Fnord 2,275 Posted February 5 11 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: You're probably right. Soros is the epitome of evil and hates America. But AFAIK all Elon is doing is eliminating waste. What's he doing that's a problem? I have zero issue with actual waste being identified. The disconnect is the idiom of unelected bureaucrats screwing the country while an unelected, unappointed, and unsupervised billionaire unable to obtain security clearance and with massive conflicts of interest has free reign over a government entity responsible for disbursing trillions of taxpayer dollars. By the time the courts catch up to the probable illegality of it, the damage will have long since been done. Let's pretend that Elon really is unselfishly trying to improve the government. He finds billions worth of waste and fraud and crushes it, despite never having the legal authority to do so. Trump basks in it and holds it up as an example of how he gets positive things done by flouting those stupid damn rules and regulations. Now he believes he can continue doing illegal things because look how successful Elon was! I don't feel like I need to explain the rest of the slippery slope argument. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,331 Posted February 5 7 minutes ago, Fnord said: I have zero issue with actual waste being identified. The disconnect is the idiom of unelected bureaucrats screwing the country while an unelected, unappointed, and unsupervised billionaire unable to obtain security clearance and with massive conflicts of interest has free reign over a government entity responsible for disbursing trillions of taxpayer dollars. By the time the courts catch up to the probable illegality of it, the damage will have long since been done. Let's pretend that Elon really is unselfishly trying to improve the government. He finds billions worth of waste and fraud and crushes it, despite never having the legal authority to do so. Trump basks in it and holds it up as an example of how he gets positive things done by flouting those stupid damn rules and regulations. Now he believes he can continue doing illegal things because look how successful Elon was! I don't feel like I need to explain the rest of the slippery slope argument. Well we are certainly going to learn the extent and breadth of Musk's official authority. We are also likely to learn that most of what has been ascribed to him is actually Presidential or Cabinet level Secretary action recommended by Musk and officially approved by those others before implementation. Of course the question will still remain if even the President or his Cabinet have some of the powers being exercised. It might have been nice had the powers and any processes been well outlined before Musk so gleefully started acting and then tweeting, but thorough process well thought out and delineated ahead of time has never been Trump's public method. Me. I am not a fan of clarification of governmental policy and action by lawsuit if a simple pre-action announcement might have sufficed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,778 Posted February 5 39 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: You're probably right. Soros is the epitome of evil and hates America. But AFAIK all Elon is doing is eliminating waste. What's he doing that's a problem? Soros has worked to tear down the fabric of the country where Elon has done great things to better the United States.No one has done more for the green movement than Musk and the climate cult turns their back on him because OMB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,553 Posted February 5 Netanyahu presents Trump with golden beeper at Washington meeting https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-840759#google_vignette Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,778 Posted February 5 1 minute ago, Strike said: Netanyahu presents Trump with golden beeper at Washington meeting https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-840759#google_vignette Oh no that’s going to offend palestinians Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,909 Posted February 5 3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: Please don’t feed into his asinine Jewish conspiracy bullsh!t. Unless of course you share his bigotry… Trump meets with the Jewish president and not a day later says we the US should move all the Palestinians out of Gaza and turn that land over to the Jews. And you call it asinine Jewish conspiracy bullshit? I would love to make it 110 countries Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,778 Posted February 5 Just now, Cdub100 said: Trump meets with the Jewish president and not a day later says we the US should move all the Palestinians out of Gaza and turn that land over to the Jews. And you call it asinine Jewish conspiracy bullshit? I would love to make it 110 countries What if the Israelis wanted to takeover Gaza and Donald didn’t want them to have it. He thought America should have it as fair compensation Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,769 Posted February 5 4 minutes ago, Cdub100 said: I would love to make it 110 countries For the record, @Cdub100 is referring to the 109 countries in history who attempted to forcibly expel or murder the Jewish people. He is saying that he wishes the USA would do the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Davis 398 Posted February 5 2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: This is always a possibility. But even if that’s true there’s a big difference and huge risk here. It’s one thing to troll and piss off liberals. It’s quite another to troll and piss off Muslims. That hasn’t worked out so well in the past. This is what's happening. When this came out yesterday, I was like no way. His coalition is built on people not wanting American boots on the ground in foreign land but promoting peace through strength as well. Not backing down, but not getting into hopeless quagmires we can't win. This part of the world is one of those. If he does it, come back and quote me and I'll own it. But this was a head fake, Michael Jordan used to do it all the time. I mean Netanyahu could hardly keep a straight face if you look at the clips. When someone jumps at it, it leaves you wide open to do something else you really want to do. It's an analogy but this story soaked up all the evening talking heads' coverage last night. They paid little to no attention to anything else going on from the White House. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,769 Posted February 5 4 minutes ago, Mark Davis said: This is what's happening. When this came out yesterday, I was like no way. His coalition is built on people not wanting American boots on the ground in foreign land but promoting peace through strength as well. Not backing down, but not getting into hopeless quagmires we can't win. This part of the world is one of those. If he does it, come back and quote me and I'll own it. But this was a head fake, Michael Jordan used to do it all the time. I mean Netanyahu could hardly keep a straight face if you look at the clips. When someone jumps at it, it leaves you wide open to do something else you really want to do. It's an analogy but this story soaked up all the evening talking heads' coverage last night. They paid little to no attention to anything else going on from the White House. Trump doesn’t head fake. You give him way too much credit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,778 Posted February 5 So we do Gaza 1st. Take all the palestinians that can’t fit in Egypt or Jordan and put them in Haiti. Once Gaza is complete we redistribute the Haitians and palestinians around the world while we fix Haiti . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbycho 754 Posted February 5 8 minutes ago, Mark Davis said: This is what's happening. When this came out yesterday, I was like no way. His coalition is built on people not wanting American boots on the ground in foreign land but promoting peace through strength as well. Not backing down, but not getting into hopeless quagmires we can't win. This part of the world is one of those. If he does it, come back and quote me and I'll own it. But this was a head fake, Michael Jordan used to do it all the time. When someone jumps at it, it leaves you wide open to do something else you really want to do. Trump is toying with the liberals. His agenda is....(here it comes)....to make America great again. And his plan is working because he's always 10 steps ahead of the liberals who are the ones destroying our country. In his first term, he was overrun with committee after committee of liberals spending 24x7.putting him in trials. Normal people woke up since then having seen the stupidity of the liberals. Now Trump is going full press against the weakling liberals and he has buy in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,769 Posted February 5 6 minutes ago, jbycho said: Trump is toying with the liberals. His agenda is....(here it comes)....to make America great again. And his plan is working because he's always 10 steps ahead of the liberals who are the ones destroying our country. In his first term, he was overrun with committee after committee of liberals spending 24x7.putting him in trials. Normal people woke up since then having seen the stupidity of the liberals. Now Trump is going full press against the weakling liberals and he has buy in. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Führerprinzip Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,107 Posted February 5 58 minutes ago, Fnord said: I have zero issue with actual waste being identified. The disconnect is the idiom of unelected bureaucrats screwing the country while an unelected, unappointed, and unsupervised billionaire unable to obtain security clearance and with massive conflicts of interest has free reign over a government entity responsible for disbursing trillions of taxpayer dollars. By the time the courts catch up to the probable illegality of it, the damage will have long since been done. Let's pretend that Elon really is unselfishly trying to improve the government. He finds billions worth of waste and fraud and crushes it, despite never having the legal authority to do so. Trump basks in it and holds it up as an example of how he gets positive things done by flouting those stupid damn rules and regulations. Now he believes he can continue doing illegal things because look how successful Elon was! I don't feel like I need to explain the rest of the slippery slope argument. Yeah, i get the concern. Although, I would think Elon does not have cart blanche directive. I'm sure he's giving his recommendations to Trump and Trump is authorizing them. The elected person making the decision is Trump, not Elon, so doesn't that satisfy your "unelected, unappointed and unsupervised" issue? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,331 Posted February 5 40 minutes ago, Strike said: Netanyahu presents Trump with golden beeper at Washington meeting https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-840759#google_vignette Seems like something Jessie Pinkman would have gifted to Badger and Skinny Pete. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,331 Posted February 5 14 minutes ago, HellToupee said: So we do Gaza 1st. Take all the palestinians that can’t fit in Egypt or Jordan and put them in Haiti. Once Gaza is complete we redistribute the Haitians and palestinians around the world while we fix Haiti . How does this all relate to Greenland? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,769 Posted February 5 22 minutes ago, Mark Davis said: This is what's happening. When this came out yesterday, I was like no way. His coalition is built on people not wanting American boots on the ground in foreign land but promoting peace through strength as well. Not backing down, but not getting into hopeless quagmires we can't win. This part of the world is one of those. If he does it, come back and quote me and I'll own it. But this was a head fake, Michael Jordan used to do it all the time. I mean Netanyahu could hardly keep a straight face if you look at the clips. When someone jumps at it, it leaves you wide open to do something else you really want to do. It's an analogy but this story soaked up all the evening talking heads' coverage last night. They paid little to no attention to anything else going on from the White House. The other issue is, in all this supposed “head faking”: last night the President of the United States called for a war crime, ethnic cleansing, to happen. Truly shameful, a new low for any President since the 19th century. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbycho 754 Posted February 5 12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Führerprinzip Yeah, everyone gets it. You think Trump is a Nazi type leader. How many times do you feel the need to keep repeating those thoughts of yours? This has nothing to do with current events, because you always say the same thing. Just like the other libs around here. The tide is changing and you libs have been exposed and you all lose. Why keep drawing attention to how big you all are losing? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,107 Posted February 5 14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: The other issue is, in all this supposed “head faking”: last night the President of the United States called for a war crime, ethnic cleansing, to happen. Truly shameful, a new low for any President since the 19th century. Yeah, THAT'S what he did. You drama queens don't let up, do you? I mean, c'mon already. You've truly gone AWOL, Tim. I am THIS CLOSE to throwing you in the same crowd as Death, TrailGhey, Squistion, gas, Gutterboy, Pimpadouche, The Girlfriend and the rest of the Boyosexual Club members. You've been warned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,769 Posted February 5 12 minutes ago, jbycho said: Yeah, everyone gets it. You think Trump is a Nazi type leader. How many times do you feel the need to keep repeating those thoughts of yours? This has nothing to do with current events, because you always say the same thing. Just like the other libs around here. The tide is changing and you libs have been exposed and you all lose. Why keep drawing attention to how big you all are losing? No obviously you don’t get it. I do NOT think Trump is a Nazi type leader. I think YOU are a Nazi type follower. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,769 Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: Yeah, THAT'S what he did. You drama queens don't let up, do you? I mean, c'mon already. You've truly gone AWOL, Tim. I am THIS CLOSE to throwing you in the same crowd as Death, TrailGhey, Squistion, gas, Gutterboy, Pimpadouche, The Girlfriend and the rest of the Boyosexual Club members. You've been warned. Did he or did he not say that the Palestinians should be forced to leave their land in Gaza and never return? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,107 Posted February 5 18 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Did he or did he not say that the Palestinians should be forced to leave their land in Gaza and never return? THAT is is not what "ethnic cleansing" means at all. Full stop. That's you and your side ONCE AGAIN using terms that don't apply to add drama and hyperbole to a situation. You're trying to sway minds with super charged terms and lies. Stop it, already. Most people call going from one place to another "moving". 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Davis 398 Posted February 5 1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said: Trump doesn’t head fake. You give him way too much credit. On the border when it comes to Mexico alone we have people here both arguing nothing happened as well as arguing, well the 10,000 troops happened but it won't matter. So either he got the 10K or he didn't, they are effective or they aren't. The left can't decide which end of the argument they want because the two are at opposite ends. So you have people making exact opposite arguments for why Trump got owned, backed down, whatever the talking heads catch phrase of the moment is. It can't be both, in reality it's neither, and while there may be some flaws to what he did get, it was more than what we had gotten from the Mexican government. Take Trump out of it, because people are so personally invested they can't evaluate what's happening. Someone in the WH, him or someone else, is orchestrating these things. Even people like CNN's Bakari Sellers are admitting Democrats are flat footed on these things. He's flooding the zone and the attack dogs don't know which is real and what to attack. We aren't putting American troops in Gaza. One of the few things I think you and I agree on is that we shouldn't. Like I said, I think it's a head fake. If I'm wrong, I will say I was wrong. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,458 Posted February 5 46 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: The President of the United States called for a war crime, ethnic cleansing, to happen. Someone needs to take out the trash. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Davis 398 Posted February 5 46 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: The other issue is, in all this supposed “head faking”: last night the President of the United States called for a war crime, ethnic cleansing, to happen. Truly shameful, a new low for any President since the 19th century. I'll admit it wasn't my favorite Trump moment and not something I liked to see. But if people really thought we were taking troops to Gaza, it would be the one reason to legit breath into the brown paper bag. Trump always starts from an extreme position, to try and gain something from moderating. He does it repeatedly. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,909 Posted February 5 2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: For the record, @Cdub100 is referring to the 109 countries in history who attempted to forcibly expel or murder the Jewish people. He is saying that he wishes the USA would do the same. I am talking about the 109 countries where Jews were expelled for doing their Jewish tricks. Of course, you would try to play the victim. That's what Jews do. If someone gets divorced 109 times. Maybe it's not the spouse maybe it's YOU! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,909 Posted February 5 58 minutes ago, Horseman said: Someone needs to take out the trash. He's too busy licking Israel's boot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Hunt 282 Posted February 5 1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said: The other issue is, in all this supposed “head faking”: last night the President of the United States called for a war crime, ethnic cleansing, to happen. Truly shameful, a new low for any President since the 19th century. Tim, I am happy for you. Trump has given you new life in hammering the message boards..you were fading when Biden was in decline. Trump to you is like a police shooting to Jesse Jackson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,107 Posted February 5 1 minute ago, Mike Hunt said: Tim, I am happy for you. Trump has given you new life in hammering the message boards..you were fading when Biden was in decline. Trump to you is like a police shooting to Jesse Jackson. Yeah, Tim was down to about 80 posts a day. Now with Trump in office he is back to normal with his 100+ hysterical and hyperbole filled posts! Like chicken-little. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,275 Posted February 5 2 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: Yeah, i get the concern. Although, I would think Elon does not have cart blanche directive. I'm sure he's giving his recommendations to Trump and Trump is authorizing them. The elected person making the decision is Trump, not Elon, so doesn't that satisfy your "unelected, unappointed and unsupervised" issue? Well no, because I don't trust either of them in the least. We won't agree on this, but appreciate the good faith back and forth. You might not be the world's biggest douche and second worst poster here. Jury's still deliberating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,107 Posted February 5 1 minute ago, Fnord said: Well no, because I don't trust either of them in the least. We won't agree on this, but appreciate the good faith back and forth. You might not be the world's biggest douche and second worst poster here. Jury's still deliberating. Hah! I'll take it - for now. Thanks! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 2,203 Posted February 5 14 minutes ago, Cdub100 said: I am talking about the 109 countries where Jews were expelled for doing their Jewish tricks. Of course, you would try to play the victim. That's what Jews do. If someone gets divorced 109 times. Maybe it's not the spouse maybe it's YOU! Ugh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,909 Posted February 5 Just now, squistion said: Ugh. Oy Vey!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbycho 754 Posted February 5 1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said: No obviously you don’t get it. I do NOT think Trump is a Nazi type leader. I think YOU are a Nazi type follower. HTH So your "logic" is, Trump is no Nazi, but I'm a Nazi because I voted for Trump. Liberal logic never fails to "impress". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,107 Posted February 5 28 minutes ago, jbycho said: So your "logic" is, Trump is no Nazi, but I'm a Nazi because I voted for Trump. Liberal logic never fails to "impress". Liberal Logic is also known as "No Logic" or "Pretzel Logic". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted February 5 I am going to wait and see what happens here. I am not a fan of getting involved in the middle east in general, and particularly with the Palestinians. There are far more people vested in keeping conflict in play than having peace when it comes to Palestidiots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbycho 754 Posted February 5 4 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: Liberal Logix is also known as "No Logic" or "Pretzel Logic". They are severely broken and I'm sure they are realizing it at this point. They have nothing left.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbycho 754 Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, RLLD said: I am going to wait and see what happens here. I am not a fan of getting involved in the middle east in general, and particularly with the Palestinians. There are far more people vested in keeping conflict in play than having peace when it comes to Palestidiots. At some point someone has to think big and clean that everlasting shlt up. It's the same today as it's been since the beginning of time. Time to break the mold. At least at some point that all has to stop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted February 5 5 minutes ago, jbycho said: At some point someone has to think big and clean that everlasting shlt up. It's the same today as it's been since the beginning of time. Time to break the mold. At least at some point that all has to stop. Well, let me say this.....I dont think he actually intends to do anything at all with Palestine...... But I think the nations in that region hear him say HE WILL.....and that is a notion they find....lets say unsettling..... So I suggest, this is a threat of sorts, that the neighboring nations better get their sh!t together and get involved....or else HE will..... And I also suggest, they think he absolutely will. So lets see if all the sudden... Saudi...Jordan...Turkey....and Egypt decide to get together and get involved. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,909 Posted February 5 I finally read through this thread and not a single one of you can piece together how the Jews are responsible for this. Some of you think America is going to take over Gaza or Trump is going to build hotels. No it will be given to Israel our greatest ally. Truly amazing how brain washes both side dems and Republicans are when it comes to Israel. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
