Elon musk shuts down govt

[The Real timschochet 6,430]

23 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I thought Tim would chime in since he apparently knows enough about this subject to question another poster on their subject knowledge.  Me, I know basically nothing about this.  Maybe we have a local who has followed the developments that could chime in.

I’ve read a little about this but I can’t tell you about the cost of 8 billion. I have no idea. Sounds like a lot of waste and corruption if I had to guess. 
 

My point was that it really is a worthy project despite the inevitable boondoggle aspects. 

[The Real timschochet 6,430]

43 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

He is Trump's puppet.

In the immortal words of Willy Wonka: strike that, reverse it. 

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Initial reports about the new deal suggests it's fairly clean and removes the debt limit for two years.

[The Phantom's Phantom 253]

8 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

There's more we can do than just "vote them out." Not give them raises is just one. 

Elon isn't stopping all spending or shutting down the govt. If our govt is SO WEAK that they rely on a couple of Tweets, then we are more focked than we think we are. "Oh noe! Elon tweeted that the bill sucks, we should all vote no."

Mmm. Kay. Same with Trump; he isn't even voting on that bill. If his party is voting it down because they are SCARED of him, then something IS wrong and maybe they should be gone. 

I really wish people would stop thinking guys like Elon have power; it's the weakness of the ones that listen to him. They could have just as easily said, "Fock that guy, I am pushing this through." 

They haven't had a raise in 15 years.  The raise is meaningless.

Elon is calling the shots now.  He has Trump's ear, he is the president, republicans do whatever he says, you get it?

And yes, something is wrong.  With the party bending the knee to their supreme leader, you bet that is focked up. Not everyone, some still have a spine, like the pirate in texas, but they are mostly shills now.

I too wish that the republicans would have spines but they don't as is evident.  We saw this with immigration bill, and now with this bill.  Trump and Elon are bullies, they are mob bosses.  Anyone who doesn't see it doesn't know how the world works.

[The Real timschochet 6,430]

5 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

 

And as I wrote earlier, this will end in a complete surrender by Trump and the Republicans. It may take a day or two, or it may go on for a few months. 

Wow. Apparently it didn’t even take that long. 

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

In the immortal words of Willy Wonka: strike that, reverse it. 

Yes, thank you.

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3 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

They haven't had a raise in 15 years.  The raise is meaningless.

Elon is calling the shots now.  He has Trump's ear, he is the president, republicans do whatever he says, you get it?

And yes, something is wrong.  With the party bending the knee to their supreme leader, you bet that is focked up. Not everyone, some still have a spine, like the pirate in texas, but they are mostly shills now.

I too wish that the republicans would have spines but they don't as is evident.  We saw this with immigration bill, and now with this bill.  Trump and Elon are bullies, they are mob bosses.  Anyone who doesn't see it doesn't know how the world works.

Relax.  Elon isn't calling any shots.

[The Real timschochet 6,430]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

Initial reports about the new deal suggests it's fairly clean and removes the debt limit for two years.

What does “fairly clean” mean in this context? Sure sounds like all the spending you’ve been complaining about is going to happen. Is that the “clean” part? 
 

Oh and now we’re supposed to pretend that raising the debt ceiling is a conservative victory? Lololol

[The Real timschochet 6,430]

TRUMP: I raise you $100! 

DEMOCRATS: We’ll match that and raise you $100. 

TRUMP: I raise you $10,000! 

DEMOCRATS: OK. Call. 

TRUMP: I fold! 
 

Alpha gambler! 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,941]

Trump having Musk in his ear is far superior to Obama pulling Bidens strings. 

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Trump is scared to death, those first two attempts were warning shots. They told him, we will let you win, but you do it are way, trump is scared to die and face God, he’s a fake president, husband, dad, and believer on Jesus.  He’s taking this country down, and a lot of you voted for it   Shame. Don’t put your trust in man, put your trust in Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior    

1 Chronicles 16:8-9.  Give thanks unto the Lord, Call upon His name, make known His deeds among the people. 

Sing unto Him , sing psalms unto Him, talk you of all His wonderful works.  Indeed Amen Thanks 

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3 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

That's perfect, as the crow flies I'm 7.3 miles from work! 

Darn!  I'm 13.5... can't get home unless I can charge it while at work.  At least it's not my electric bill for 9 hours, give or take.  Now I just need $100k.

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

2 hours ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

Apparently not.  The house had months to do it and didn't.

hmmm.... I wonder why.... 

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

Elon Musk doesn't have the authority to stop sh*t.

He thinks that Trump and everyone else will just do what Musk tells them to do.  Funny, they didn't seem to have a problem the last 4 years when someone was telling Biden what to do.

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https://www.wmar2news.com/politics/congress/house-republicans-unveil-slimmed-down-funding-bill

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So the Dems are already saying they won't support the new CR.  I assume GutterAlias and Real Tim will be here momentarily to lambast the Dems for this.   ROFLMAO.

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8 minutes ago, Strike said:

So the Dems are already saying they won't support the new CR.  I assume GutterAlias and Real Tim will be here momentarily to lambast the Dems for this.   ROFLMAO.

Dude, don't you know, it's all Trump's fault.

[thegeneral 2,913]

13 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Dude, don't you know, it's all Trump's fault.

In this case where we currently are is Trump’s fault. Congress had a deal on the budget that was going to pass and he, or Elon, scrapped that and here we are.

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2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

In this case where we currently are is Trump’s fault. Congress had a deal on the budget that was going to pass and he, or Elon, scrapped that and here we are.

Trump and Musk have no authority to stop Congress from passing a bill.  And there is a new deal on the table.  I look forward to you placing blame more appropriately when this one doesn't pass.

[thegeneral 2,913]

Just now, Strike said:

Trump and Musk have no authority to stop Congress from passing a bill.  And there is a new deal on the table.  I look forward to you placing blame more appropriately when this one doesn't pass.

A deal was there with Republicans on board and now it’s not. That was Trump and I guess Elon. Correct? 

Now they are figuring out a new thing. This was Trump’s doing.

You can think that this is better but the tossing out the previous deal is on Team Donald Musk.

On a side note I wonder if Vivek is going to start getting jealous he’s not front and center like Elon.

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4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

A deal was there with Republicans on board and now it’s not. That was Trump and I guess Elon. Correct? 

Now they are figuring out a new thing. This was Trump’s doing.

You can think that this is better but the tossing out the previous deal is on Team Donald Musk.

On a side note I wonder if Vivek is going to start getting jealous he’s not front and center like Elon.

Trump and Elon have no authority.  Are you suggesting they do?  And are you suggesting they aren't entitled to an opinion?

I just hope you're consistent in laying blame when this new deal fails.

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2 hours ago, TheNewGirl said:

There's more we can do than just "vote them out." Not give them raises is just one. 

Elon isn't stopping all spending or shutting down the govt. If our govt is SO WEAK that they rely on a couple of Tweets, then we are more focked than we think we are. "Oh noe! Elon tweeted that the bill sucks, we should all vote no."

Mmm. Kay. Same with Trump; he isn't even voting on that bill. If his party is voting it down because they are SCARED of him, then something IS wrong and maybe they should be gone. 

I really wish people would stop thinking guys like Elon have power; it's the weakness of the ones that listen to him. They could have just as easily said, "Fock that guy, I am pushing this through." 

If it was a good bill they could have held a vote and voted yes.

It was another pork junk bill. Everyone knows it. Republicans and Democrats alike. 

The people have voted. Trump and his team are coming in and taking no prisoners. When Dems retake power at some point they are coming for him and his team either way. So might as well go all out.

[Engorgeous George 2,137]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’ve read a little about this but I can’t tell you about the cost of 8 billion. I have no idea. Sounds like a lot of waste and corruption if I had to guess. 
 

My point was that it really is a worthy project despite the inevitable boondoggle aspects. 

My point is that it is long past time we accept that each project will be a boondoggle.  That is how we end up 36 trillion in debt.  Stealing from the taxpayers and being irresponsible with the taxpayers money ought to be a felony.  We are about two generations late in tackling this issue.  Kicking the can down the road yet again is simply unacceptable and ought to be unacceptable to you. The power to confiscatorily tax, to forcibly take the fruits of ones labor ought to come only with the high resonsibility to be fiscally responsible with that forcibly taken wealth.

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Just now, Engorgeous George said:

My opoint is that it is long past time we accept that each project will be a boondoggle.  That is how we end up 36 trillion in debt.  Stealing from the taxpayers and being irresponsible with the taxpayers money ought to be a felony.  We are about two generations late in tackling this issue.  Kicking the can down the road yet again is simply unacceptable and ought to be unacceptable to you. The power to confiscatorily tax, to forcibly take the fruits of ones labor ought to come only with the high resonsibility to be fiscally responsible with that forcibly taken wealth.

How many times have we heard, "it's a drop in the bucket"? Thos drops add up. It's time to fix the leak and see what we really need in the bucket.

[thegeneral 2,913]

9 minutes ago, Strike said:

Trump and Elon have no authority.  Are you suggesting they do?  And are you suggesting they aren't entitled to an opinion?

I just hope you're consistent in laying blame when this new deal fails.

Good grief. Why was this deal suddenly not going to pass right after Elon and Trump started saying it’s terrible? 

[The Phantom's Phantom 253]

11 minutes ago, Strike said:

Trump and Elon have no authority.  Are you suggesting they do?  And are you suggesting they aren't entitled to an opinion?

You don't think Mike Johnson is gonna do whatever trump tells him?  You can't be this dumb.  Trump is telling all Republicans that if they don't play ball with him that he's gonna primary them.  Do you not know this?

[thegeneral 2,913]

2 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

If it was a good bill they could have held a vote and voted yes.

It was another pork junk bill. Everyone knows it. Republicans and Democrats alike. 

The people have voted. Trump and his team are coming in and taking no prisoners. When Dems retake power at some point they are coming for him and his team either way. So might as well go all out.

They were going to pass it and now they are not.

If you want to think that’s great fine. But why this is now a thing is Trump and Elon.

Why is this even a debate?

[Cdub100 3,838]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

They were going to pass it and now they are not.

If you want to think that’s great fine. But why this is now a thing is Trump and Elon.

Why is this even a debate?

I don't understand what you're saying here

[Reality 3,099]

Twitter is dieing. 

Elon literally controls government. 

Clowns.

[thegeneral 2,913]

2 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

I don't understand what you're saying here

This spending bill was going to pass. Johnson had the votes. Elon and Trump decided it’s no good and blew it up.

You can think that’s great but it is why they are now scrambling to get a new deal.

[Engorgeous George 2,137]

Amazing speed with which the 1500 page Bill was rewritten as 116 page Bill.  One might suspect this version was opre-0written and sitting on someone's laptop waiting to be accessed.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,941]

8 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

You don't think Mike Johnson is gonna do whatever trump tells him?  You can't be this dumb.  Trump is telling all Republicans that if they don't play ball with him that he's gonna primary them.  Do you not know this?

That’s what you do in the democratic process we have had forever. You primary those you disagree with. Is this all new to you? 

[thegeneral 2,913]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That’s what you do in the democratic process we have had forever. You primary those you disagree with. Is this all new to you? 

You might need to explain this to people who are shocked that Trump/Elon killed this spending bill

[The Phantom's Phantom 253]

Vote failed

Nice work Elon.

Shutdown it is.

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5 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

Vote failed

Nice work Elon.

Shutdown it is.

Nicely done Now the Commanders can't get their new stadium with my money!  

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This is great! 

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14 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

Vote failed

Nice work Elon.

Shutdown it is.

Well I guess we can put the "you don't care about the disaster relief" narrative to rest.  This bill had it.  Just goes to show the Dems don't care about disater relief.  I am waiting patiently for @The Real timschochet to denounce the Dems for voting against disaster relief.  The GOP cares about disaster relief.  You don't.  Laughing that disaster relief failed.  Such a clown.

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29 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

You might need to explain this to people who are shocked that Trump/Elon killed this spending bill

Trump and Elon have no authority.  The Dems killed this spending bill. 

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39 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Amazing speed with which the 1500 page Bill was rewritten as 116 page Bill.  One might suspect this version was opre-0written and sitting on someone's laptop waiting to be accessed.

Don't worry, @thegeneral will be around soon to tell you that Elon and Trump had it all prepared for the Democrats. 

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MAGAturds think it's a great idea for the world's richest man to control Congress by threatening Republicans with primary challengers for whom he bankrolls their campaigns.

Yeah, this is the way America was meant to be.

Fock.