The National debt

[Hardcore troubadour 16,290]

19 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Pentagon, DHS, etc

Good idea, but vague   I’d like to hear more about the etc part. 

[Fnord 2,743]

14 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I'm insinuating that ALL of Congress has no intention of upsetting the corupt apple cart that they are all in, are just letting Trumps tenure play out to keep him in the media (and idiots like you), focus and not on them.

LOL. Yeah, that's what happened.

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3 minutes ago, Fnord said:

LOL. Yeah, that's what happened.

Another spot on the wall. 

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23 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Good idea, but vague   I’d like to hear more about the etc part. 

Everyone's gotta get a haircut, we need to raise taxes, we need pro growth policy and investments, less corruption and waste.  Basically the opposite of what is happening now.

[MDC 8,310]

Only way the budget gets balanced is by serious spending and entitlement cuts to the military, Medicare/Medicaid, and Social Security, AND major tax hikes, like uncapping payroll tax contributions and closing tax loopholes.

Good luck getting any Congress or President to sign off on that. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,290]

8 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Everyone's gotta get a haircut, we need to raise taxes, we need pro growth policy and investments, less corruption and waste.  Basically the opposite of what is happening now.

Raise taxes on who? 

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Raise taxes on who? 

Highest earners

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4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Highest earners

peefoam?

[Ron_Artest 2,843]

1 minute ago, edjr said:

peefoam?

That would be the most hated

[edjr 7,155]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

That would be the most hated

That works too. tax those focks

[SUXBNME 1,649]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Pentagon, DHS, etc

The J. Edgar Hoover Building, the FBI's long-time headquarters in Washington D.C., is being permanently closed as the agency relocates its workforce to the Ronald Reagan Building, a move announced by Director Kash Patel in late 2025 to save billions and consolidate operations into a modern, existing facility, ending years of debate over the deteriorating structure.  

 

Good start? 

[Ron_Artest 2,843]

2 minutes ago, SUXBNME said:

The J. Edgar Hoover Building, the FBI's long-time headquarters in Washington D.C., is being permanently closed as the agency relocates its workforce to the Ronald Reagan Building, a move announced by Director Kash Patel in late 2025 to save billions and consolidate operations into a modern, existing facility, ending years of debate over the deteriorating structure.  

 

Good start? 

It's actually not saving money, just avoids construction of a new building, but sure, any way to spend less money.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,290]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Highest earners

Their income tax? 

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Their income tax? 

We need changes to the tax system to get a higher effective tax rate for the highest earners that receive their comp via equity paid out via long term capital gains.

If you have a point make it and stop with the childish questions.  I'm not answering anymore.

[Alias Detective 1,483]

On 1/20/2026 at 11:50 PM, seafoam1 said:

I take nothing free. When's the last time you got a call at 6:30 in the morning when you weren't expecting to work in December in 15 degree weather to come into work and deliver mail and packages to 650 homes?

How is that getting something for free? 

What heavy physical activity do you do for your job? 

You a mail man?

[Hardcore troubadour 16,290]

18 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

We need changes to the tax system to get a higher effective tax rate for the highest earners that receive their comp via equity paid out via long term capital gains.

If you have a point make it and stop with the childish questions.  I'm not answering anymore.

So you want to tax capital gains as income. Me too. 

[Fnord 2,743]

1 hour ago, Alias Detective said:

You a mail man?

He allegedly delivers mail. There is some question as to whether the last word really applies.

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21 hours ago, MDC said:

Only way the budget gets balanced is by serious spending and entitlement cuts to the military, Medicare/Medicaid, and Social Security, AND major tax hikes, like uncapping payroll tax contributions and closing tax loopholes.

Good luck getting any Congress or President to sign off on that. 

There’s no such thing as a loophole

[thegeneral 3,875]

Debt grows by 2.2 trillion last year

BUT MUH DOGE!!

[Hardcore troubadour 16,290]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Debt grows by 2.2 trillion last year

BUT MUH DOGE!!

So you don’t think there is much waste fraud and abuse ?

[MDC 8,310]

3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

There’s no such thing as a loophole

 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,290]

4 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

There’s no such thing as a loophole

Once you understand that then you understand what’s happening. 

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2 minutes ago, MDC said:

 

Can you show me?  There is no such thing as a loophole. A loophole would be finding away to work around a system to your advantage. Everything rich people do is written into the tax code law. They are following the system 

[thegeneral 3,875]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So you don’t think there is much waste fraud and abuse ?

Donald personally pulled in 400 million from Crypto last year and is taking a jet from Qatar

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1 hour ago, Alias Detective said:

You a mail man?

 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,290]

8 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Donald personally pulled in 400 million from Crypto last year and is taking a jet from Qatar

I’m talking about tax dollars going out.  So you think there is not significant waste fraud and abuse? 

[thegeneral 3,875]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m talking about tax dollars going out.  So you think there is not significant waste fraud and abuse? 

I’m sure there is abuse. There is still abuse, there will always be abuse. The debt is up the same as it was last year. DOGE is classic Trump a bunch of bluster when you peel back the top layer of gold paint it’s just a tin can with some duct tape.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,290]

Just now, thegeneral said:

I’m sure there is abuse. There is still abuse, there will always be abuse. The debt is up the same as it was last year. DOGE is classic Trump a bunch of bluster when you peel back the top layer of gold paint it’s just a tin can with some duct tape.

Yeah, no one got in their way. Keep rooting for the swamp. 

[thegeneral 3,875]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, no one got in their way. Keep rooting for the swamp. 

They disbanded the whole thing in like 4 months

You root for a conman who has made more money in the past year than he did in his whole life. Nice work!

[MDC 8,310]

15 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Can you show me?  There is no such thing as a loophole. A loophole would be finding away to work around a system to your advantage. Everything rich people do is written into the tax code law. They are following the system 

Well, duh. The loophole is that our tax code allows the mega rich to disguise their income and pay a far lower tax rate than the working class. 

If you want to call it something other than a “loophole” go ahead. 

[Ron_Artest 2,843]

There is absolutely waste fraud and abuse across all levels of Govt.  The goal of DOGE was not to eliminate waste fraud and abuse, it was to eliminate spending that Trump didn't like.  It actually generated more abuse.

If we ever get a president that is serious about cleaning up government waste, it could be done.

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Just now, MDC said:

Well, duh. The loophole is that our tax code allows the mega rich to disguise their income and pay a far lower tax rate than the working class. 

If you want to call it something other than a “loophole” go ahead. 

right call it what it is, tax code in place

as far as the rich paying less, no they don't you people seem to think net worth and income are the same

 

[MDC 8,310]

12 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

right call it what it is, tax code in place

as far as the rich paying less, no they don't you people seem to think net worth and income are the same

 

I didn’t say they pay less. I said in many instances they pay a lower rate than the working class.

For example, when  he ran for POTUS, Romney’s effective tax rate was around 15%. Seems unfair to me that his income is charged at a lower rate than most working class people because it comes from capital gains and investments. FICA taxes are also incredibly regressive.

 

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34 minutes ago, MDC said:

I didn’t say they pay less. I said in many instances they pay a lower rate than the working class.

For example, when  he ran for POTUS, Romney’s effective tax rate was around 15%. Seems unfair to me that his income is charged at a lower rate than most working class people because it comes from capital gains and investments. FICA taxes are also incredibly regressive.

 

good half the country doesn't even pay taxes, so whatever

youre a moron if you pay taxes anyways

fock the govt and irs

flat rate or ill continue using every "loophole" there is

paying taxes on capital gains and investments is gay

[MDC 8,310]

2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

good half the country doesn't even pay taxes, so whatever

youre a moron if you pay taxes anyways

fock the govt and irs

flat rate or ill continue using every "loophole" there is

paying taxes on capital gains and investments is gay

Forgot who I was talking to and tried to have an actual conversation with you for a change.

I wont make that mistake again.  

[thegeneral 3,875]

14 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

good half the country doesn't even pay taxes, so whatever

youre a moron if you pay taxes anyways

fock the govt and irs

flat rate or ill continue using every "loophole" there is

paying taxes on capital gains and investments is gay

Got to pay for the golden dome and those new bases in Greenland you are excited about!

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1 hour ago, MDC said:

Forgot who I was talking to and tried to have an actual conversation with you for a change.

I wont make that mistake again.  

You’re actual conversation started with a laugh and me saying there is no loopholes which you admitted. Yet here you are wanting people to be taxed on perceived gains that aren’t in realized until a sale. And you want them to be taxed on that every year?  That’s idiotic. 

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1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

Got to pay for the golden dome and those new bases in Greenland you are excited about!

I’m excited about the mineral rights. I don’t even know if Russia has nukes at this point 

[seafoam1 3,630]

10 hours ago, Alias Detective said:

You a mail man?

Yeah. I retired a few years ago but wanted to keep busy doing something but not sitting at a desk all day.  So I figured I would give it a shot. I basically fill in for people when they are sick or need time off. 

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9 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

paying taxes on capital gains and investments is gay

Never cared for capital gains taxes either. It's the government acting as if they held your hand and told you to buy an investment that ended up doing well so you have to share with them. You save 'after tax' money and invest it, so that money has already been taxed once. Even worse is the idea being floated about taxing unrealized gains.