of a hybrid of select your starters, then prioritizing backups if someone gets injured.  I am not totally in favor of just having best scorers recorded for the week, as there are many one-off performances by players who go against probability. 

[WhiteWonder 2,732]

4 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Im not saying there is no managing a team, but start/sit  decisions? That’s mostly a guess. I know because I and everyone else get it wrong about half the time. So do you and all the “experts” that get paid to comment on this stuff. 

there's a lot of guessing, i'd call it educated guessing, in FF. From the draft onward. Luck plays a big part in fantasy more than a lot of people care to admit.  But I do still think being someone who follows football more than other league members should reward those owners in some way and that's where I think it comes into play.   

best ball leagues allow people who want to play FF but maybe don't even watch much football on Sundays to draft a team based on a websites rankings and have a really good shot at winning. Very few decisions to make after the draft.

 

[weepaws 3,179]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

there's a lot of guessing, i'd call it educated guessing, in FF. From the draft onward. Luck plays a big part in fantasy more than a lot of people care to admit.  But I do still think being someone who follows football more than other league members should reward those owners in some way and that's where I think it comes into play.   

best ball leagues allow people who want to play FF but maybe don't even watch much football on Sundays to draft a team based on a websites rankings and have a really good shot at winning. Very few decisions to make after the draft.

 

Good news, Mr Tuesday morning FF Guru Will point out ones mistakes in the little help board.  He’s good at it, just ask him. 

[listen2me 23 1,871]

FF hasn't died at all.  Its bigger than ever.  Maybe peaking though.  But I myself have lost interest.   Its a lot of busy work and BSing between if Josh Jacobs will score 12 more fantasy points on the year than some other back.  As we have gotten older I think it has become meh.  And also as mentioned, betting and DFS.  I still have 2 leagues for shlts and dont want to leave the commish hanging.  I still like fantasy football but I dont want to spend nearly as much time on it.  I used to run a neighborhood 4 man league when I was 9 years old.  Used to have two 14 man IDP leagues.  1 redraft and 1 dynasty.  

I will talk real football with anyone here.  I enjoy that banter.  

Also as mentioned when I used to frequent the mange it had regulars.  I dont know any of the people who post regularly anymore.  Probably because I rarely frequent. But no one seems too interesting over there.  I used to enjoy the slapfights with Walter DrJ Swamp Puppy and donhass.  

[listen2me 23 1,871]

On 7/15/2024 at 11:55 PM, TimHauck said:

Wtf is the point of a best ball league?  Figuring out who to start is one of the biggest factors in winning a FF league

I agree with both points.  Those leagues are popular.  I myself dont find them interesting.  I have a couple friends who will rattle off tons of those.  All to do nothing with them for 6 months.   Sounds really boring.  

[weepaws 3,179]

9 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

FF hasn't died at all.  Its bigger than ever.  Maybe peaking though.  But I myself have lost interest.   Its a lot of busy work and BSing between if Josh Jacobs will score 12 more fantasy points on the year than some other back.  As we have gotten older I think it has become meh.  And also as mentioned, betting and DFS.  I still have 2 leagues for shlts and dont want to leave the commish hanging.  I still like fantasy football but I dont want to spend nearly as much time on it.  I used to run a neighborhood 4 man league when I was 9 years old.  Used to have two 14 man IDP leagues.  1 redraft and 1 dynasty.  

I will talk real football with anyone here.  I enjoy that banter.  

Also as mentioned when I used to frequent the mange it had regulars.  I dont know any of the people who post regularly anymore.  Probably because I rarely frequent. But no one seems too interesting over there.  I used to enjoy the slapfights with Walter DrJ Swamp Puppy and donhass.  

Probably not less people participating in ff leagues, but knowledge of building a good team has declined.  Free leagues.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,370]

I have stuck my head in over at the mange board from time to time but it seems like that J off Weepaws is in every thread saying nothing interesting and preaching.  

[weepaws 3,179]

23 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I have stuck my head in over at the mange board from time to time but it seems like that J off Weepaws is in every thread saying nothing interesting and preaching.  

That board is reserved for those that play in ff leagues, you need not apply.  

[WhiteWonder 2,732]

4 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

FF hasn't died at all.  Its bigger than ever.  Maybe peaking though.  But I myself have lost interest.   Its a lot of busy work and BSing between if Josh Jacobs will score 12 more fantasy points on the year than some other back.  As we have gotten older I think it has become meh.  And also as mentioned, betting and DFS.  I still have 2 leagues for shlts and dont want to leave the commish hanging.  I still like fantasy football but I dont want to spend nearly as much time on it.  I used to run a neighborhood 4 man league when I was 9 years old.  Used to have two 14 man IDP leagues.  1 redraft and 1 dynasty.  

I will talk real football with anyone here.  I enjoy that banter.  

Also as mentioned when I used to frequent the mange it had regulars.  I dont know any of the people who post regularly anymore.  Probably because I rarely frequent. But no one seems too interesting over there.  I used to enjoy the slapfights with Walter DrJ Swamp Puppy and donhass.  

I think we already saw FF's peak.  For a number of reasons, but I think it already happened.  It's still plenty popular though. 

I don't get as amped up about it as I used to and I was also a nut job running 10-12 team leagues in middle school... for $... and getting in trouble for that 

the IBL is a great example. When I was invited to join team FFT, I was excited. There were more boards involved, lots of trash talk, kind of felt some pressure to represent this site. It was that way for years but the past 3-4 seasons, you can see the lack of interest. At one point down to 6 forums participating and one year even grasping to find a 6th. Old mainstay forums gone, new influx of Axelf style characters and even the participation and teamwork among FFT members has waned. 

I'm still in several leagues, but that's less than before... and i derive no enjoyment from DFS lineups and best ball leagues. I'll do a weekly lineup in a GPP for shiits and giggles but thats about it.

[TimHauck 2,820]

2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I think we already saw FF's peak.  For a number of reasons, but I think it already happened.  It's still plenty popular though. 

I don't get as amped up about it as I used to and I was also a nut job running 10-12 team leagues in middle school... for $... and getting in trouble for that 

the IBL is a great example. When I was invited to join team FFT, I was excited. There were more boards involved, lots of trash talk, kind of felt some pressure to represent this site. It was that way for years but the past 3-4 seasons, you can see the lack of interest. At one point down to 6 forums participating and one year even grasping to find a 6th. Old mainstay forums gone, new influx of Axelf style characters and even the participation and teamwork among FFT members has waned. 

I'm still in several leagues, but that's less than before... and i derive no enjoyment from DFS lineups and best ball leagues. I'll do a weekly lineup in a GPP for shiits and giggles but thats about it.

The playoff thing you do here is one of my favorite FF formats TBH

[WhiteWonder 2,732]

59 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The playoff thing you do here is one of my favorite FF formats TBH

It’s a fun little game that @ZeroTolerance started… or at least ran for a long time. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,370]

My favorite part of fantasy is the draft and I’m lucky my two long standing leagues are still live. 

[Kopy 568]

12 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I don't see you in the Fantasy chat. In fact there's only a handful of us in there talking Football. 

Oh I definitely admit I bailed. Just not the same. That's what got me thinking about the topic.

 

[weepaws 3,179]

12 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

My favorite part of fantasy is the draft and I’m lucky my two long standing leagues are still live. 

That’s the beginning and end for a best ball league.  

[WhiteWonder 2,732]

The draft is always my favorite part of FF leagues, I just also enjoy navigating weekly lineup decisions, managing my roster, potentially trading although most people are too afraid of possibly losing a trade ever. 

I've seen so many Dynasty leagues fold because a lot of people just love the startup draft and get bored easily when all they have is a rookie draft in subsequent years. There was a group of guys here at FFT that used to frequent the main bored, after the originals but before the current group, that loved dynasty but they were constantly pitching new dynasty startups. 

There are aspects of FF that I don't care for because I think they take away from strategy...  best ball, "superflex", having lots of flex spots, huge benches

 

[Flipper 61]

On 7/16/2024 at 7:58 PM, TimHauck said:

Yeah I’m not doubting what you’re saying, just think best ball leagues are dumb

It aligns well with the shortened attention span of today's youth ...

[weepaws 3,179]

2 hours ago, Flipper said:

It aligns well with the shortened attention span of today's youth ...

And adults.  

[ZeroTolerance 584]

On 7/18/2024 at 8:39 PM, WhiteWonder said:

It’s a fun little game that @ZeroTolerance started… or at least ran for a long time. 

It goes back farther than me, I just took it over from someone else around 2006 (think the previous man in charge was pre-Latin Pimp).