World Economy and Climate Collapse - Biden Regime’s Final Failure

[supermike80 1,887]

21 minutes ago, purdygood said:

He will TALK A LOT about those things, but he wont get them done. Meanwhile he will be grifting the American public for his own personal gain.

So we can say the same about Timmy's belief he's going to levy 60% imports on Chinese goods too?  Ok.. Gotcha

[supermike80 1,887]

21 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I worry about how he handles our environment.  There needs to be restrictions on how major corporations treat our land.

The rest sounds good.

There already are restrictions on how corporations treat our land.  The EPA is one of them

[Hawkeye21 2,393]

1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

There already are restrictions on how corporations treat our land.  The EPA is one of them

I worry about him rolling back on restrictions though.  I've always felt he cares more about money and corporations than he does our land.

[supermike80 1,887]

7 minutes ago, purdygood said:

You agree that inflation is bad right now? and if borrowing rates go down, people will borrow more money (because they are stupid) that they don't have (and owe back at some point) and they will spend more and more and more and then there is no incentive for prices to go down? like ever. It's a death spiral for the economy.  Unless we keep bringing in more and more people to be consumers.

Jeez this is dumb. You understand that it isn't just individuals that borrow money right?  Corporations do too.  A lot of it.  Better interest rates means less cost for capital investments, new business start ups..etc etc....Companies pumping money into the economy is a very very good thing.

[purdygood 343]

Just now, JuneJuly said:

No.  

They raise rates to slow down the economy, which it has, look at the past 3 job numbers reports.  You do not want more customers (spending) right now.  Then you need to cut rates to slowly bring down inflation.  Holy cow man, you really need to go to night classes or something.  

Let me know which college you teach at, so I can avoid it.

[supermike80 1,887]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I worry about him rolling back on restrictions though.  I've always felt he cares more about money and corporations than he does our land.

Legit fear.  And I don't have an answer about his motivations there.  I do believe he is pro business and will work to push that.   So I can't say.   But there needs to be a  balance there.  I feel the left has pushed environmental issues too far, to the detriment of business growth and development.   

[Hawkeye21 2,393]

Just now, supermike80 said:

Legit fear.  And I don't have an answer about his motivations there.  I do believe he is pro business and will work to push that.   So I can't say.   But there needs to be a  balance there.  I feel the left has pushed environmental issues too far, to the detriment of business growth and development.   

I'm not in support of the extremes the left goes to.  I will not be voting for any of them.

[The Real timschochet 6,633]

You’ve got one candidate who, admittedly, is in favor of regulations and taxation on corporations designed to help fight climate change. These regulations and taxation do not help the economy short term. 

You have the other candidate who wants to remove many of these regulations and taxation, but who also wants to impose a 10% consumer tax on all imports and a 60% tax on one of our main trading partners. 
 

You need to choose between them. My position is that the tariffs proposed by Donald Trump would be far more catastrophic to our economic well-being than any of the policies currently in place from the Democrats or even any of the policies they are proposing for the future. 

[JuneJuly 193]

1 minute ago, purdygood said:

Let me know which college you teach at, so I can avoid it.

Has the head in the sand approach worked out well for you so far?

[supermike80 1,887]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’ve got one candidate who, admittedly, is in favor of regulations and taxation on corporations designed to help fight climate change. These regulations and taxation do not help the economy short term. 

You have the other candidate who wants to remove many of these regulations and taxation, but who also wants to impose a 10% consumer tax on all imports and a 60% tax on one of our main trading partners. 
 

You need to choose between them. My position is that the tariffs proposed by Donald Trump would be far more catastrophic to our economic well-being than any of the policies currently in place from the Democrats or even any of the policies they are proposing for the future. 

Seems Biden and the dems are doing something similar.   But hey, they are better cause they are dems right?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/05/14/fact-sheet-president-biden-takes-action-to-protect-american-workers-and-businesses-from-chinas-unfair-trade-practices/

[Engorgeous George 2,283]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well let’s hope not. 

Pretty bouncy for a dead cat, at least at this hour.

[The Real timschochet 6,633]

1 hour ago, supermike80 said:

Seems Biden and the dems are doing something similar.   But hey, they are better cause they are dems right?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/05/14/fact-sheet-president-biden-takes-action-to-protect-american-workers-and-businesses-from-chinas-unfair-trade-practices/

No. They’re not. 
 

They’re better to the extent that Trump would make it far worse. But make no mistake Biden’s actions on this have been horrible. 
 

My hope is that, with Kamala being from the Bay Area she understands a little more about the Pacific Rim than Biden does and will loosen these trade restrictions once in office. But I have no idea. 

[Baker Boy 1,694]

2 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

Squistion, he's right you know, the scientific community has always been known much more for their fraudulent actions than the businesses fighting to protect their interests.  Look at all the lies that were spread about tobacco for years by doctors and scientists. 

You keep quoting scientist, but you’re never specific. There are dozens of different types of scientist. Engineers are considered scientist. Just because you are a scientist it does not mean you understand climatology. All climatologists are scientist, but not all scientist or climatologist.
 

Who is the scientific community you speak of and what are their qualifications to predict the future of our climate?

[Mike Honcho 5,251]

1 minute ago, Baker Boy said:

You keep quoting scientist, but you’re never specific. There are dozens of different types of scientist. Engineers are considered scientist. Just because you are a scientist it does not mean you understand climatology. All climatologists are scientist, but not all scientist or climatologist.
 

Who is the scientific community you speak of and what are their qualifications to predict the future of our climate?

This is a laughable position, since the climate deniers have absolutely tried exactly that tactic; circulating documents and petitions of "scientists" unrelated to climatology who don't think global warming is real. 

And for what it's worth, I'm reading these guys.
 

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According to NASA, 97% of actively publishing climate scientists agree that humans are causing climate change and global warming. This consensus is based on well-established evidence and has been the subject of surveys since the 1970s. A 2013 study found that 97% of over 4,000 peer-reviewed climate science papers published since 1990 explicitly or implicitly agree that global warming is happening and is human-caused.

 

[IndyColtsFan 325]

Dow up almost 600 points today. Nasdaq up 400 points. S&P 500 up 100 points.

[Baker Boy 1,694]

19 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

This is a laughable position, since the climate deniers have absolutely tried exactly that tactic; circulating documents and petitions of "scientists" unrelated to climatology who don't think global warming is real. 

And for what it's worth, I'm reading these guys.
 

 

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climate scientists agree that humans are causing climate change and global warming.

This is a very disingenuous statement. There are dozens of things that cause climate change, it has been happening for 5 billion years. I want to see a scientist put his name to the fact that global warming can be solved by eliminating fossil fuels. That is the argument!

how much will it cost to eliminate fossil fuels? How much will that lower the temperature of the Earth? The fact is nobody knows, it’s just a  theory but you’re willing to throw tens of trillions of dollars at it anyway.

The real joke of this movement is that they are trying to solve the problem by reverting back to thousand year-old technology.

 

[IndyColtsFan 325]

2 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

This is a very disingenuous statement. There are dozens of things that cause climate change, it has been happening for 5 billion years. I want to see a scientist put his name to the fact that global warming can be solved by eliminating fossil fuels. That is the argument!

how much will it cost to eliminate fossil fuels? How much will that lower the temperature of the Earth? The fact is nobody knows, it’s just a  theory but you’re willing to throw tens of trillions of dollars at it anyway.

 

I know a climatologist who has studied ice-core samples. The amount of carbon dioxide in the samples began spiking exactly at the same time as the industrial age started, and it has steadily gotten worse over the ensuing decades. 

Yeah, sure, the Earth has gone through periods of cooling and heating, but the core samples pretty much speak for themselves and serve as indisputable evidence of mankind's impact on climate. 

[RLLD 4,197]

Its entertaining watching leftists use terminology like "climate denier"......such an indicator of the religious nature of their beliefs. 

[JuneJuly 193]

15 minutes ago, IndyColtsFan said:

Dow up almost 600 points today. Nasdaq up 400 points. S&P 500 up 100 points.

Whole life dividend unchanged.  

[IndyColtsFan 325]

1 minute ago, JuneJuly said:

Whole life dividend unchanged.  

As will be my tax-free income in retirement.

[JuneJuly 193]

Just now, IndyColtsFan said:

As will be my tax-free income in retirement.

- dividends are only tax free if they don't exceed the premiums you paid in.  Wow what a good deal.

- cashing out the policy is taxed as income during retirement.

You sell this stuff and you don't even know how it works.  

[supermike80 1,887]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. They’re not. 
 

They’re better to the extent that Trump would make it far worse. But make no mistake Biden’s actions on this have been horrible. 
 

My hope is that, with Kamala being from the Bay Area she understands a little more about the Pacific Rim than Biden does and will loosen these trade restrictions once in office. But I have no idea. 

I sincerely doubt Kamala will backpedal on this.  I don't see her as a strong thinker...Sorry but I don't.  And please please understand this wasn't Biden's initiative.  He has been an empty suit for a very long time.  this was a democratic initiative that he stood up for.  There is no way Kamala changes that.  Zero.

[IndyColtsFan 325]

8 minutes ago, JuneJuly said:

- dividends are only tax free if they don't exceed the premiums you paid in.  Wow what a good deal.

- cashing out the policy is taxed as income during retirement.

You sell this stuff and you don't even know how it works.  

You don't cash out the policy, dumbass. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,264]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

How does that jibe with a 10% tax on all imports and a 60% tax on Chinese imports? Is that letting the markets “take care of themselves”? 

He never said 10 pct tax on all imports. Why are you lying again? 

[Hawkeye21 2,393]

Isn't the market still the highest it's ever been before Biden took office?  Looks like it's been pretty steady when you take a bigger look at it.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,264]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Isn't the market still the highest it's ever been before Biden took office?  Looks like it's been pretty steady when you take a bigger look at it.

It went up more under Trump. He was setting records too. Do you need me to explain that for you or do you think you got it? 

[Hawkeye21 2,393]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It went up more under Trump. He was setting records too. Do you need me to explain that for you or do you think you got it? 

First, can you say anything without being a condescending ass hole?  Second, that doesn't answer the question I asked.  Third, try being happy once.

[Hawkeye21 2,393]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He never said 10 pct tax on all imports. Why are you lying again? 

What did he say then?  All I can find when searching is that he proposed a 10% tariff on all imports.

[Mike Honcho 5,251]

5 hours ago, Baker Boy said:

This is a very disingenuous statement. There are dozens of things that cause climate change, it has been happening for 5 billion years. I want to see a scientist put his name to the fact that global warming can be solved by eliminating fossil fuels. That is the argument!

how much will it cost to eliminate fossil fuels? How much will that lower the temperature of the Earth? The fact is nobody knows, it’s just a  theory but you’re willing to throw tens of trillions of dollars at it anyway.

The real joke of this movement is that they are trying to solve the problem by reverting back to thousand year-old technology.

 

 

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climate scientists agree that humans are causing climate change and global warming.

 

 

 

Human are causing climate change and global warming.  That statement does not exclude other causes.

You asked a question, I answered, I'm not going to answer an endless barrage of questions while you decide where you want to place the goalposts. I will forward your request to the scientists though about putting a name on a solution that NO ONE is suggesting. 

[seafoam1 2,919]

18 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

Human are causing climate change and global warming. 

That's a very ignorant statement. But you be you. 

[Baker Boy 1,694]

15 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

Human are causing climate change and global warming.  That statement does not exclude other causes.

You asked a question, I answered, I'm not going to answer an endless barrage of questions while you decide where you want to place the goalposts. I will forward your request to the scientists though about putting a name on a solution that NO ONE is suggesting. 

My point is this, eliminating fossil fuels is not going to have any measurable effect on our temperatures. Our environment is extremely complex, to believe that one aspect is going to save the planet is extremely naïve. 
 

oh, I’m sorry they’re also addressing cow farts.

[League Champion 1,909]

Biden left us a g-damn mess of a Country. And his old asss is still blaming Trump. 

[RLLD 4,197]

5 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Biden left us a g-damn mess of a Country. And his old asss is still blaming Trump. 

he hurt us in almost every conceivable way a president could hurt the people.....but again....I doubt it was him so much as the staff.....being directed by Obama, to have him do absurdly stupid things

[Baker Boy 1,694]

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a60702457/federal-funds-yield-only-8-ev-charging-stations/

$7.5 Billion In Federal Funds Yield Only 8 EV Charging Stations

 

A rational person would build the charging stations before they push the electric vehicles. This administration has severely damaged the electric vehicle market.

 

https://www.autonews.com/mobility-report/40-us-ev-owners-want-return-combustion-engine-cars

More than 40% of U.S. EV buyers want to go back to combustion engine cars, McKinsey study says

 

 

[Herbivore 1,123]

21 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. They’re not. 
 

They’re better to the extent that Trump would make it far worse. But make no mistake Biden’s actions on this have been horrible. 
 

My hope is that, with Kamala being from the Bay Area she understands a little more about the Pacific Rim than Biden does and will loosen these trade restrictions once in office. But I have no idea. 

can she see china from her house?

[supermike80 1,887]

23 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a60702457/federal-funds-yield-only-8-ev-charging-stations/

$7.5 Billion In Federal Funds Yield Only 8 EV Charging Stations

 

A rational person would build the charging stations before they push the electric vehicles. This administration has severely damaged the electric vehicle market.

 

https://www.autonews.com/mobility-report/40-us-ev-owners-want-return-combustion-engine-cars

More than 40% of U.S. EV buyers want to go back to combustion engine cars, McKinsey study says

 

 

I live in Michigan where the auto industry is still huge.  The EV mandate, push, whatever you want to call it, has done some real damage here.  Auto companies that were trying to comply with the mandate, are losing billions--and backing off their pledges because the consumer doesn't want it.  Suppliers are getting spanked as they tried to ramp up as well, only to get hurt by this.

The "big three" are NOT awarding multi year contracts to warehouse and transportation providers.  Wanna know why?  Cause they don't know what will happen in the EV market.  If a warehouse or transportation provider can't get a longer team agreement, that means they will have to charge more for a one year deal---which leads to more cost to the "big three" and more cost to you.   It all adds up, and very quickly.

[League Champion 1,909]

32 minutes ago, RLLD said:

he hurt us in almost every conceivable way a president could hurt the people.....but again....I doubt it was him so much as the staff.....being directed by Obama, to have him do absurdly stupid things

I'm not sure you could have a worse Presidency. WTF good has he done? 

[RLLD 4,197]

3 minutes ago, League Champion said:

I'm not sure you could have a worse Presidency. WTF good has he done? 

There was something about drug prices I think, but other than that the last four years has been rather abysmal....unless you are of affluence, and played the markets....have to say that for the wealthy the guy has been rather helpful....

[Baker Boy 1,694]

16 minutes ago, RLLD said:

There was something about drug prices I think, but other than that the last four years has been rather abysmal....unless you are of affluence, and played the markets....have to say that for the wealthy the guy has been rather helpful....

Yes, he talks how he lowered insulin prices for diabetics but he had to block Trump’s mandate to lower insulin prices.

https://factcheck.afp.com/trumps-insulin-order-frozen-not-scrapped-biden

Trump’s insulin order frozen, not scrapped, by Biden.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,264]

He signed an infrastructure bill that has more money for social programs than potholes. And still didn’t deliver on the social programs.  But his green energy buddies and donors got paid.