COVID leaked from Wuhan lab, social distancing 'not based on science,' select committee finds

[TimHauck 2,598]

9 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

I do.  But I disagree with:

1. Making vaccines a requirement.  A lot of good people were fired and suffered financial hardships as a result of this atrocious authoritarianism.

2. Making people wear masks.  Focking nonsense that was NEVER supported by science.

3. Prolonged social distancing.  We created a huge swath of mal-adjusted children.

4. Schools snd governmental offices were closed for WAY too long.  To this day my local Town Hall has never returned full-time.  A lot of very lazy people use it as an excuse to bilk the system. 

5. Politicization of the origin of the virus.  For some reason Liberals went off the deep end to protect China.  The lab leak theory was always the most likely. But because butt holes like Fauci had personal liability in this area, liberals and the mainstream media went out of their way to brand anyone who espoused the lab leak theory as crockpots and conspiracy theorists.  It was one of the ugly ugliest forms of group-think that I’ve ever seen in my lifetime.  China should be required to compensate the rest of the world for this disaster, and that was never even allowed to be discussed.

Appreciate you acknowledging the positive impact of the vaccines.

I do agree for the most part with 1-4. As far as masks there is some evidence they may have helped slightly, and really their biggest harm was in being required in schools.  I think the outrage against needing to wear them for 10 minutes at places like Lowe’s was way overblown though.  

For #5, Democrats get some blame for politicization of the origins but Republicans should as well.  The reason the story of “lab leak is a conspiracy!” started in the first place was from people calling it a bioweapon.  And you also had people like Trump calling it the China Virus which caused libs to get defensive and say that was xenophobic.  It’s also worth noting that at the beginning Trump was constantly praising China, and Biden was actually more critical.

[seafoam1 2,797]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Appreciate you acknowledging the positive impact of the vaccines.

I do agree for the most part with 1-4. As far as masks there is some evidence they may have helped slightly, and really their biggest harm was in being required in schools.  I think the outrage against needing to wear them for 10 minutes at places like Lowe’s was way overblown though.  

For #5, Democrats get some blame for politicization of the origins but Republicans should as well.  The reason the story of “lab leak is a conspiracy!” started in the first place was from people calling it a bioweapon.  And you also had people like Trump calling it the China Virus which caused libs to get defensive and say that was xenophobic.  It’s also worth noting that at the beginning Trump was constantly praising China, and Biden was actually more critical.

You are such an idiot. You know absolutely nothing.  

[Sean Mooney 1,935]

12 hours ago, jerryskids said:

and sucking the teet of the teachers unions.

 

 

Does this include school districts that started back in person at the beginning of the 20-21 school year? Or those that went back in like October? I mean when to go back to in person was different from district to district.

[Sean Mooney 1,935]

Another fun fact- there were ~8,000 military personnel who were discharged for refusing the COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine mandate was repealed in January 2023. From there I think only about 60-70 members who were discharged have rejoined the military.

So no- I do not think the remaining 7000+ should get full back pay and everything considering they've had at least a year to rejoin. If the backpay goes beyond the mandate being lifted that is bullsh!t

[seafoam1 2,797]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

Another fun fact- there were ~8,000 military personnel who were discharged for refusing the COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine mandate was repealed in January 2023. From there I think only about 60-70 members who were discharged have rejoined the military.

So no- I do not think the remaining 7000+ should get full back pay and everything considering they've had at least a year to rejoin. If the backpay goes beyond the mandate being lifted that is bullsh!t

[jerryskids 6,547]

2 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

 

Does this include school districts that started back in person at the beginning of the 20-21 school year? Or those that went back in like October? I mean when to go back to in person was different from district to district.

No.  I think it was reasonable to shut down initially, since we didn't know what we were dealing with.  We knew by the fall though that young people were not at significant risk.  Kudos to schools that went live then.

BTW, by this same argument, masks should have been eliminated in schools, as well as social distancing.  Facial communication and play time are critical to development.

[supermike80 1,794]

19 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

No.  I think it was reasonable to shut down initially, since we didn't know what we were dealing with.  We knew by the fall though that young people were not at significant risk.  Kudos to schools that went live then.

BTW, by this same argument, masks should have been eliminated in schools, as well as social distancing.  Facial communication and play time are critical to development.

I have generally taken a pause when it came to some of the reactions to this pandemic.   No one knew anything.   And people got scared.   So I get some of the responses, the shutting down etc etc.  But my God it was taken too far.   California arresting a kayaker who was alone in the ocean.   Banning the purchasing of outdoor furniture in Michigan.  Telling people to keep their groceries outside of their home for 3 days.    There was a lot of overreactions.   Mask---no wait DOUBLE MASK!!  Vaccines are 95% effective from getting the virus...Oh no wait, they aren't actually..but they will help make the virus less dangerous.  And on and on. The conflicting messages were frustrating.   It became pretty clear early that children weren't hugely impacted by this.   So shut down the schools?  Why?  Not to protect the kids, but to protect the grandmas.  The vaccinated, double masked grandmas.

[Sean Mooney 1,935]

17 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I have generally taken a pause when it came to some of the reactions to this pandemic.   No one knew anything.   And people got scared.   So I get some of the responses, the shutting down etc etc.  But my God it was taken too far.   California arresting a kayaker who was alone in the ocean.   Banning the purchasing of outdoor furniture in Michigan.  Telling people to keep their groceries outside of their home for 3 days.    There was a lot of overreactions.   Mask---no wait DOUBLE MASK!!  Vaccines are 95% effective from getting the virus...Oh no wait, they aren't actually..but they will help make the virus less dangerous.  And on and on. The conflicting messages were frustrating.   It became pretty clear early that children weren't hugely impacted by this.   So shut down the schools?  Why?  Not to protect the kids, but to protect the grandmas.  The vaccinated, double masked grandmas.

The silliest thing to me was the people wiping down groceries. That made no sense to me.

Yes there were overreactions but it was also a time when we had a lot of unknowns and a lot of changing information. Too often that changing information was portrayed as lying when it was not. And when it is portrayed as lying it draws away from real solutions and concerns and makes people everywhere dig in their heels which never solves anything. I found a lot of it humorous because I didn't stop gathering with people. We were just outside when we met. My parents came over every week for dinner and we just monitored how we were feeling throughout the week. I didn't really change anything about my life. 

I honestly don't remember but what was the timeline when it was officially determined that kids were much less susceptible to COVID 19? I feel like that's important. I also think for some school districts they were unclear about the liability concerns of COVID. I just know from our local school district that a big debate in the battle was is there anything that can come back on this considering this is a pandemic and there were not a lot of clear answers. 

[lickin_starfish 1,888]

How do viruses know to activate in January 21st? Those are some precise viruses. 

https://twitter.com/Patri0tContr0l/status/1864341348200927446

[Frozenbeernuts 2,112]

It's official, covid was a lab created virus. Fauci was the head of that project. Why did they lie and tell everyone it came from human to animal contact when it leaked from a lab where it was tampered with to be more harmful to humans?

The leak also wasn't accidental. They purposely let it leak out to create a pandemic. That's how panicked they were about Trump's first term. You think Trump is so bad that it's worth releasing a pandemic on the world and then lying about every aspect of it along the way?

[Maximum Overkill 1,738]

On 12/4/2024 at 10:05 AM, Sean Mooney said:

Yes there were overreactions but it was also a time when we had a lot of unknowns and a lot of changing information

And lies, and fear mongering. The experiment worked, people are gullible. The Government can shut down the World anytime they want because people are stupid. 

Facts. 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,112]

On 12/4/2024 at 10:05 AM, Sean Mooney said:

The silliest thing to me was the people wiping down groceries. That made no sense to me.

Yes there were overreactions but it was also a time when we had a lot of unknowns and a lot of changing information. Too often that changing information was portrayed as lying when it was not. And when it is portrayed as lying it draws away from real solutions and concerns and makes people everywhere dig in their heels which never solves anything. I found a lot of it humorous because I didn't stop gathering with people. We were just outside when we met. My parents came over every week for dinner and we just monitored how we were feeling throughout the week. I didn't really change anything about my life. 

I honestly don't remember but what was the timeline when it was officially determined that kids were much less susceptible to COVID 19? I feel like that's important. I also think for some school districts they were unclear about the liability concerns of COVID. I just know from our local school district that a big debate in the battle was is there anything that can come back on this considering this is a pandemic and there were not a lot of clear answers. 

Then how did so many people know everyone was overreacting? I wasn't one of those people, but after I saw what lengths so many were willing to go to, it woke me up. Covid turned me from a normal liberal into a Trump supporter.

Covid was actually the worst thing the deep state could have done. It woke up and hardened a lot of people.

[TimHauck 2,598]

8 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

It's official, covid was a lab created virus.

No it’s not, sheep.

[Maximum Overkill 1,738]

Just now, TimHauck said:

No it’s not, sheep.

And it's not from China?  

[TimHauck 2,598]

9 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

And it's not from China?  

It is.  But even the WH website (which is just making a guess based on existing information, not “confirmed”) says lab “leak,” not “created.”  Very different.

[Maximum Overkill 1,738]

31 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

It is.  But even the WH website (which is just making a guess based on existing information, not “confirmed”) says lab “leak,” not “created.”  Very different.

So it is indeed the China Virus. Thank you for clearing that up so many years later. 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,112]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

No it’s not, sheep.

Oh Timmy, if only you knew.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

The left going after Joe Rogan for taking doctor prescribed ivermectin came back to bite them right in the ass. lol. 

[Mike Honcho 5,082]

So you guys are supporting a theory that China manufactured and the purposely leaked Covid in it's own country to take down Donald Trump.   Okay   

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

I don’t think they purposely leaked it.  But their handling of it after it was leaked is suspicious.  Chinas history of putting their people in harms way to achieve a political goal is without question. Never let a crises go to waste.  

[Baker Boy 1,687]

On 3/13/2020 at 1:17 PM, Baker Boy said:

This is all so stupid! Isolate the old and the weak and let everyone else live their normal lives. Their chance of dying from this is very small. Most of the people that need protection are the least productive members of our society so life goes on as normal. We don’t have to stop the world. 

 

On 12/4/2024 at 9:05 AM, Sean Mooney said:

 

Yes there were overreactions but it was also a time when we had a lot of unknowns and a lot of changing information.
 

 

BS! Many of us knew exactly what was going on. Just think how different the world would be today if we had just taken my advice.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,906]

The teachers union  purposely kept schools closed to affect the election. 

[Strike 5,182]

On 12/4/2024 at 9:05 AM, Sean Mooney said:

The silliest thing to me was the people wiping down groceries. That made no sense to me.

Yes there were overreactions but it was also a time when we had a lot of unknowns and a lot of changing information. Too often that changing information was portrayed as lying when it was not. And when it is portrayed as lying it draws away from real solutions and concerns and makes people everywhere dig in their heels which never solves anything. I found a lot of it humorous because I didn't stop gathering with people. We were just outside when we met. My parents came over every week for dinner and we just monitored how we were feeling throughout the week. I didn't really change anything about my life. 

I honestly don't remember but what was the timeline when it was officially determined that kids were much less susceptible to COVID 19? I feel like that's important. I also think for some school districts they were unclear about the liability concerns of COVID. I just know from our local school district that a big debate in the battle was is there anything that can come back on this considering this is a pandemic and there were not a lot of clear answers. 

 

There were absolutely lies.  Fauci admitted the 6 foot rule was created out of thin air.  But it became policy.  Is it your assertion that the 6 foot rule was not a lie when we were told it was based on science? 

[TimHauck 2,598]

36 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Oh Timmy, if only you knew.

That’s not even what the source you’re getting it from says

[squistion 1,942]

26 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

So you guys are supporting a theory that China manufactured and the purposely leaked Covid in it's own country to take down Donald Trump.   Okay   

You can't make this stuff up. 

[Strike 5,182]

23 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

So you guys are supporting a theory that China manufactured and the purposely leaked Covid in it's own country to take down Donald Trump.   Okay   

I don't know anyone who believes that.  I, personally, believe it was an ACCIDENTAL lab leak.  But it was from research that wasn't being properly done.  The lab was not up to the standards for this type of research.  But because of the LIES about the origin the world didn't force China to come clean which resulted in two things:

1)  We haven't done squat to ensure this doesn't happen again.  Bookmark this post for when something eerily similar happens again.  Because I will absolutely be all "I told you so" to anyone here still alive.

2)  China has not been held accountable.  And Fauci and others who helped fund it.  And they should be.  Because there is no INCENTIVE for them NOT to do it again unless there is some type of accountability.

 

[TimHauck 2,598]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

 

There were absolutely lies.  Fauci admitted the 6 foot rule was created out of thin air.  But it became policy.  Is it your assertion that the 6 foot rule was not a lie when we were told it was based on science? 

It was “based on” science.  They just didn’t know if it was applicable to Covid.

[Strike 5,182]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

It was “based on” science.  They just didn’t know if it was applicable to Covid.

Nope:

 

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The CDC would keep its six-foot social distance recommendation in place until August 2022, with some modifications as Americans got vaccinated against the virus and officials pushed to reopen schools. Now, congressional investigators are set Monday to press Anthony S. Fauci, the infectious-disease doctor who served as a key coronavirus adviser during the Trump and Biden administrations, on why the CDC’s recommendation was allowed to shape so much of American life for so long, particularly given Fauci and other officials’ recent acknowledgments that there was little science behind the six-foot rule after all.

“It sort of just appeared, that six feet is going to be the distance,” Fauci testified to Congress in a January closed-door hearing, according to a transcribed interview released Friday. Fauci characterized the recommendation as “an empiric decision that wasn’t based on data.”

Francis S. Collins, former director of the National Institutes of Health, also privately testified to Congress in January that he was not aware of evidence behind the social distancing recommendation, according to a transcript released in May.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2024/06/02/six-foot-rule-covid-no-science/

[TimHauck 2,598]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

I don't know anyone who believes that.  

You don’t know @Frozenbeernuts?
 

[Strike 5,182]

8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

You don’t know @Frozenbeernuts?
 

No,, I don't.   I see that you're quitting on your assertion that the 6 foot rule was based on science.  Smart move. 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,112]

40 minutes ago, Strike said:

I don't know anyone who believes that.  I, personally, believe it was an ACCIDENTAL lab leak.  But it was from research that wasn't being properly done.  The lab was not up to the standards for this type of research.  But because of the LIES about the origin the world didn't force China to come clean which resulted in two things:

1)  We haven't done squat to ensure this doesn't happen again.  Bookmark this post for when something eerily similar happens again.  Because I will absolutely be all "I told you so" to anyone here still alive.

2)  China has not been held accountable.  And Fauci and others who helped fund it.  And they should be.  Because there is no INCENTIVE for them NOT to do it again unless there is some type of accountability.

 

At the very least covid was engineered to be more contagious. Fauci was the head of the weaponization. This wasn't just China. The US was involved too. Which is what makes it extra suspicious. China and the US working together in a bio lab.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,112]

19 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

You don’t know @Frozenbeernuts?
 

Well look at that, right before covid, a pandemic simulation of a coronavirus outbreak. What an effing coincidence

https://hub.jhu.edu/2019/11/06/event-201-health-security/

[Frozenbeernuts 2,112]

I don't expect irrefutable evidence to come out supporting the pandemic being released on purpose, but once you see how many politicians are prosecuted for treason and other offenses, you will understand that it's at least plausible they would do something like release a pandemic to stop Trump.

[The Real timschochet 6,390]

56 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

I don't expect irrefutable evidence to come out supporting the pandemic being released on purpose, but once you see how many politicians are prosecuted for treason and other offenses, you will understand that it's at least plausible they would do something like release a pandemic to stop Trump.

Only to you. And let’s just say that your acceptance of “plausibility” is significantly larger than most other people. Actually “gullibility” is probably more apt. 

[iam90sbaby 2,472]

I wonder how many booster shots Tim has gotten? That dude is further down the spectrum than anyone I’ve ever seen online 

[TimHauck 2,598]

3 hours ago, Strike said:

Nope:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2024/06/02/six-foot-rule-covid-no-science/

He stated that it came from the CDC’s recommendation, but he didn’t know where exactly they got the number from.  That doesn’t mean THEY made it up based on nothing.

[TimHauck 2,598]

3 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Well look at that, right before covid, a pandemic simulation of a coronavirus outbreak. What an effing coincidence

https://hub.jhu.edu/2019/11/06/event-201-health-security/

Seek help

[iam90sbaby 2,472]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Seek help

Wait, where do you think COVID came from?

[TimHauck 2,598]

3 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Wait, where do you think COVID came from?

Accidental lab leak most likely.  Not intentional 

[iam90sbaby 2,472]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Accidental lab leak most likely.  Not intentional 

Okay, same. But could’ve been intentional right?