ICE raid reported at Philly car wash

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PHILADELPHIA - U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents have been conducting raids due to an executive order from President Trump. 

After an ICE raid was reported in Philadelphia, officials, an eyewitness and residents are speaking out.  

What we know:

Complete Autowash Philly on East Hunting Park Ave. was locked up tight Tuesday afternoon after multiple sources tell Fox 29 U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents moved on the business early Tuesday morning. 

An eyewitness told Fox 29’s Jeff Cole what he saw. 

"They just came, and they took everyone away. Cole asked, "what time would you say that was? He said, "I don’t even know 7, 8 in the morning," said the witness.

The actions come as ICE carries out raids in other U.S. cities acting on President Trump’s demand that migrants involved in criminal activity be deported.

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Probably dealing fentanyl.  

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5 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Probably dealing fentanyl.  

No doubt 

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If this part of the law was ever enforced:   What Are the Civil Fines and Criminal Prosecution For Employing Undocumented Workers? The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 imposed civil and criminal fines for the unlawful hiring of aliens. The consequences include: A maximum penalty of six months imprisonment and a fine of $3,000 per worker may be imposed.

The amount of illegals in this country would drastically reduce.

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Awww yeah...

 

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Criminal prosecution possible for employing illegal workers but enforcement is lax

A one-year snapshot taken during the first Trump term shows no company criminally prosecuted for having workers not authorized to be in the country, a Syracuse University project shows.

For the 12-month period between April 2018 and March 2019, only 11 people and no companies were criminally prosecuted in seven cases that were brought by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a 2019 analysis by the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse shows. TRAC is a Syracuse University research project that used a Freedom of Information request of the Department of Justice to get the data.

ICE has had authority since 1986 to use a criminal statute to go after individuals and companies that employ workers who aren’t in the United States legally, but it has rarely used that authority regardless of the administration in office. “Few employers have ever been prosecuted under these provisions,” the TRAC analysis says.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

WHO WILL WASH THE CARS??

PHILADELPHIA - U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents have been conducting raids due to an executive order from President Trump. 

After an ICE raid was reported in Philadelphia, officials, an eyewitness and residents are speaking out.  

What we know:

Complete Autowash Philly on East Hunting Park Ave. was locked up tight Tuesday afternoon after multiple sources tell Fox 29 U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents moved on the business early Tuesday morning. 

An eyewitness told Fox 29’s Jeff Cole what he saw. 

"They just came, and they took everyone away. Cole asked, "what time would you say that was? He said, "I don’t even know 7, 8 in the morning," said the witness.

The actions come as ICE carries out raids in other U.S. cities acting on President Trump’s demand that migrants involved in criminal activity be deported.

I would hardly characterize that as "speaking out", but that's me.

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6 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

If this part of the law was ever enforced:   What Are the Civil Fines and Criminal Prosecution For Employing Undocumented Workers? The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 imposed civil and criminal fines for the unlawful hiring of aliens. The consequences include: A maximum penalty of six months imprisonment and a fine of $3,000 per worker may be imposed.

The amount of illegals in this country would drastically reduce.

Enforce that law.  If we don't want that law take it off the books.  If it is on the books, enforce it.

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2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Enforce that law.  If we don't want that law take it off the books.  If it is on the books, enforce it.

It will never be enforced. Doing so would destroy our economy. 

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Mexicans working ag a car wash in Hunting Park. Really going after the big fish here. 

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Just now, Engorgeous George said:

Enforce that law.  If we don't want that law take it off the books.  If it is on the books, enforce it.

I'm just taking a guess - but I'd guess it has to do with relationship between these business owners and the politicians is the reason it's not enforced.  If companies started getting fined for 3 per worker + plus the possibility of jail time, it would stop. 

Now, what that will do to the economy, cost of goods, etc., well, that's a completely different can of worms, that could be debated until we were all blue in the face.

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

Mexicans working ag a car wash in Hunting Park. Really going after the big fish here. 

Drugs BOYO, that's what initiated the raid 

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Just now, MDC said:

Mexicans working ag a car wash in Hunting Park. Really going after the big fish here. 

It’s designed to cause fear. They’re doing a good job of it too. Millions of undocumented are scared to send their kids to school, scared to show up for work. There’s going to be some terrible results from this- for the country. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

There’s going to be some terrible results from this- for the country. 

Awesome, isn't it?  

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1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Awesome, isn't it?  

Not really no. Do you use the supermarket? Enjoy eating out? Use most retail services? If so this won’t be awesome for you; quite the opposite. 

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6 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Drugs BOYO, that's what initiated the raid 

That’s not in the article you posted.

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10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It will never be enforced. Doing so would destroy our economy. 

C'mon, Tim,  you're being a drama queen.  There is absolutely ZERO evidence for that.  You're being absurd and hysterical. 

Y'know, back in the day the recommendation for a hysterical woman was a good vibrator.  Maybe you should give that a shot?  If it works, then maybe you can recommend one to squidtard too. 

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19 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I'm just taking a guess - but I'd guess it has to do with relationship between these business owners and the politicians is the reason it's not enforced.  If companies started getting fined for 3 per worker + plus the possibility of jail time, it would stop. 

Now, what that will do to the economy, cost of goods, etc., well, that's a completely different can of worms, that could be debated until we were all blue in the face.

I know why it is not enforced.  Money, specifically campaign contributions..  If it were enforced businesses would stop hiring illegals.  Businesses would then be short of employees for a limited amount of time.  Those businesses would tell their politicians in no uncertain terms to stop dicking around  and to immediately pass a responsibile guest worker program to repopulate those employees.  Both sides of the political divide would have to do their job instead of keeping a red meat issue alive for them to use to manipulate voters.

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Just now, MDC said:

That’s not in the article you posted.

There's other articles. Check it out 

Don't look in Liberal articles though. They surely won't mention drugs 

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22 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

If this part of the law was ever enforced:   What Are the Civil Fines and Criminal Prosecution For Employing Undocumented Workers? The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 imposed civil and criminal fines for the unlawful hiring of aliens. The consequences include: A maximum penalty of six months imprisonment and a fine of $3,000 per worker may be imposed.

The amount of illegals in this country would drastically reduce.

I support that

 

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1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

I know why it is not enforced.  Money.  If it were enforced businesses would stop hiring illegals.  Businesses would then be short of employees for a limited amount of time.  Thsoe businesses would tell their politicians in no uncertain terms to stop dicking around  and to immediately pass a responsibile guest worker program to repopulate those employees.  Both sides of the political divide would have to do their job instead of keeping a red meat issue alive for them to use to manipulate voters.

I am very on board with hammering businesses who employ illegals.  Even as far as private citizens and small businesses who stop at the corner with their truck to pick some of them up quick to help clean up their place. 

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Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

There's other articles. Check it out 

You could’ve posted one, boyo.

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Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

C'mon, Tim,  you're being a drama queen.  You're being absurd and hysterical. 

Y'know, back in the day the recommendation for a hysterical woman was a good vibrator.  Maybe you should give that a shot?  If it works, then maybe you can recommend one to squidtard too. 

I would but the price of vibrators are going to skyrocket along with everything else. Who do you think works in the factories that assemble them? Unless you want me to purchase a foreign made vibrator and there will be a tariff on that too. 

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There are hardly any illegals where I live.  No they dont do yard work here or roofs.  No they arent the ones at the grocery store.  We manage to get by.  Some how...some way.  

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I would but the price of vibrators are going to skyrocket along with everything else. Who do you think works in the factories that assemble them? Unless you want me to purchase a foreign made vibrator and there will be a tariff on that too. 

Mexicans don't assemble the vibrators - the Chinese do overseas.  But, seriously, I don't care.  Short term pain for long term gain.  No pain, no gain, but I think you're over exaggerating and being hysterical about it anyways.

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2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I know why it is not enforced.  Money, specifically campaign contributions..  If it were enforced businesses would stop hiring illegals.  Businesses would then be short of employees for a limited amount of time.  Thsoe businesses would tell their politicians in no uncertain terms to stop dicking around  and to immediately pass a responsibile guest worker program to repopulate those employees.  Both sides of the political divide would have to do their job instead of keeping a red meat issue alive for them to use to manipulate voters.

The interim between losing the current workers and a guest worker program would be catastrophic for the economy. It will never happen. 
 

And history has shown that guest worker programs don’t work because nobody ever leaves. Same with undocumented folks; they’re not going anywhere. A far simpler solution than yours is to simply give these folks legal recognition.

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Those who want illegals to do work simply want to hide the true costs of goods and services.  They want to push those costs off of their business to society as a whole.  In the end, however, we all end up paying the costs.  The question is whether we do so up front, and openly, or on the back end.  It is no different than polluters.  Businesses who for years dumped their effluviant into our air and rivers.  We pretended there was no cost for that and we enjoyed our apparently cheaper cars and fertilizers and the businesses enjoyed their greater apparent profits.  in the end, however, we still pay those costs through destroyed personal health, a degraded planet, and eventually through litigation costs for the misuse which drives up the curent costs of those products.  We need aditional labor.  Lets get it in vetted and if that means A bit higher present apparent costs lets pay it.  paying up front always turns out cheaper than paying on the back end.

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Just now, Engorgeous George said:

Those who want illegals to do work simply want to hide the true costs of goods and services.  They want to push those costs off of their business to society as a whole.  In the end, however, we all end up paying the costs.  The question is whether we do so up front, and openly, or on the back end.  It is no different than polluters.  Businesses who for years dumped their effluviant into our air and rivers.  We pretended there was no cost for that and we enjoyed our apparently cheaper cars and fertilizers and the businesses enjoyed their greater apparent profits.  in the end, however, we still pay those costs through destroyed personal health, a degraded planet, and eventually through litigation costs for the misuse which drives up the curent costs of those products.  We need aditional labor.  Lets get it in vetted and if that means A bit higher present apparent costs lets pay it.  paying up front always turns out cheaper than paying on the back end.

This is the exact opposite of the truth. Employers who hire undocumented people lower costs for all of society. They don’t do it to push costs off, they benefit all of us by performing work at a price determined not by the government but by the marketplace. This is capitalism 101. 

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6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The interim between losing the current workers and a guest worker program would be catastrophic for the economy. It will never happen. 
 

And history has shown that guest worker programs don’t work because nobody ever leaves. Same with undocumented folks; they’re not going anywhere. A far simpler solution than yours is to simply give these folks legal recognition.

God bless the brave Men and Women of ICE. These violent Illegal Immigrants are very unpredictable 

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I wish we would start arresting all the Leftists politicians shielding these illegals from the Feds being able to do their jobs.  That needs to happen.

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16 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is the exact opposite of the truth. Employers who hire undocumented people lower costs for all of society. They don’t do it to push costs off, they benefit all of us by performing work at a price determined not by the government but by the marketplace. This is capitalism 101. 

No, it is the truth.  See society still then has the cost of their ilegality to bear elsewhere.  You get your strawberries a buck cheaper per quart but the folks in New York, and Boston, and Chicago who are footing massive hotel bills, whose schools are overwhelmed and whose kids are getting a poor education because of that, whose park and rec facilities are not available to them, and whose kids are being exposed to illnesses thought eradicated and who are being raped and murdered, that is still a societal cost which is being paid, not by you, but by them,  your neighbors.  That you do not have the foresight or understanding to put that in the calculus does not mean it is not there.  Don't talk about Capitalism 101 when you skipped the class.  Back on ignore you go.  Do your ignorant rants .  Maybe revist the one about a president exercising enumerated powers being subject to impeachment therefore.  Maybe lie again about your business experience running a company when you clearly have to ask permission to make a single expenditure.  Maybe lie about what you pay illegals.

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1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

No, it is the truth.  See society still then has the cost of their ilegality to bear elsewhere.  You get your strawberries a buck cheaper per quart but the folks in New York, and Boston, and Chicago who are footing massive hotel bills, whose schools are overwhelmed and whose kids are getting a poor education because of that, whose park and rec facilities are not available to them, and whose kids are being exposed to illnesses thought eradicated and who are being raped and murdered, that is still a societal cost which is being paid, not by you, but by your neighbors.  That you do not have the foresight or understanding to put that in the calculus does not mean it is not there.  Don't talk about Capitalism 101 when you skipped the class.  Back on ignore you go on ignore. .  Do your ignorant rants .  Maybe revist the one about a president exercising enumerated powers being subject to impeachment therefore.  Maybe lie again about your business experience running a company when you clearly have to ask permission to make a single expenditure.  Maybe lie about what you pay illegals.

Wow. And you accuse me of offering an ignorant rant? You know nothing about my business. And you obviously know nothing about macroeconomics or capitalism either. And you know nothing about the economics of this country if you believe that the burdens of undocumented immigration exceed the benefits. Unfortunately you’re not alone. So many people believe this. But it’s factually incorrect. 

Put me on ignore if you want. I won’t ignore you. It’s childish IMO. I’ll continue to read your posts. Sometimes you make thoughtful remarks and you have a good sense of humor. But when I think  you get things wrong I will try to correct you. And boy did you ever get this wrong. 

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44 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

There are hardly any illegals where I live.  No they dont do yard work here or roofs.  No they arent the ones at the grocery store.  We manage to get by.  Some how...some way.  

Keep comin' up with funky-ass hits like every single day?

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1 hour ago, Mike Honcho said:

If this part of the law was ever enforced:   What Are the Civil Fines and Criminal Prosecution For Employing Undocumented Workers? The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 imposed civil and criminal fines for the unlawful hiring of aliens. The consequences include: A maximum penalty of six months imprisonment and a fine of $3,000 per worker may be imposed.

The amount of illegals in this country would drastically reduce.

I agree.  What makes you think either party will enforce that?

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Now I work down at the car wash, where all it ever does is rain, sometimes I feel like I’m a rider, on a Down bound Train

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Ain’t no migrants picking berries in Philly. 

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1 hour ago, MDC said:

Mexicans working ag a car wash in Hunting Park. Really going after the big fish here. 

Everything counts in large amounts 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Not really no. Do you use the supermarket? Enjoy eating out? Use most retail services? If so this won’t be awesome for you; quite the opposite. 

Speak for yourself. 

I'm all good with getting rid of the illegals. And the next 4 years for me will be glorious. Those who depend on illegals working for slave wages, should be deported along with them. 

Go cry on your own. 

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21 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I agree.  What makes you think either party will enforce that?

Based on quick Google search about people being prosecuted for it, it's doubtful either party would want to do that.  Aside from the financial benefits Tim has outlined(agree or not), and my earlier statement about businesses, politicians and cash; what political party want to be seen going after business owners/leaders who presumably provide a lot of legal jobs in the community?  

"Hi, I'm John Doe from District 4, remember when I closed those two plants that were essential to the community for hiring illegals, well I would like your vote and if you can, a cash donation to support my next election".  

And that's the problem, as a country we don't want to address the root cause - people will hire migrants because they can make more money off of their work and it provides cheaper goods for us..  And for the migrants, they can make more money here safely than they can in their home countries.  

From a social-science point of view, I'm very curious to see if actual large scale deportations were to take place what will be the results, will prices rise, will companies have to close doors/relocate because they can't get labor...