Yup, she should be stoned to death.

[wiffleball 4,790]

Gotta be Tawana Brawley's kid.

 

 

[jbycho 754]

6 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re right, I don’t personally have data that shows what percentage of  prominent cases of rape and sexual abuse are falsely charged. 

Then shut the fock up. 

[frank 2,305]

 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

38 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Then shut the fock up. 

Exactly.  Bring it up when there’s a terrible thread about a woman getting raped and not believed.  He’s so focking dismissive of any legitimate injustice that is done to a white male.  It’s nauseating.  Actually, you know what it is?  It’s hate. Deep down he despises everything those white Duke kids represent.  He can’t even hide it.

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

4 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

Exactly.  Bring it up when there’s a terrible thread about a woman getting raped and not believed.  He’s so focking dismissive of any legitimate injustice that is done to a white male.  It’s nauseating.  Actually, you know what it is?  It’s hate. Deep down he despises everything those white Duke kids represent.  He can’t even hide it.

You couldn’t be more wrong about this. 

[jbycho 754]

7 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

Exactly.  Bring it up when there’s a terrible thread about a woman getting raped and not believed.  He’s so focking dismissive of any legitimate injustice that is done to a white male.  It’s nauseating.  Actually, you know what it is?  It’s hate. Deep down he despises everything those white Duke kids represent.  He can’t even hide it.

Correct. 

[TimHauck 2,866]

“In April 2007, the state’s then-Attorney General Roy Cooper, who is now governor, reviewed the case and exonerated the three men, declaring that the charges never should have been brought against them.“

 

Dems need this guy to run for President in 2028

[TimHauck 2,866]

13 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re right, I don’t personally have data that shows what percentage of  prominent cases of rape and sexual abuse are falsely charged. I doubt such data exists. But tell me do you accept Jon’s assertion that it’s over 50%? Because personally I find that an absurd notion. What do you think? 

Interesting that @jerryskids called out your “completely made up number,” but not @jonmx’s.

Looks like the real number is somewhere between 2-11%: https://www.nealdavislaw.com/blog/sex-crimes/false-rape-claim-statistics/

 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

4 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Interesting that @jerryskids called out your “completely made up number,” but not @jonmx’s.

Looks like the real number is somewhere between 2-11%: https://www.nealdavislaw.com/blog/sex-crimes/false-rape-claim-statistics/

 

Hey look, it’s Wrong-Take Tim!  Yo, dummy - Jon and Tim are disagreeing about the percentage of prominent rape accusations.  Your data is for all rape accusations.

[jonmx 2,429]

44 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Hey look, it’s Wrong-Take Tim!  Yo, dummy - Jon and Tim are disagreeing about the percentage of prominent rape accusations.  Your data is for all rape accusations.

 

That is how lefties work.  90 percent of their 'fact-checking' is to make a strawman and then ignore the actual argument.  It is the prominent politically-motivated stuff the media talks about that are mostly BS.   Using his data that between 2-11 percent of rape cases are false, that means out of the roughly 130,000 reported cases that gives us around 2600 to 14,000 falsely reported rape cases each year.  That is definitely not 'rare'.   The rape accusations which become most prominent are those which a lot of money or a lot of political ramifications are at stake which drives up the motivation to lie about them through the roof.  

[TimHauck 2,866]

48 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Hey look, it’s Wrong-Take Tim!  Yo, dummy - Jon and Tim are disagreeing about the percentage of prominent rape accusations.  Your data is for all rape accusations.

Looks like RealTim’s initial claim was not specific to “prominent” rape allegations, @jonmx was the one that moved the goalposts.   @jonmx, do you believe the 2-11% number as a whole?  If so, I think minimum 89% would still qualify as “vast majority”

[TimHauck 2,866]

22 minutes ago, jonmx said:

 

Using his data that between 2-11 percent of rape cases are false, that means out of the roughly 130,000 reported cases that gives us around 2600 to 14,000 falsely reported rape cases each year.  That is definitely not 'rare'.   

So not “millions” like you claimed earlier?  Or are you claiming here millions of actual rapes are swept under the rug? 

20 hours ago, jonmx said:

What is absurd and extremely damaging is your assertion that these are rare.  These are common place and are false almost as much as they are true.  Unfortunately millions of cases are swept under the rug, but the cases brought to the public are usually the ones politically motstivated or motivated by personal gain.  

 

[jonmx 2,429]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Looks like RealTim’s initial claim was not specific to “prominent” rape allegations, @jonmx was the one that moved the goalposts.   @jonmx, do you believe the 2-11% number as a whole?

 

Move the goal posts???  Not one bit.  First off Tim's claim were false allegations are extremely rare, even by your stats that is not true.  My assertion is that when there is lots of money or politics involved, those 2-11 percent stats for the typical rape case skyrocket to a much higher number because the reward/motivation is much higher.  So the more widely discussed cases will have a much higher level of false allegations than the typical case.  

[jonmx 2,429]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So not “millions” like you claimed earlier?  Or are you claiming here millions of actual rapes are swept under the rug? 

 

There are millions of unreported cases.  There are hundred thousand of reported cases.  There are a dozen of prominent cases.  HTH.  

[TimHauck 2,866]

6 minutes ago, jonmx said:

There are millions of unreported cases.  There are hundred thousand of reported cases.  There are a dozen of prominent cases.  HTH.  

Your previous post was worded poorly.   You were talking about false allegations but then apparently switched to legitimate allegations without clarifying that.  HTH

[TimHauck 2,866]

20 hours ago, MDC said:

Not disagreeing with what you said and I agree, she victimized both the Duke lacrosse players and women who were victims of abuse and are less likely to be believed because of her. I still think it’s a major stretch to say she personally ruined lives.

What about her boyfriend that she murdered?

[jonmx 2,429]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Your previous post was worded poorly.   You were talking about false allegations but then apparently switched to legitimate allegations without clarifying that.  HTH

My statements were precisely worded.  I add words which modify the meaning which you ignore.  

[MDC 7,408]

Just now, TimHauck said:

What about her boyfriend that she murdered?

Obviously. We were talking about the lacrosse case. 

[TimHauck 2,866]

18 minutes ago, jonmx said:

 

Move the goal posts???  Not one bit.  First off Tim's claim were false allegations are extremely rare, even by your stats that is not true.  My assertion is that when there is lots of money or politics involved, those 2-11 percent stats for the typical rape case skyrocket to a much higher number because the reward/motivation is much higher.  So the more widely discussed cases will have a much higher level of false allegations than the typical case.  

I think 2-11% would still qualify as “rare,” but I guess that’s a matter of opinion.

I’d agree that the percentage goes up for “prominent” cases, but I don’t really believe it’s 50%.  I’d guess about 30%.

[Strike 5,538]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

What about her boyfriend that she murdered?

He's clearly better off.

[jonmx 2,429]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I think 2-11% would still qualify as “rare,” but I guess that’s a matter of opinion.

I’d agree that the percentage goes up for “prominent” cases, but I don’t really believe it’s 50%.  I’d guess about 30%.

Then we basically agree.  In highly prominent cases it is definitely not rare.   Tim has been making this arguement for years.  I had this same debate with Tim during the Kavanaugh hearings when after investigation the FBI could find no collaborating facts to support her rape claim.   Tim's lone argument to believe her was women have no reason to lie.   A year after the case, Ford's own lawyer admitted she only raised the claim because she wanted to save Roe v Wade.  

 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Looks like RealTim’s initial claim was not specific to “prominent” rape allegations, @jonmx was the one that moved the goalposts.   @jonmx, do you believe the 2-11% number as a whole?  If so, I think minimum 89% would still qualify as “vast majority”

Tim moved the focking goalposts, numnuts.  This thread was about the specific Duke rape case.  God you are an insufferable idiot.

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

5 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Then we basically agree.  In highly prominent cases it is definitely not rare.   Tim has been making this arguement for years.  I had this same debate with Tim during the Kavanaugh hearings when after investigation the FBI could find no collaborating facts to support her rape claim.   Tim's lone argument to believe her was women have no reason to lie.   A year after the case, Ford's own lawyer admitted she only raised the claim because she wanted to save Roe v Wade.  

 

I believed Ford (and still do) because I found her testimony before Congress believable. Not because I “believe all women”. Certainly not to save Roe; that’s just stupid. If Kavanaugh had been rejected Trump would have simply named another conservative justice. There were and are plenty to choose from. 

I continue to reject your claim that over 50% of prominent rape and sexual abuse claims are false. I reject @TimHauck’s guess that it’s 30%. How many false claims can you even name besides the one we’re discussing? Go ahead, name a few. I honestly can’t think of any but maybe I’m missing a couple.,Maybe Kobe Bryant and maybe Ben Roesthlisberger but we’ll never know for sure. Mike Tyson I believe was probably false but again I can’t be sure because the victim never retracted her claim. This Duke Lacrosse lady is the only one ever to retract that I can think of. 

 

[lickin_starfish 1,936]

I have an irrational feeling that I should forgive this lady for what she has done. I hope she can turn her life around.

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

18 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Tim moved the focking goalposts, numnuts.  This thread was about the specific Duke rape case.  God you are an insufferable idiot.

I never moved any goalposts. I wrote that part of the reason that what this woman did was terrible, beyond the damage she did to the Duke players, is that less women will be believed now and it may make some of these women more scared to come forward. You responded by calling me a POS and Jon responded with the absurd claim that over 50% of prominent rape accusations are false. You responded further by claiming that I hate the Duke players and this forms the motivation for my arguments. Your comments are hostile and rather mystifying to me. 

I believe that most women tell the truth in these situations including prominent ones. 

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

6 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

I have an irrational feeling that I should forgive this lady for what she has done. I hope she can turn her life around.

I think what she did is unforgivable. 

[Gepetto 1,368]

On 12/14/2024 at 12:43 AM, weepaws said:

That’s bs.  She should be jailed. Then forgiven, after she accepts Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior.  Indeed 

2 Samuel 22:33.  God is my strength and power, and He make my way perfect.   Amen Thanks 

I think she’s already in prison for killing her boyfriend and she did find Jesus/Gid and is now being honest.

[jonmx 2,429]

19 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

How many false claims can you even name besides the one we’re discussing? 
 

1. Whether Blesey Ford actually believed it or not, it was absolutely a false claim based upon all the people she claimed was there including her friend denied it.

2.. Woman who falsely accused DPS trooper of rape won't face additional charges

3.  Long Island woman who made false rape claims denied probation reduction

4..University of Virginia Rape Case Shows Impacts of False Allegations

5..Drake sues woman who allegedly made false pregnancy, rape claims

6.  Fullerton bar suing woman who claims she was drugged at bar and later raped

7. Teen Who Made False Rape Claims Now Faces Felony Charges

8..Five high school 'mean girls' targeted boy with false accusations of sexual assault

9..Eleanor Williams jailed over false rape claims

 

The allegations against Russel Brand were politically-driven BS are exaggerations at best.

Stormy Daniels ever-changing story is now wrapped in language which insinuates Trump raped her are BS.  ABC just paid Trump $16 million for saying Trump raped E. Jean Carroll.  

---‐------

About Half of Rape Allegations are False, Research Shows

False allegations of rape are believed to be more common than many persons realize. These are the findings of four research studies:

• A review of 556 rape accusations filed against Air Force personnel found that 27% of women later recanted. Then 25 criteria were developed based on the profile of those women, and then submitted to three independent reviewers to review the remaining cases. If all three reviewers deemed the allegation was false, it was categorized as false. As a result, 60% of all allegations were found to be false.¹ Of those women who later recanted, many didn't admit the allegation was false until just before taking a polygraph test. Others admitted it was false only after having failed a polygraph test.²
• In a nine-year study of 109 rapes reported to the police in a Midwestern city, Purdue sociologist Eugene J. Kanin reported that in 41% of the cases the complainants eventually admitted that no rape had occurred.³
• In a follow-up study of rape claims filed over a three-year period at two large Midwestern universities, Kanin found that of 64 rape cases, 50% turned out to be false.4 Among the false charges, 53% of the women admitted they filed the false claim as an alibi.5

According to a 1996 Department of Justice report, “in about 25% of the sexual assault cases referred to the FBI, ... the primary suspect has been excluded by forensic DNA testing.6 It should be noted that rape involves a forcible and non-consensual act, and a DNA match alone does not prove that rape occurred. So the 25% figure substantially underestimates the true extent of false allegations.
And according to former Colorado prosecutor Craig Silverman, “For 16 years, I was a kick-ass prosecutor who made most of my reputation vigorously prosecuting rapists. ... I was amazed to see all the false rape allegations that were made to the Denver Police Department. ... A command officer in the Denver Police sex assaults unit recently told me he placed the false rape numbers at approximately 45%.”7

According to the FBI, about 95,000 forcible rapes were reported in 2004.8 Based on the statements and studies cited above, some 47,000 American men are falsely accused of rape each year. These men are disproportionately African-American.9

Some of these men are wrongly convicted, sentenced, and imprisoned. Even if there is no conviction, a false allegation of rape can “emotionally, socially, and economically destroy a person.”10

 

 

 

Recent national survey conducted by YouGov reveals 8% of Americans report being falsely accused of domestic violence, child abuse, sexual assault,

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

1 minute ago, jonmx said:

1. Whether Blesey Ford actually believed it or not, it was absolutely a false claim based upon all the people she claimed was there including her friend denied it.

2.. Woman who falsely accused DPS trooper of rape won't face additional charges

3.  Long Island woman who made false rape claims denied probation reduction

4..University of Virginia Rape Case Shows Impacts of False Allegations

5..Drake sues woman who allegedly made false pregnancy, rape claims

6.  Fullerton bar suing woman who claims she was drugged at bar and later raped

7. Teen Who Made False Rape Claims Now Faces Felony Charges

8..Five high school 'mean girls' targeted boy with false accusations of sexual assault

9..Eleanor Williams jailed over false rape claims

 

The allegations against Russel Brand were politically-driven BS are exaggerations at best.

Stormy Daniels ever-changing story is now wrapped in language which insinuates Trump raped her are BS.  ABC just paid Trump $16 million for saying Trump raped E. Jean Carroll.  

---‐------

About Half of Rape Allegations are False, Research Shows

False allegations of rape are believed to be more common than many persons realize. These are the findings of four research studies:

• A review of 556 rape accusations filed against Air Force personnel found that 27% of women later recanted. Then 25 criteria were developed based on the profile of those women, and then submitted to three independent reviewers to review the remaining cases. If all three reviewers deemed the allegation was false, it was categorized as false. As a result, 60% of all allegations were found to be false.¹ Of those women who later recanted, many didn't admit the allegation was false until just before taking a polygraph test. Others admitted it was false only after having failed a polygraph test.²
• In a nine-year study of 109 rapes reported to the police in a Midwestern city, Purdue sociologist Eugene J. Kanin reported that in 41% of the cases the complainants eventually admitted that no rape had occurred.³
• In a follow-up study of rape claims filed over a three-year period at two large Midwestern universities, Kanin found that of 64 rape cases, 50% turned out to be false.4 Among the false charges, 53% of the women admitted they filed the false claim as an alibi.5

According to a 1996 Department of Justice report, “in about 25% of the sexual assault cases referred to the FBI, ... the primary suspect has been excluded by forensic DNA testing.6 It should be noted that rape involves a forcible and non-consensual act, and a DNA match alone does not prove that rape occurred. So the 25% figure substantially underestimates the true extent of false allegations.
And according to former Colorado prosecutor Craig Silverman, “For 16 years, I was a kick-ass prosecutor who made most of my reputation vigorously prosecuting rapists. ... I was amazed to see all the false rape allegations that were made to the Denver Police Department. ... A command officer in the Denver Police sex assaults unit recently told me he placed the false rape numbers at approximately 45%.”7

According to the FBI, about 95,000 forcible rapes were reported in 2004.8 Based on the statements and studies cited above, some 47,000 American men are falsely accused of rape each year. These men are disproportionately African-American.9

Some of these men are wrongly convicted, sentenced, and imprisoned. Even if there is no conviction, a false allegation of rape can “emotionally, socially, and economically destroy a person.”10

 

 

 

Recent national survey conducted by YouGov reveals 8% of Americans report being falsely accused of domestic violence, child abuse, sexual assault,

1. Most of the cases you named I haven’t heard of, which doesn’t exactly make them prominent. More like anecdotes. 
 

2. Your new 50% claim  of ALL cases comes from a source I’ve never heard of and which I have to question based on previous studies we have seen on this subject. 

4. Your last link of 8% seems to contradict your earlier claims. 
 

I don’t know what further to tell you. If you truly believe that half of all cases, or even prominent cases, are falsely charged, I think you’re standing on some treacherous ground. 

[jonmx 2,429]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

 

I don’t know what further to tell you.

Don't tell me anything.  You are a buffoon who are stuck in this narrative that believes whatever the propaganda establishment media tells you.  

[jonmx 2,429]

 

And the above proves, it is a fuking waste of time to engage with those bootlicking brainwashed idiots when they ask for links.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

15 minutes ago, jonmx said:

1. Whether Blesey Ford actually believed it or not, it was absolutely a false claim based upon all the people she claimed was there including her friend denied it.

2.. Woman who falsely accused DPS trooper of rape won't face additional charges

3.  Long Island woman who made false rape claims denied probation reduction

4..University of Virginia Rape Case Shows Impacts of False Allegations

5..Drake sues woman who allegedly made false pregnancy, rape claims

6.  Fullerton bar suing woman who claims she was drugged at bar and later raped

7. Teen Who Made False Rape Claims Now Faces Felony Charges

8..Five high school 'mean girls' targeted boy with false accusations of sexual assault

9..Eleanor Williams jailed over false rape claims

 

The allegations against Russel Brand were politically-driven BS are exaggerations at best.

Stormy Daniels ever-changing story is now wrapped in language which insinuates Trump raped her are BS.  ABC just paid Trump $16 million for saying Trump raped E. Jean Carroll.  

---‐------

About Half of Rape Allegations are False, Research Shows

False allegations of rape are believed to be more common than many persons realize. These are the findings of four research studies:

• A review of 556 rape accusations filed against Air Force personnel found that 27% of women later recanted. Then 25 criteria were developed based on the profile of those women, and then submitted to three independent reviewers to review the remaining cases. If all three reviewers deemed the allegation was false, it was categorized as false. As a result, 60% of all allegations were found to be false.¹ Of those women who later recanted, many didn't admit the allegation was false until just before taking a polygraph test. Others admitted it was false only after having failed a polygraph test.²
• In a nine-year study of 109 rapes reported to the police in a Midwestern city, Purdue sociologist Eugene J. Kanin reported that in 41% of the cases the complainants eventually admitted that no rape had occurred.³
• In a follow-up study of rape claims filed over a three-year period at two large Midwestern universities, Kanin found that of 64 rape cases, 50% turned out to be false.4 Among the false charges, 53% of the women admitted they filed the false claim as an alibi.5

According to a 1996 Department of Justice report, “in about 25% of the sexual assault cases referred to the FBI, ... the primary suspect has been excluded by forensic DNA testing.6 It should be noted that rape involves a forcible and non-consensual act, and a DNA match alone does not prove that rape occurred. So the 25% figure substantially underestimates the true extent of false allegations.
And according to former Colorado prosecutor Craig Silverman, “For 16 years, I was a kick-ass prosecutor who made most of my reputation vigorously prosecuting rapists. ... I was amazed to see all the false rape allegations that were made to the Denver Police Department. ... A command officer in the Denver Police sex assaults unit recently told me he placed the false rape numbers at approximately 45%.”7

According to the FBI, about 95,000 forcible rapes were reported in 2004.8 Based on the statements and studies cited above, some 47,000 American men are falsely accused of rape each year. These men are disproportionately African-American.9

Some of these men are wrongly convicted, sentenced, and imprisoned. Even if there is no conviction, a false allegation of rape can “emotionally, socially, and economically destroy a person.”10

 

 

 

Recent national survey conducted by YouGov reveals 8% of Americans report being falsely accused of domestic violence, child abuse, sexual assault,

1/2 of them are false? I really doubt that. Seems like you’re just trying to excuse rape

[seafoam1 3,017]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

1/2 of them are false? I really doubt that. Seems like you’re just trying to excuse rape

What facts do you have?

Focking idiot. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

Man, the Leftists in here are some atrocious human beings.  Just awful, awful people.  This story should generate nothing but unanimous condemnation toward the woman and sympathy for the victims.  Instead, we get MDC arguing semantics about whether their lives were really ruined or not, Tim focusing on women being the victims, and Wrong-Take TimHauk arguing senseless, stupid points.  They literally can’t help themselves from being argumentative, revolting pigs.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I never moved any goalposts. I wrote that part of the reason that what this woman did was terrible, beyond the damage she did to the Duke players, is that less women will be believed now and it may make some of these women more scared to come forward. You responded by calling me a POS and Jon responded with the absurd claim that over 50% of prominent rape accusations are false. You responded further by claiming that I hate the Duke players and this forms the motivation for my arguments. Your comments are hostile and rather mystifying to me. 

I believe that most women tell the truth in these situations including prominent ones. 

No, you didn’t.  Here is exactly what you said:

The vast majority of those women who accuse men of rape are telling the truth. This woman is a very rare example of the opposite. Unfortunately she will be used by sexists everywhere, as well as racists.

It’s a horrible response to this story.  You not only expressed no concern for the true victims, you anlso insinuated that those enraged by the story are sexist and racist.  Typically passive aggressive bullshitt from you.

[jonmx 2,429]

8 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

No, you didn’t.  Here is exactly what you said:

The vast majority of those women who accuse men of rape are telling the truth. This woman is a very rare example of the opposite. Unfortunately she will be used by sexists everywhere, as well as racists.

It’s a horrible response to this story.  You not only expressed no concern for the true victims, you anlso insinuated that those enraged by the story are sexist and racist.  Typically passive aggressive bullshitt from you.

I sincerely hope this line of stupidity ends up in the trashbin of history.   This retarded woke elitist idealogy has been extremly divisive and harmful and it the true source of the majority of hate in this country.  

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

6 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

No, you didn’t.  Here is exactly what you said:

The vast majority of those women who accuse men of rape are telling the truth. This woman is a very rare example of the opposite. Unfortunately she will be used by sexists everywhere, as well as racists.

It’s a horrible response to this story.  You not only expressed no concern for the true victims, you anlso insinuated that those enraged by the story are sexist and racist.  Typically passive aggressive bullshitt from you.

Well I do believe that and I don’t see any real difference between what I wrote and my description of it. 

But of course I feel terrible for the Duke victims. I don’t know why you would think otherwise. And no I never wrote that those enraged by this story are racist and sexist; I wrote that racists and sexists will use this story for their own purposes. Which is IMO true and totally different. 

I honestly believe your anger towards me is misplaced here. Obviously we disagree on certain aspects of this situation, as we appear to do on many subjects, but no ill will is intended. If anything I share your rage against this woman although our reasons may differ a little. 

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

2 minutes ago, jonmx said:

I sincerely hope this line of stupidity ends up in the trashbin of history.   This retarded woke elitist idealogy has been extremly divisive and harmful and it the true source of the majority of hate in this country.  

And as for you Jon once again I think you’re totally totally wrong but no ill will intended. I’m leaving for Europe so I won’t be posting very much (maybe the next few days but that’s it for the rest of the year.) So have a good holiday and know that if my Steelers don’t make it all the way (possible but doubtful) I really am rooting for the Lions. Been way too long for them. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

1 hour ago, Patented Phil said:

Man, the Leftists in here are some atrocious human beings.  Just awful, awful people.  This story should generate nothing but unanimous condemnation toward the woman and sympathy for the victims.  Instead, we get MDC arguing semantics about whether their lives were really ruined or not, Tim focusing on women being the victims, and Wrong-Take TimHauk arguing senseless, stupid points.  They literally can’t help themselves from being argumentative, revolting pigs.

Pretty sure everyone believes the woman is bad. Idiot

[Patented Phil 1,469]

23 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Pretty sure everyone believes the woman is bad. Idiot

Coming from the guy who accused Jon of excusing rape.  Fockwad.