[** Official President Donald J. Trump Thread **]

[RLLD 4,143]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Look as I already wrote, your first paragraph is wrong. The amendment was primarily a response to slavery and Dred Scott, but immigration was discussed at the time. And this was confirmed by the Supreme Court shortly thereafter: 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark

As an aside in your last paragraph you wrote “I am hopeful we can find a result that benefits Americans, not illegal immigrants.” We already have that result. Birthright citizenship is a benefit to all here. Also, despite their lack of papers, IMO undocumented immigrants are every bit as American as anyone else, perhaps more so, as many of them risked their lives and freedoms coming here. How many of us can say that?!

I read what you wrote, but I am not wrong, you are free to disagree but your opinion is not authoritative.  Rather than insist on such notions you should be willing to discuss it.

I welcome the elimination of this amendment if at all possible, I think it is time this happens.

[The Real timschochet 6,446]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I read what you wrote, but I am not wrong, you are free to disagree but your opinion is not authoritative.  Rather than insist on such notions you should be willing to discuss it.

I welcome the elimination of this amendment if at all possible, I think it is time this happens.

Look you’re right that my opinion about the topic isn’t authoritative, it’s my opinion. But what I wrote about the history IS authoritative. I linked the source for you. I didn’t make it up. 

[The Real timschochet 6,446]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah.  Immigration was Trumps platform. People voted for it.   But you have a poll from a left wing school and the thoroughly discredited AP.  You’re like a child with your constant need for validation from your hand picked “sources”’ , months after an election showing you what Americans wanted.  The people have spoken.  Maybe if you idiots listened to them instead of the leftist agenda driven media you wouldn’t lose so much. 

You keep moving the goalposts. The public wants strong action taken in regards to undocumented immigration, you’re right about that. But they don’t want to end birthright citizenship. You’re wrong about that. The University of Chicago is hardly a left wing university, you just made that part up. And AP is about as middle of the road as they come. 
 

Earlier you asserted that Americans overwhelmingly support removing birthright citizenship. That was wrong and stupid on your part to make such an assertion. Back it up if you can, or withdraw it, or continue to look like an idiot. Your choice. 

[RLLD 4,143]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Look you’re right that my opinion about the topic isn’t authoritative, it’s my opinion. But what I wrote about the history IS authoritative. I linked the source for you. I didn’t make it up. 

My position remains as to the initial intent of the amendment, I am not aware of any alternative position on that inception.

Now, my position remains that the generosity of this amendment has been abused, therefore I support action to eliminate that abuse.

[squistion 1,956]

SMH

https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1882087219080425890

The CIA has carried out an executive order signed by Trump to revoke security clearances for about 50 former intelligence officials and senior government officials who had signed a letter about Russia’s possible role in spreading allegations against Hunter Biden, an agency spokesman told NBC News. https://nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-administration-executive-orders-presidential-agenda-live-updates-rcna188605/rcrd70162?canonicalCard=true

 

[squistion 1,956]

The purge begins.

https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1882111030178025961

NBC News: The Trump admin just fired four top officials at the Justice Department's Executive Office of Immigration Review, which oversees U.S. immigration courts. All were civil servants, not political appointees.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-fired-four-top-immigration-court-officials-hours-taking-office-rcna188637

[Maximum Overkill 1,741]

10 minutes ago, squistion said:

C News: The Trump admin just fired four top officials at the Justice Department's Executive Office of Immigration Review, which oversees U.S. immigration courts.

This is amazing news! Trump finally gets rid of 4 WOKE non-players and gets to put those in charge to achieve his objective  

[squistion 1,956]

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1882106320016564726 (video clip at link)

Raskin: Unbelievable that they are sitting by while Trump proposes by executive order to destroy section 1 of the 14th amendment..

All of these originalists and textualists who claim to care about what the constitution stands for… now they want to destroy birthright citizenship in America moving to a citizenship based on race instead of a citizenship based on place..

They just want to demagogue the immigration issue.. just like they demagogued the issue of inflation. They said they were going to bring down prices.. not a single peep from them about that on day one. No, it’s just about releasing all the violent insurrectionists

[Tree of Knowledge 1,712]

2 hours ago, squistion said:

SMH

https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1882087219080425890

The CIA has carried out an executive order signed by Trump to revoke security clearances for about 50 former intelligence officials and senior government officials who had signed a letter about Russia’s possible role in spreading allegations against Hunter Biden, an agency spokesman told NBC News. https://nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-administration-executive-orders-presidential-agenda-live-updates-rcna188605/rcrd70162?canonicalCard=true

 

They got off easy.  In most countries they would have been executed.  

[Tree of Knowledge 1,712]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1882106320016564726 (video clip at link)

Raskin: Unbelievable that they are sitting by while Trump proposes by executive order to destroy section 1 of the 14th amendment..

All of these originalists and textualists who claim to care about what the constitution stands for… now they want to destroy birthright citizenship in America moving to a citizenship based on race instead of a citizenship based on place..

They just want to demagogue the immigration issue.. just like they demagogued the issue of inflation. They said they were going to bring down prices.. not a single peep from them about that on day one. No, it’s just about releasing all the violent insurrectionists

COMMUNITY NOTE

Raskin is a liar.  Father Trump signed an EO on Monday night instructing all government agencies to make fighting inflation a top priority.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,953]

There’s no way the founding fathers could have foreseen automatic weapons.  But they for sure foresaw Chinese anchor babies and thought it was right.  Good god, liberals are so stupid. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

Trump responds to the dike Priest who disrespected him yesterday.

“The so-called Bishop who spoke at the National Prayer Service on Tuesday morning was a Radical Left hard line Trump hater. She brought her church into the World of politics in a very ungracious way. She was nasty in tone, and not compelling or smart. She failed to mention the large number of illegal migrants that came into our Country and killed people. Many were deposited from jails and mental institutions. It is a giant crime wave that is taking place in the USA. Apart from her inappropriate statements, the service was a very boring and uninspiring one. She is not very good at her job! She and her church owe the public an apology!”

[Maximum Overkill 1,741]

1 minute ago, Patented Phil said:

Trump responds to the dike Priest who disrespected him yesterday.

“The so-called Bishop who spoke at the National Prayer Service on Tuesday morning was a Radical Left hard line Trump hater. She brought her church into the World of politics in a very ungracious way. She was nasty in tone, and not compelling or smart. She failed to mention the large number of illegal migrants that came into our Country and killed people. Many were deposited from jails and mental institutions. It is a giant crime wave that is taking place in the USA. Apart from her inappropriate statements, the service was a very boring and uninspiring one. She is not very good at her job! She and her church owe the public an apology!”

Nice  

[Tree of Knowledge 1,712]

Episcopalian is religion created to troll Christians.  

[Engorgeous George 2,149]

I understand argument on the 14th amendment can be made as to whether "subject to jurisdiction thereof" precludes birth right citizenship if the baby has citizenship in another country by virtue of its parents citizenship.  Very few parents formally renounce their citizenships to their native countries (if that process even exists, which it does not for many countries) and therefore their offspring might be said to be under the jurisdictions of those countries, at least the primary jurisdiction though subject to our secondary jurisdiction or our primary jurisdcition while they are temporarily here. I don't find that argument compelling. I do note that the 14th amendment arose in the context of emancipation.  That problem was so overwhelming it dwarfed other concerns.  Yes, a few voices discussed what the amendment would mean for immigrants, but the owerwhelming gist of its need was for emancipated slaves.  In other words anchor babies today are an unintended consequence of adopting the 14th as written.  That said, we could have known its application when it was passed had we thought about it.  The Supremes have already ruled on the issue, and frankly Trump cannot change that with an EO.  He can reboot the truncated discussion from 150 years ago, but he cannot change it.  Perhaps that discussion can lead to an amendment, but the only way to change the settled meaning of the 14th amendment is with another amendment.

[Death 301]

Clownzo pardons convicted pedo Andrew Kyle Grigsby, who used bear spray on police Jan. 6.

http://kool.corrections.ky.gov/KOOL/Details/538691

This is not going well at all.

[Mike Honcho 5,107]

On 1/22/2025 at 12:59 PM, Engorgeous George said:

I understand argument on the 14th amendment can be made as to whether "subject to jurisdiction thereof" precludes birth right citizenship if the baby has citizenship in another country by virtue of its parents citizenship.  Very few parents formally renouncing their citizenships to their native countries (if that process even exists, which it does not for many countries) and therefore their offspring might be said to be under the jurisdictions of those countries, at least the primary jurisdiction though subject to our secondary jurisdiction or our primary jurisdcition while they are temporarily here. I don't find that argument compelling. I do note that the 14th amendmentarose in the context of emancipation.  that problem ws so overwhelming taht it dwarfed other concerns.  yes, a few voices discussed waht the amendment would mean for immigrants, but the owerwhelming gist of its need was for emancipated slaves.  In other words anchor babies today are an unintended consequence of adopting the 14th as written.  That said, we could have known its application when it was passed had we thought about it.  The Supremes have already ruled on the issue, and frankly Trump cannot change that with an EO.  He can reeboot the truncated discussion from 150 years ago, but he cannot change it.  Perhaps that discussion can lead to an amendment, but the only way to change the settled meaning of the 14th amendment is with another amendment.

That didn't take long.
 

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Judge blocks Trump’s ‘blatantly unconstitutional’ executive order that aims to end birthright citizenship

A federal judge said Thursday that President Donald Trump’s executive order ending birthright citizenship was “blatantly unconstitutional” and issued a temporary restraining order to block it.

Judge John Coughenour, a Ronald Reagan appointee who sits in Seattle, granted the request by Washington Attorney General Nick Brown and three other Democratic-led states for the emergency order halting implementation of the policy for the next 14 days while there are more briefings in the legal challenge.

“I have been on the bench for over four decades. I can’t remember another case whether the question presented was as clear,” Coughenour said.

“Where were the lawyers” when the decision to sign the executive order was made, the judge asked. He said that it “boggled” his mind that a member of the bar would claim the order was constitutional.

 

 

[jbycho 605]

4 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

That didn't take long.
 

 

Keep trying. Ugghh....

[TheNewGirl 1,355]

39 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

That didn't take long.
 

 

We knew it would happen. 

[The Real timschochet 6,446]

2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

We knew it would happen. 

So what was the point? Does anyone truly believe any court in the land is going to uphold this executive order? 

[Mike Honcho 5,107]

21 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

So what was the point? Does anyone truly believe any court in the land is going to uphold this executive order? 

I'd wouldn't give you even money on whether the the Fifth would uphold it, you would be laying -300, and that might be to low. 

[The Real timschochet 6,446]

4 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I'd wouldn't give you even money on whether the the Fifth would uphold it, you would be laying -300, and that might be to low. 

I’m not even sure Aileen Cannon would uphold it. 

[lickin_starfish 1,893]

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[TrailGuy 552]

Trump is demanding OPEC increase oil production which in turn would lower price.  He says this will end the war in Ukraine.  I'm only assuming because then Russia will make less money on oil.  A far stretch but ok.  This would also in turn affect domestic oil production.  You can't drill baby drill if their is no ROI and with oil.

Price of oil today is around $75.  If it gets into the 60s or 50s then there is no ROI on new drilling.

He could be shooting himself in the foot per usual 

[Cdub100 3,842]

9 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

Trump is demanding OPEC increase oil production which in turn would lower price.  He says this will end the war in Ukraine.  I'm only assuming because then Russia will make less money on oil.  A far stretch but ok.  This would also in turn affect domestic oil production.  You can't drill baby drill if their is no ROI and with oil.

Price of oil today is around $75.  If it gets into the 60s or 50s then there is no ROI on new drilling.

He could be shooting himself in the foot per usual 

Quick! Someone get this global economic genius into the white house. Truly stunning analysis nobody has thought of yet.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,953]

1 minute ago, Cdub100 said:

Quick! Someone get this global economic genius into the white house. Truly stunning analysis nobody has thought of yet.

He’s on the board of a multi billion dollar company. 

[RLLD 4,143]

God it feels good to have someone in the Presidency who can speak, who answers questions, is coherent and clearly in charge......sweet jesus this is nice

[TrailGuy 552]

15 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Quick! Someone get this global economic genius into the white house. Truly stunning analysis nobody has thought of yet.

I'm here to debate you if you got the stones.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,953]

8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

God it feels good to have someone in the Presidency who can speak, who answers questions, is coherent and clearly in charge......sweet jesus this is nice

Remember when they tried to deflect from Bidens mental state and put it on Trump? 

[Death 301]

There are like 12 focking Trump threads on Page 1.

TDS!

[Cdub100 3,842]

 

https://x.com/america/status/1884372526144598056

BREAKING: Trump administration to offer all 2 million federal workers the chance to take a “deferred resignation” with a severance package of eight months of pay and benefits. 5-10% of the workforce is estimated to quit, which could lead to around $100 billion in savings.

Elon retweeted this and said fork in the road. I'm gonna have to think about this.

[Maximum Overkill 1,741]

5 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

 

https://x.com/america/status/1884372526144598056

BREAKING: Trump administration to offer all 2 million federal workers the chance to take a “deferred resignation” with a severance package of eight months of pay and benefits. 5-10% of the workforce is estimated to quit, which could lead to around $100 billion in savings.

Elon retweeted this and said fork in the road. I'm gonna have to think about this.

Bye Biatches!!!! 

[Strike 5,216]

How did this thread drop off the front page?  More winning today:

- Trump brought 6 American hostages home from Venezuela today. 

- Paramount negotiating to end lawsuit Trump filed against them for editing Kamalatoe Harris interview and trying to interfere in a Presidential election.  Additionally, the FCC has ordered CBS to turn over full transcript and unedited tape of the interview. 

- More illegals arrests and deportations. 

WINNING!!!! 

[edjr 6,578]

Should change it to Trumping

[Cdub100 3,842]

10 hours ago, Strike said:

How did this thread drop off the front page?  More winning today:

- Trump brought 6 American hostages home from Venezuela today. 

- Paramount negotiating to end lawsuit Trump filed against them for editing Kamalatoe Harris interview and trying to interfere in a Presidential election.  Additionally, the FCC has ordered CBS to turn over full transcript and unedited tape of the interview. 

- More illegals arrests and deportations. 

WINNING!!!! 

Everyone starts a new thread when Trump farts. 

[Cdub100 3,842]

Fork in the Road. Federal deferred registration

In my group of 50 two people took the deferred registration which is below the 10% target

One guy was retiring in August. So not only do we lose him earlier we still have to pay him for an extra month.

The other guy was retiring in December.

This program sucks.

[Cdub100 3,842]

Unions are telling their members NOT to take the offer. It shows how stupid the unions are.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,953]

Trump bombed Isis in Somalia this morning. 

[Strike 5,216]

Rubio met with the head of Panama. Bye bye China.  WINNING is a daily occurrence with this administration.

[KSB2424 3,148]

I don't know if he is WINNING or not.

What I do know is he is actually walking the walk.  He was elected to do this and by golly, a politician actually is doing what he said he would do.  Love it or hate it, you have to respect it.