Rep Nancy Mace

[Fireballer 2,641]

7 hours ago, jerryskids said:

These discussions always focus on bathrooms, but they also mentioned changing rooms and locker rooms.  These latter two are a hard stop for me.  If you disagree, you don't have a female in your life.

Bathrooms were a gateway drug

[Sean Mooney 1,966]

On 11/23/2024 at 2:51 PM, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Yeah, until your side decided to push the issue.  It went from "we just want people to call us by the names we give ourselves" to "we DEMAND access to all women's spaces, require everyone to give us everything we want, demand that everyone pretend we're women and not men and child surgeries for everyone!".

Had you left it to the "we just want respect" it would have been fine but, as usual, give your side an inch and then they want to take over the world.

Can you ever have a response without immediately saying "Your side" and the like?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,020]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Can you ever have a response without immediately saying "Your side" and the like?

But it is YOUR side.   

When you defend the left all day, every day you don't get to claim independent status.  

[Sean Mooney 1,966]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

But it is YOUR side.   

When you defend the left all day, every day you don't get to claim independent status.  

I don't have a side. I've said before- the majority of people here are far right. So it's easy to look left against that. On some other boards that are more liberal I'm told I'm far right.

Hell I told people there that Trump was going to win and dared to say that the "record number of new voters" could just as easily be people signing up to support Trump and there were ready to burn me at the stake. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,240]

33 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

But it is YOUR side.   

When you defend the left all day, every day you don't get to claim independent status.  

Cheers. These phony foxks except to be given a pass for what they support every day. Pay no mind too their whining. 

[jerryskids 6,711]

On 11/21/2024 at 7:50 AM, Sean Mooney said:

Genuinely curious- how many cases are there of a transwoman sexually attacking a female in a bathroom?

I've been meaning to respond to this, as you repeatedly ask the above, but I hadn't gotten around to it.

When I tried searching for statistics of violent crimes BY transgenders, all of the results were for violent crimes AGAINST transgenders.  Odd.  I tried both Google and DuckDuckGo.  You would think that such algorithms would be sophisticated enough to understand my search.  Regardless, I'm left to conclude that either such data doesn't exist, or they don't want me to see it.

More importantly though, there is a danger in relying on past results to predict future results, particularly when the systems generating those results have undergone significant change.  I point this out frequently to @The Real timschochet whenever he quotes statistics about the economic benefits of immigration.  In the case of trans women, until recently we have had much fewer trans people, and those generally had to go through years of therapy, much of the latter end I presume in learning how to coexist in society.  But now we have a social contagion (please don't argue we don't, you are too smart for that) and a large industry built around "gender affirmation."  Think about that -- "affirmation" implies that we accept your belief as the default.  

Much has been documented about the comorbidities that trans folks have with other mental health issues; if you want me to search for some links I can.  Somebody posted that link about the trans woman wanting to bang Mace's face into the cement until she dies.  You can say that's a one-off, but such folks are out there.  Also, this recent surge in trans acceptance (if not celebration) has begun to enable a class of sh1tty men who are predators but not trans to get into women's safe spaces.

All of this is to say that you cannot look at statistics from the past in this instance.

I'll end with a discussion I had with my wife yesterday on this topic.  She is a taekwondo black belt so better trained than most to defend herself, but not large, 5' 1".  I told her about this thread and she pointed out that women wear some weird stuff in the interest of fashion, and if you have a romper on, you are basically sitting in the stall nekkid.  She didn't like the idea of a large man in the room, or the stall next door, while feeling so vulnerable.

I like to think of myself as empathetic, but I don't think any guy can truly empathize with women on this topic.

[Sean Mooney 1,966]

35 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I've been meaning to respond to this, as you repeatedly ask the above, but I hadn't gotten around to it.

When I tried searching for statistics of violent crimes BY transgenders, all of the results were for violent crimes AGAINST transgenders.  Odd.  I tried both Google and DuckDuckGo.  You would think that such algorithms would be sophisticated enough to understand my search.  Regardless, I'm left to conclude that either such data doesn't exist, or they don't want me to see it.

More importantly though, there is a danger in relying on past results to predict future results, particularly when the systems generating those results have undergone significant change.  I point this out frequently to @The Real timschochet whenever he quotes statistics about the economic benefits of immigration.  In the case of trans women, until recently we have had much fewer trans people, and those generally had to go through years of therapy, much of the latter end I presume in learning how to coexist in society.  But now we have a social contagion (please don't argue we don't, you are too smart for that) and a large industry built around "gender affirmation."  Think about that -- "affirmation" implies that we accept your belief as the default.  

Much has been documented about the comorbidities that trans folks have with other mental health issues; if you want me to search for some links I can.  Somebody posted that link about the trans woman wanting to bang Mace's face into the cement until she dies.  You can say that's a one-off, but such folks are out there.  Also, this recent surge in trans acceptance (if not celebration) has begun to enable a class of sh1tty men who are predators but not trans to get into women's safe spaces.

All of this is to say that you cannot look at statistics from the past in this instance.

I'll end with a discussion I had with my wife yesterday on this topic.  She is a taekwondo black belt so better trained than most to defend herself, but not large, 5' 1".  I told her about this thread and she pointed out that women wear some weird stuff in the interest of fashion, and if you have a romper on, you are basically sitting in the stall nekkid.  She didn't like the idea of a large man in the room, or the stall next door, while feeling so vulnerable.

I like to think of myself as empathetic, but I don't think any guy can truly empathize with women on this topic.

Here is my larger point- we live in a society that is all about demonization of anyone who is not like them or does not think like them. The left is guilty of it. The right is guilty of it. In this case there is a demonization of transgender people that in some respects I can buy into. Like for example- a transgender woman probably should not be allowed to compete in a woman's sport but until someone does something about it they can. But the bathroom thing seems like just demonizing people and trying to couch it in a real issue. Like yes I don't want a man in the woman's room but there isn't an epidemic of men hiding in women's bathrooms to assault women. There also isn't an epidemic of transgender women attacking women in a bathroom, or locker room, or changing room. So- it's fine to think "Hey can we stop this one thing" but far too often for people- including many here- it leads to people wanting to just cast the whole lot of transgender people out, and I'm not for that really either. The world is more complex than either/or scenarios and I resist turning things into tha.t 

Now before any of the people here who are not interested in having a serious conversation (not you- you probably know who I mean) come running it- I understand it all and I understand why it works to conduct it this way. I have two daughters. They are of the age where you can't take them into a men's room anymore to use the restroom if you are out somewhere with them. If I am by myself with them I will let my oldest use the women's room and will have her take my youngest in with her if I have them both. And we've talked about what to do if anyone is in there that makes you uncomfortable- man or woman. I've gone over how to punch someone in the windpipe, take fingernails right to their eyes to scratch, and to use the point of the shoe to drive it right into their genital area. Worst case scenario I've instructed them to yell and I'll come busting in regardless of what the room is to handle some bidness. But I'd be lying if I said I didn't have a pang of worry when they walk in by themselves. But I also don't necessarily live in fear of it happening anymore than I worry about anything my kids do in any other moment of their lives and I certainly don't give it as much headspace as people here do. 

[jerryskids 6,711]

14 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Here is my larger point- we live in a society that is all about demonization of anyone who is not like them or does not think like them. The left is guilty of it. The right is guilty of it. In this case there is a demonization of transgender people that in some respects I can buy into. Like for example- a transgender woman probably should not be allowed to compete in a woman's sport but until someone does something about it they can. But the bathroom thing seems like just demonizing people and trying to couch it in a real issue. Like yes I don't want a man in the woman's room but there isn't an epidemic of men hiding in women's bathrooms to assault women. There also isn't an epidemic of transgender women attacking women in a bathroom, or locker room, or changing room. So- it's fine to think "Hey can we stop this one thing" but far too often for people- including many here- it leads to people wanting to just cast the whole lot of transgender people out, and I'm not for that really either. The world is more complex than either/or scenarios and I resist turning things into tha.t 

Now before any of the people here who are not interested in having a serious conversation (not you- you probably know who I mean) come running it- I understand it all and I understand why it works to conduct it this way. I have two daughters. They are of the age where you can't take them into a men's room anymore to use the restroom if you are out somewhere with them. If I am by myself with them I will let my oldest use the women's room and will have her take my youngest in with her if I have them both. And we've talked about what to do if anyone is in there that makes you uncomfortable- man or woman. I've gone over how to punch someone in the windpipe, take fingernails right to their eyes to scratch, and to use the point of the shoe to drive it right into their genital area. Worst case scenario I've instructed them to yell and I'll come busting in regardless of what the room is to handle some bidness. But I'd be lying if I said I didn't have a pang of worry when they walk in by themselves. But I also don't necessarily live in fear of it happening anymore than I worry about anything my kids do in any other moment of their lives and I certainly don't give it as much headspace as people here do. 

First, good for you on the self defense stuff.  If a stranger picks up a kid and carries them out, and the kid just wiggles and cries, bystanders will presume it is a disciplinary situation.  Gouging eyes and kicking balls though, that's not normal and gets attention.  I would add to teach them to scream "you're not my father/mother!" as well.  We used to work on this with kids in our martial arts classes (it helped that we had helmets with face masks, and cups).  

Anyway, I would propose that we are both concerned with different slippery slopes.  Yours is that people use the bathroom issue as an anti-trans issue.  That's fair.  Mine is that letting them in bathrooms, if not in and of itself dangerous, is a step in the Saul Alinsky playbook of letting them into locker rooms, prisons, and women's sports.

Sometimes the thing is just the thing, though.  On the locker rooms and prisons, to me that is an easy hard stop.  Similar for women's sports, definitely contact sports, but any where a biological male would have a competitive advantage.  You legislate to the norm -- if there is some obscure case like the boxer who was identified as female at birth, you address that as a one-off.

The bathrooms to me are a little harder; I'd default to "no" because of young girls in particular, but like I said, I don't know that any guy can truly empathize with the concerns women have in the presence of large men.  I'd just as well let women duke that one out and decide.

In the end, IMO it's unfortunate that opposition to biological men in women's locker rooms, say, is argued by both sides as whether or not the person is truly a woman.  I think that distracts from the real concerns.  I would prefer that my "side" take more of an approach of "we understand that you identify as a woman, but for the good of society, we can't let you into these spaces.  Here is why."  There are clear reasons, many of which I've mentioned already.

[Sean Mooney 1,966]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

First, good for you on the self defense stuff.  If a stranger picks up a kid and carries them out, and the kid just wiggles and cries, bystanders will presume it is a disciplinary situation.  Gouging eyes and kicking balls though, that's not normal and gets attention.  I would add to teach them to scream "you're not my father/mother!" as well.  We used to work on this with kids in our martial arts classes (it helped that we had helmets with face masks, and cups).  

Anyway, I would propose that we are both concerned with different slippery slopes.  Yours is that people use the bathroom issue as an anti-trans issue.  That's fair.  Mine is that letting them in bathrooms, if not in and of itself dangerous, is a step in the Saul Alinsky playbook of letting them into locker rooms, prisons, and women's sports.

Sometimes the thing is just the thing, though.  On the locker rooms and prisons, to me that is an easy hard stop.  Similar for women's sports, definitely contact sports, but any where a biological male would have a competitive advantage.  You legislate to the norm -- if there is some obscure case like the boxer who was identified as female at birth, you address that as a one-off.

The bathrooms to me are a little harder; I'd default to "no" because of young girls in particular, but like I said, I don't know that any guy can truly empathize with the concerns women have in the presence of large men.  I'd just as well let women duke that one out and decide.

In the end, IMO it's unfortunate that opposition to biological men in women's locker rooms, say, is argued by both sides as whether or not the person is truly a woman.  I think that distracts from the real concerns.  I would prefer that my "side" take more of an approach of "we understand that you identify as a woman, but for the good of society, we can't let you into these spaces.  Here is why."  There are clear reasons, many of which I've mentioned already.

I appreciate your response and the thought you put into it. I think what we can agree on from the various sides we come at this is- it is a complex issue. And it needs to be looked at from a number of different angles and legislated as such. But dealing with complex issues is something we've become really bad at as a society- especially in government. I worry about some issues, you worry about others- but they surround the same topic. 

I don't know if we agree on this so I won't lump you in on it- but the dipsh!ts on here who immediately bust into these things to yell "You are okay with kids being raped you pedocrat" are not helping the discussion because all they do is obfuscate the issue and feed into fears and whatnot. They pull away from the real issues you speak on and have no care for the issues I speak on which just leads to heels being dug in. 

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3 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

I don't have a side. I've said before- the majority of people here are far right. So it's easy to look left against that. On some other boards that are more liberal I'm told I'm far right.

Hell I told people there that Trump was going to win and dared to say that the "record number of new voters" could just as easily be people signing up to support Trump and there were ready to burn me at the stake. 

I am far from far right and you and I don't have much in common.  You are farther left than you realize.

[DonS 3,292]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

 

I'll end with a discussion I had with my wife yesterday on this topic.  She is a taekwondo black belt so better trained than most to defend herself, but not large, 5' 1".  I told her about this thread and she pointed out that women wear some weird stuff in the interest of fashion, and if you have a romper on, you are basically sitting in the stall nekkid.  

Dear Penthouse Forum...  I went to take a sh1t and accidentally walked in on a gal sitting in the stall nekkid.  You won't believe what happened next!!!! 

[Sean Mooney 1,966]

1 minute ago, Alias Detective said:

I am far from far right and you and I don't have much in common.  You are farther left than you realize.

You don't know what I believe in. You just know what I mock here- which in some cases is just stupid arguments. Doesn't mean I disagree with the poster- just means I think their argument is stupid. 

 

[Alias Detective 1,393]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

You don't know what I believe in.

 

Troll??  Is that your stance?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,240]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

You don't know what I believe in. You just know what I mock here- which in some cases is just stupid arguments. Doesn't mean I disagree with the poster- just means I think their argument is stupid. 

 

You say something stupid everyday.   Including this. Its also funny.

[Sean Mooney 1,966]

1 minute ago, Alias Detective said:

Troll??  Is that your stance?

Troll? No. That is a silly take from what I said

[Alias Detective 1,393]

2 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Troll? No. That is a silly take from what I said

Well, I know what you post yet You said I don’t know what you believe.  
My only conclusion is you are trolling and don’t have any stance.

[Sean Mooney 1,966]

1 hour ago, Alias Detective said:

Well, I know what you post yet You said I don’t know what you believe.  
My only conclusion is you are trolling and don’t have any stance.

Fine if you want to be wrong 

[jerryskids 6,711]

3 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

I appreciate your response and the thought you put into it. I think what we can agree on from the various sides we come at this is- it is a complex issue. And it needs to be looked at from a number of different angles and legislated as such. But dealing with complex issues is something we've become really bad at as a society- especially in government. I worry about some issues, you worry about others- but they surround the same topic. 

I don't know if we agree on this so I won't lump you in on it- but the dipsh!ts on here who immediately bust into these things to yell "You are okay with kids being raped you pedocrat" are not helping the discussion because all they do is obfuscate the issue and feed into fears and whatnot. They pull away from the real issues you speak on and have no care for the issues I speak on which just leads to heels being dug in. 

Thanks.  I would argue though that it isn't that complex.  Biological men in changing rooms, locker rooms, prisons, or other safe spaces should be a default hard stop.  Same with women's sports.  

I can see the argument about restrooms, but my girls are in their 20s so it isn't as visceral an issue for me.

Can we agree on the first paragraph?

[Sean Mooney 1,966]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Thanks.  I would argue though that it isn't that complex.  Biological men in changing rooms, locker rooms, prisons, or other safe spaces should be a default hard stop.  Same with women's sports.  

I can see the argument about restrooms, but my girls are in their 20s so it isn't as visceral an issue for me.

Can we agree on the first paragraph?

I don't disagree with a lot of it. I will add though I think the complex part comes from people add in bathrooms and stuff like that to it all instead of drawing boxes around various areas. They try to one size fits all the issue. 

I will ask though- who is going to monitor the changing rooms, locker rooms and everything? Is a store or gym looking to do that? Do they have the resources to do that?

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35 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Fine if you want to be wrong 

Typical liberal dumbass. You all have no fear of looking stupid and it shows. 

[jerryskids 6,711]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

I don't disagree with a lot of it. I will add though I think the complex part comes from people add in bathrooms and stuff like that to it all instead of drawing boxes around various areas. They try to one size fits all the issue. 

So, you agree with my first paragraph?

[Sean Mooney 1,966]

Just now, jerryskids said:

So, you agree with my first paragraph?

Are you including bathrooms in the first paragraph?

[jerryskids 6,711]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

Are you including bathrooms in the first paragraph?

No

[Strike 5,396]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

I don't disagree with a lot of it. I will add though I think the complex part comes from people add in bathrooms and stuff like that to it all instead of drawing boxes around various areas. They try to one size fits all the issue. 

The problem is that if you say "you know what let's do the bathroom thing", we'll agree to that, but everything else is a hard stop.  First of all, the alphabet people won't agree to that but let's say they do.  Then we go down that road for a couple of years.  Then all of a sudden it's "We need to let these people in women's locker rooms!!!"  It's their RIGHT.  And we're back here again.  It happens every time.  So, "my side" has realized that and understands we have to nip it in the bud.  Give an inch and they take a mile.  Call it the "slippery slope" if you want.  Whatever you want to call it we understand the game now. 

[Sean Mooney 1,966]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

No

Okay....then sure. I have no problem with it. It will probably just lead to them building a separate locker room facility or something for transgender people which will raise rates or costs.....but whatever. I don't care enough to fight it. 

1 minute ago, Strike said:

The problem is that if you say "you know what let's do the bathroom thing", we'll agree to that, but everything else is a hard stop.  First of all, the alphabet people won't agree to that but let's say they do.  Then we go down that road for a couple of years.  Then all of a sudden it's "We need to let these people in women's locker rooms!!!"  It's their RIGHT.  And we're back here again.  It happens every time.  So, "my side" has realized that and understands we have to nip it in the bud.  Give an inch and they take a mile.  Call it the "slippery slope" if you want.  Whatever you want to call it we understand the game now. 

But trying to hardline stance it won't make it go away either. It will still be an issue a few years down the road. See what so many here don't understand is- I want people who are transgendered to feel respected and heard and seen.....but I also understand the flip side argument and want those opinions to be heard and respected as well. That means we need to find a compromise where both sides can feel like they took something from it as a win. But demonizing one side or calling one side intolerant doesn't get the job done for me

[jerryskids 6,711]

6 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Okay....then sure. I have no problem with it. It will probably just lead to them building a separate locker room facility or something for transgender people which will raise rates or costs.....but whatever. I don't care enough to fight it. 

But trying to hardline stance it won't make it go away either. It will still be an issue a few years down the road. See what so many here don't understand is- I want people who are transgendered to feel respected and heard and seen.....but I also understand the flip side argument and want those opinions to be heard and respected as well. That means we need to find a compromise where both sides can feel like they took something from it as a win. But demonizing one side or calling one side intolerant doesn't get the job done for me

I don't think it's that hard, or needs a separate locker room facility.  I've said here many times:  my youngest daughter has Type 1 diabetes.  She is free to pursue happiness... except where she isn't, in the interest of societal good.  She can't join the military for instance.  

Trans adults should be free to lead their lives as trans, but not to enter women's safe spaces.  I'll again exclude bathrooms, because I do agree that that is a complex issue.  

Agreed?

[Strike 5,396]

14 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Okay....then sure. I have no problem with it. It will probably just lead to them building a separate locker room facility or something for transgender people which will raise rates or costs.....but whatever. I don't care enough to fight it. 

But trying to hardline stance it won't make it go away either. It will still be an issue a few years down the road. See what so many here don't understand is- I want people who are transgendered to feel respected and heard and seen.....but I also understand the flip side argument and want those opinions to be heard and respected as well. That means we need to find a compromise where both sides can feel like they took something from it as a win. But demonizing one side or calling one side intolerant doesn't get the job done for me

No one is disrespecting anyone.  When someone told Stevie Wonder they couldn't allow him to become a pilot it wasn't out of disrespect.

[Sean Mooney 1,966]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I don't think it's that hard, or needs a separate locker room facility.  I've said here many times:  my youngest daughter has Type 1 diabetes.  She is free to pursue happiness... except where she isn't, in the interest of societal good.  She can't join the military for instance.  

Trans adults should be free to lead their lives as trans, but not to enter women's safe spaces.  I'll again exclude bathrooms, because I do agree that that is a complex issue.  

Agreed?

I agree on it all. I'm just saying at this point now I'm not sure what the fix is because I'm gonna guess there are going to be men who are going to be uncomfortable with a transgender woman dressing in a men's room as well. I don't know how you fix that aspect. 

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

No one is disrespecting anyone.  When someone told Stevie Wonder they couldn't allow him to become a pilot it wasn't out of disrespect.

Read some of the comments of people here- there is clearly disrespect being shown. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,240]

Grown men debating this.  Shame on anyone engaging in this as if it deserves consideration. Fock off. 

[Strike 5,396]

12 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

 

Read some of the comments of people here- there is clearly disrespect being shown. 

Links?

[Sean Mooney 1,966]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Links?

Dude c'mon....you are just being obtuse...I'll tell you it ain't jerry and it ain't you. 

[Strike 5,396]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

Dude c'mon....you are just being obtuse...I'll tell you it ain't jerry and it ain't you. 

You know what, let's backtrack a little bit here.  Because when you said you wanted the alphabet people to not be disrespected, I thought you were referring to POLICY and not personal comments.  Sorry.  I have no opinion on people's personal comments other than they're entitled to those under the 1st amendment.  When you want to get back to discussing POLICY let me know. 

[Sean Mooney 1,966]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

You know what, let's backtrack a little bit here.  Because when you said you wanted the alphabet people to not be disrespected, I thought you were referring to POLICY and not personal comments.  Sorry.  I have no opinion on people's personal comments other than they're entitled to those under the 1st amendment.  When you want to get back to discussing POLICY let me know. 

I am discussing policy. The problem is policy gets dominated by one side demonizing the transgender population. I'm not saying the answer is open all doors to them, but I'm saying maybe we stop demonizing them and leave the bathroom thing open to them and keep the other doors shut. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,020]

I would like to have a personal conversation with Nancy Mace in her office behind closed doors.  We'll discuss policy, of course. 

[Voltaire 5,280]

49 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I am discussing policy. The problem is policy gets dominated by one side demonizing the transgender population. I'm not saying the answer is open all doors to them, but I'm saying maybe we stop demonizing them and leave the bathroom thing open to them and keep the other doors shut. 

Bathrooms are right out. Like Strike says, we gave them an inch and they took a mile. Not again. Someone else made a great observation that bathrooms are the gateway drug. 

And it's not just trannies; once you open the door to trannies in women's spaces, you open the door for every pervert out there. Trannies of all variations can use the men's room and leave the women alone. Problem solved.

[Sean Mooney 1,966]

10 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Bathrooms are right out. Like Strike says, we gave them an inch and they took a mile. Not again. Someone else made a great observation that bathrooms are the gateway drug. 

And it's not just trannies; once you open the door to trannies in women's spaces, you open the door for every pervert out there. Trannies of all variations can use the men's room and leave the women alone. Problem solved.

@jerryskids....see Jerry- this is the stuff I'm talking about.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,020]

11 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Bathrooms are right out. Like Strike says, we gave them an inch and they took a mile. Not again. Someone else made a great observation that bathrooms are the gateway drug. 

And it's not just trannies; once you open the door to trannies in women's spaces, you open the door for every pervert out there. Trannies of all variations can use the men's room and leave the women alone. Problem solved.

Bingo.  There is no more discussion on this.  We are not budging on the tranny issue or any of the other issues of perverts and freaks the Democrats have sided with.

The mentally ill need help, not catering to their every whim. We don't do this with ANY other mentally ill group of people.  What makes trannies so special?

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[jerryskids 6,711]

2 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

@jerryskids....see Jerry- this is the stuff I'm talking about.

Why, he has a valid point.  A major concern of opening women's spaces (including restrooms) up to trans folks is that it opens them up to abusers of all orientation.   

[RLLD 4,192]

10 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Why, he has a valid point.  A major concern of opening women's spaces (including restrooms) up to trans folks is that it opens them up to abusers of all orientation.   

Correct.  Women fought rather hard for their rights in the past, to have mentally ill men now attempt to undermine their rights is something I would hope we could all get behind.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,020]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Correct.  Women fought rather hard for their rights in the past, to have mentally ill men now attempt to undermine their rights is something I would hope we could all get behind.

It's absurd.  However, you can blame the feminists for this.  They and their supporters were on the forefront of this issue so, ultimately, women only have themselves to blame.