Trump defies the courts, Sends migrants to El Sal Prison

[TimHauck 2,633]

Posted in the other thread, but in case anyone missed it, the cop who filed the report claiming he was in a gang pled guilty to providing case information to a prostitute he was paying for sex acts.  He was suspended ONE WEEK after the report on Abrego Garcia was filed.  Bondi conveniently censored his name from the files that were released.

https://newrepublic.com/article/194010/kilmar-abrego-garcia-case-trump-deported-error-another-hit
 

[MDC 7,156]

This is the admin that uses Sognal to discuss war plans, fires “unnecessary” workers they have to hire back days later, tried to make a pedophile Attorney General, etc.

Maybe the courts should help sort this one out.  

[TimHauck 2,633]

It’s amusing to me that most of MAGA including posters here think this field interview sheet from a disgraced cop based on the word of a criminal informant and Chicago Bulls clothing, is actually new information.

Anyone that was interested in learning the facts of the case already knew what was in that report.  Clearly MAGA isn’t interested in facts.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,966]

I like the picture of this scumbag wearing his gang uniform.   

[Reality 3,106]

You liberals pick the most hilarious heroes.

Keep it up, it's working great.

[Tebok 331]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh. So Steve Bannon went to jail but it’s for not complying, but Eric Holder complied.  Got it.  Ask anyone for their number on Reddit today? Freak. 

You ask questions that a toddler could find the answers to on Google.

[The Real timschochet 6,475]

1 minute ago, Tebok said:

You ask questions that a toddler could find the answers to on Google.

He also lies and makes assertions without any links. Constantly. 

[HellToupee 1,597]

We can’t extradite pedo Roman Polanski from Europe since the 70s but we have a congressman trying to get a ms13 member returned from his homeland . 

[The Real timschochet 6,475]

I haven’t seen any information that this guy is a gang member, I also haven’t seen any information that he’s a bad person, other than the testimony of the discredited police officer. Several people here have posted that there is new damning info out there but have failed to link any of it. 
 

In any event all of this is irrelevant to the main issue which is that this guy never received due process. I will repeat what I wrote before: I don’t care if the dude is a combination of Ted Bundy and Charles Manson; he needs to be returned to the USA because he was sent away without due process. Full stop. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,966]

I wonder where all the due process whining was when Obama was deporting millions? 

[Tebok 331]

Another day; another broken law.

Trump's America.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,130]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Confirmed gang member.  Leftards got rope-a-doped once again. It never gets old. 

He was an illegal gang member. There is no mistake when bringing that person back to their own country.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,130]

17 minutes ago, Tebok said:

Another day; another broken law.

Trump's America.

Expediting the removal of gang members? Executed perfectly.

[The Real timschochet 6,475]

15 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I wonder where all the due process whining was when Obama was deporting millions? 

I’m guessing nowhere since there’s no record of Obama deporting anyone without due process? Unless you have a link that reports otherwise? 

Why do you keep making these wild assertions without any link to back them up? 
 

(Note- it wouldn’t shock me if there is a case somewhere of Obama deporting somebody without proper due process. If that happened, it’s worth condemning. All administrations make mistakes, and almost all do bad things from time to time. What makes the Trump people so uniquely awful in this instance is that they not only refuse to do anything about it, they are actually gloating about breaking the law.) 

[The Real timschochet 6,475]

1 minute ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

He was an illegal gang member. There is no mistake when bringing that person back to their own country.

There is no evidence that he was illegal or a gang member, and he never received due process. Why do you keep repeating this lie? 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,130]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

There is no evidence that he was illegal or a gang member, and he never received due process. Why do you keep repeating this lie? 

It's 100% accepted that he was here illegally by all sides. Only the people who want more gang members here think he's innocent.

[The Real timschochet 6,475]

1 minute ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

It's 100% accepted that he was here illegally by all sides. Only the people who want more gang members here think he's innocent.

Can you provide a link to your first statement please? 

[TimHauck 2,633]

26 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I haven’t seen any information that this guy is a gang member, I also haven’t seen any information that he’s a bad person, other than the testimony of the discredited police officer. Several people here have posted that there is new damning info out there but have failed to link any of it. 
 

In any event all of this is irrelevant to the main issue which is that this guy never received due process. I will repeat what I wrote before: I don’t care if the dude is a combination of Ted Bundy and Charles Manson; he needs to be returned to the USA because he was sent away without due process. Full stop. 

Him being a gang member hinges on the report of a dirty cop who got suspended less than 1 week after the report was filed for giving case information to a prostitute he was paying for sex.  And even that report was based solely on the word of a criminal informant and a Chicago Bulls hat:

https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

https://newrepublic.com/article/194010/kilmar-abrego-garcia-case-trump-deported-error-another-hit

There was new information that came out about claims his wife made alleging domestic violence, but they were never followed through on: 

https://x.com/DHSgov/status/1912567112733753563

In addition, he was apparently pulled over in 2022 “on suspicion of human trafficking,” but little details are given:

https://tennesseestar.com/justice/bidens-fbi-ordered-tn-highway-patrol-to-release-maryland-man-recently-deported-to-el-salvador-after-he-was-detained-in-2022-traffic-stop-on-suspicion-of-human-trafficking/tpappert/2025/04/16/

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,966]

13 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m guessing nowhere since there’s no record of Obama deporting anyone without due process? Unless you have a link that reports otherwise? 

Why do you keep making these wild assertions without any link to back them up? 
 

(Note- it wouldn’t shock me if there is a case somewhere of Obama deporting somebody without proper due process. If that happened, it’s worth condemning. All administrations make mistakes, and almost all do bad things from time to time. What makes the Trump people so uniquely awful in this instance is that they not only refuse to do anything about it, they are actually gloating about breaking the law.) 

Right. They whisked multitudes of illegals in to court before deporting them.  Obama was So efficient. How come it takes years now? 

[The Real timschochet 6,475]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Right. They whisked multitudes of illegals in to court before deporting them.  Obama was So efficient. How come it takes years now? 

Your assumptions mean nothing. Please provide a link. 

[shorepatrol 1,870]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Him being a gang member hinges on the report of a dirty cop who got suspended less than 1 week after the report was filed for giving case information to a prostitute he was paying for sex.  And even that report was based solely on the word of a criminal informant and a Chicago Bulls hat:

https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

https://newrepublic.com/article/194010/kilmar-abrego-garcia-case-trump-deported-error-another-hit

There was new information that came out about claims his wife made alleging domestic violence, but they were never followed through on: 

https://x.com/DHSgov/status/1912567112733753563

In addition, he was apparently pulled over in 2022 “on suspicion of human trafficking,” but little details are given:

https://tennesseestar.com/justice/bidens-fbi-ordered-tn-highway-patrol-to-release-maryland-man-recently-deported-to-el-salvador-after-he-was-detained-in-2022-traffic-stop-on-suspicion-of-human-trafficking/tpappert/2025/04/16/

 

These sh!t hills you clowns decide to die on is predictable and why you are dismissed. It's over. Fock off. Thanks 

 

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5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Him being a gang member hinges on the report of a dirty cop who got suspended less than 1 week after the report was filed for giving case information to a prostitute he was paying for sex.  And even that report was based solely on the word of a criminal informant and a Chicago Bulls hat:

https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

https://newrepublic.com/article/194010/kilmar-abrego-garcia-case-trump-deported-error-another-hit

There was new information that came out about claims his wife made alleging domestic violence, but they were never followed through on: 

https://x.com/DHSgov/status/1912567112733753563

In addition, he was apparently pulled over in 2022 “on suspicion of human trafficking,” but little details are given:

https://tennesseestar.com/justice/bidens-fbi-ordered-tn-highway-patrol-to-release-maryland-man-recently-deported-to-el-salvador-after-he-was-detained-in-2022-traffic-stop-on-suspicion-of-human-trafficking/tpappert/2025/04/16/

 

How many of us have ever had a restraining order pursued on us for punching a woman?  It's getting harder to believe we are dealing with Father of the Year material here.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,966]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Your assumptions mean nothing. Please provide a link. 

Sorry you don’t know history. They did it call him the deporter in chief for no reason. Stay ignorant. It’s suits you well.  

[The Real timschochet 6,475]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Sorry you don’t know history. They did it call him the deporter in chief for no reason. Stay ignorant. It’s suits you well.  

All I’m asking is for evidence that any deportations were done without due process. Should be easy for you to provide. 

[TimHauck 2,633]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

It was more than one person in the admin who said it was a mistake.  Here’s another who said so, under penalty of perjury.

https://x.com/AnnaBower/status/1912353046429941774
 

Even fockin Bondi admitted that “additional paperwork needed to be done.”  AKA MISTAKE

https://x.com/pvtjokerus/status/1911911921802223763

 

 

Oh and Karoline Leavitt said it was a “clerical error” as well

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1907106368143692169

[The Real timschochet 6,475]

8 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

How many of us have ever had a restraining order pursued on us for punching a woman?  It's getting harder to believe we are dealing with Father of the Year material here.

What does this have to do with due process? 

[The Real timschochet 6,475]

9 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

How many of us have ever had a restraining order pursued on us for punching a woman?  It's getting harder to believe we are dealing with Father of the Year material here.

You remind me a bit of my late father, who could never understand why I was upset over the Ruby Ridge shootout in the 90s. My dad would argue: “the guy was a Nazi, an anti-Semite, a white supremacist. Why should I care about him?” I replied because the FBI trespassed without a warrant and shot him. 
The ends never justifies the means. Not then, not now. 

[Tebok 331]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Posted in the other thread, but in case anyone missed it, the cop who filed the report claiming he was in a gang pled guilty to providing case information to a prostitute he was paying for sex acts.  He was suspended ONE WEEK after the report on Abrego Garcia was filed.  Bondi conveniently censored his name from the files that were released.

https://newrepublic.com/article/194010/kilmar-abrego-garcia-case-trump-deported-error-another-hit
 

Trump's America.

[Mark Davis 342]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You remind me a bit of my late father, who could never understand why I was upset over the Ruby Ridge shootout in the 90s. My dad would argue: “the guy was a Nazi, an anti-Semite, a white supremacist. Why should I care about him?” I replied because the FBI trespassed without a warrant and shot him. 
The ends never justifies the means. Not then, not now. 

It's like I told you earlier when you disputed that going down there to try and get this guy released would be a political loser for the Democrats, when personal stuff comes out about him it's all likely downhill from a political standpoint.  I think they are already on the losing side of it, you disagreed.  But that was as things stood, and there is no good news that can make this guy look better.  Only the likelihood that more comes out that shows he's really not that good of a guy.

As to your Ruby Ridge comparison, you can use Waco if you want as I was in a college philosophy class when that went down.  I don't lose too much sleep when bad things happen to bad people.  I get your argument and I don't condemn you for it.  Perhaps it would have been easier for Trump to have handled it in another way, because the end result was always going to be this guy gets deported somewhere.  And while I understand you want to hold the government to a higher standard, some of us view the government having failed someone like Rachel Morin or Laken Riley due to not enforcing our borders.  In that failure we had US citizens lose their lives for government inaction/error, in this case we have a guy who has been now accused of being someone who hits women as well as a potential gang member be deported to his country of origin.  In the order of egregiousness, I feel one is way worse than the other.  And honestly if our government had enforced that border, we likely don't have either set of issues.

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15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You remind me a bit of my late father, who could never understand why I was upset over the Ruby Ridge shootout in the 90s. My dad would argue: “the guy was a Nazi, an anti-Semite, a white supremacist. Why should I care about him?” I replied because the FBI trespassed without a warrant and shot him. 
The ends never justifies the means. Not then, not now. 

This is such a load of crap.  You believe that until the ends justify the means for a cause that you support like illegals crossing the border.  Such a f****** hypocrite

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28 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

How many of us have ever had a restraining order pursued on us for punching a woman?  It's getting harder to believe we are dealing with Father of the Year material here.

Not a restraining order, multiple restraining orders over a year apart. 

[Tebok 331]

49 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Expediting the removal of gang members? Executed perfectly.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/cop-behind-ms-13-dad-claim-was-convicted-of-sex-worker-scandal/

He wasn't a gang member, and the cop who accused him of such is a crook.

Keep up.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,966]

Right. So the cop made it up, because? So fockin stupid. 

[The Real timschochet 6,475]

33 minutes ago, Strike said:

This is such a load of crap.  You believe that until the ends justify the means for a cause that you support like illegals crossing the border.  Such a f****** hypocrite

This is simply not true. I don’t believe that anyone should be allowed to cross the border illegally. I would change the law if I could, and I would offer a different form of punishment. But the ends never justify the means. I believe it’s OK to break the law when obeying the law is clearly immoral, but in that instance the means aren’t being justified by the ends. 

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is simply not true. I don’t believe that anyone should be allowed to cross the border illegally. I would change the law if I could, and I would offer a different form of punishment. But the ends never justify the means. I believe it’s OK to break the law when obeying the law is clearly immoral, but in that instance the means aren’t being justified by the ends. 

Who gets to decide which laws are moral and immoral? That's the problem.

The human brain can rationalize anything.

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4 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Who gets to decide which laws are moral and immoral? That's the problem.

The human brain can rationalize anything.

Satan is in control of that brain, and he’s a liar and deceiver, God is the answer Amen 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,130]

7 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Can you provide a link to your first statement please? 

You can go look that one up yourself. If you don't think he crossed the border illegally then you shouldn't by anywhere near this conversation.

[TimHauck 2,633]

7 hours ago, Mark Davis said:

It's like I told you earlier when you disputed that going down there to try and get this guy released would be a political loser for the Democrats, when personal stuff comes out about him it's all likely downhill from a political standpoint.  I think they are already on the losing side of it, you disagreed.  But that was as things stood, and there is no good news that can make this guy look better.  Only the likelihood that more comes out that shows he's really not that good of a guy.

As to your Ruby Ridge comparison, you can use Waco if you want as I was in a college philosophy class when that went down.  I don't lose too much sleep when bad things happen to bad people.  I get your argument and I don't condemn you for it.  Perhaps it would have been easier for Trump to have handled it in another way, because the end result was always going to be this guy gets deported somewhere.  And while I understand you want to hold the government to a higher standard, some of us view the government having failed someone like Rachel Morin or Laken Riley due to not enforcing our borders.  In that failure we had US citizens lose their lives for government inaction/error, in this case we have a guy who has been now accused of being someone who hits women as well as a potential gang member be deported to his country of origin.  In the order of egregiousness, I feel one is way worse than the other.  And honestly if our government had enforced that border, we likely don't have either set of issues.

I strongly disagree that this is a “political loser” for Democrats.  I have seen quite a few Republicans condemn this action by the government, and zero Democrats defend it.

And for a lot of the centrists like myself and Republicans that are against it, it’s not really about whether or not he was a “good guy.”  It’s about the precedent this sets of not following the Supreme Court, and the apparent ability to “accidentally” deport whoever they feel like, then saying “sorry, out of our hands now” once they’re out of the country.

Even if he is a “bad guy,” unless he killed someone or something his alleged “crimes” don’t deserve potential life in prison.  At this point the best scenario for him is to simply be released from the El Salvador prison, because god knows what we’d do with him if they did send him back here.  I have not seen any justification for El Salvador to keep him in prison.  Heck our current Secretary of Defense has been “accused” of worse than this guy, can we send him to this prison too?  

There is certainly more information that can come out that can make the government look bad.  For one, that the cop who filed the report that the entire claim of him being MS-13 was based on is dirty, which is a documented fact.  And then if it comes out that the guy is dead or something, I bet many people with a heart will think hey maybe coming here illegally shouldn’t be punishable by death.  Of course I know some Republicans don’t fit that description though.  And let’s be real, many people that constantly bring up Laken Riley or Rachel Morin don’t really care about them, they care about using them for political theater and to to try to make all immigrants look bad.  

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6 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Who gets to decide which laws are moral and immoral? That's the problem.

The human brain can rationalize anything.

That's why trump is president.

[Gepetto 1,292]