Dem immigration talking points fizzle as dark picture of Abrego Garcia emerges

[jbycho 664]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sure; here is my simple layman’s understanding. 

When the state arrests or detains anyone in this country that person has the right to go before a judge and argue as to why he or she should not be detained. There are no exceptions to this rule (both Lincoln and FDR claimed exception during time of war but I believe they were wrong.) 

Hows that? So far as I know the Supreme Court agrees with me (at least, they do in the case of Abrego Garcia, is my understanding). Please forgive me if I missed anything important- I didn’t find that somewhere or copy or paste anything- that is my own understanding in my own words. 
 

ETA as to the specifics you asked me to include, I don’t know. I’m sure there are different levels of due process but I don’t know the specifics off the top of my head. In this case (Abrego Garcia) it’s pretty simple, at least to me- prior to his deportation he had the right to go before a judge and argue as to why he should not have been deported. He was not afforded that right. 

They are not US citizens and are here illegally.

So you lose again. 

Remember when you said you wouldn't be posting here regularly?

Yet another lie from you.

 

[The Real timschochet 6,542]

2 minutes ago, jbycho said:

They are not US citizens and are here illegally.

So you lose again. 

Remember when you said you wouldn't be posting here regularly?

Yet another lie from you.

 

Citizenship or its lack is irrelevant to due process. 

[jbycho 664]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Citizenship or its lack is irrelevant to due process. 

Liar.

On 5/17/2013 at 11:58 AM, The Real timschochet said:

Hello to everyone in this forum. No worries, I am not going to post here on a regular basis. In fact, this may very well be my last post. I just wanted to let you know that whoever the guy is that stole both my name and my avatar and is using it in this forum, that person is not me. I have no idea why he would want to use my name and avatar- at first I was flattered, but then I decided that I didn't want to be misrepresented.

 

Anyhow that's all. Good day.

 

[The Real timschochet 6,542]

5 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

Feel welcome to share your understanding of due process.  Please include whether there are levels of due process from criminal matters where we seek to incarcerate or fine, to civil matters, to administrative matters where we seek to deny applications, say for amnesty.  

Hey @Engorgeous George about two hours after I answered your question Stephen Miller publicly expressed his desire to suspend habeas corpus on immigration matters:  

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/05/09/politics/miller-habeas-corpus-immigrant-judge

Any thoughts? 

[TimHauck 2,649]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Hey @Engorgeous George about two hours after I answered your question Stephen Miller publicly expressed his desire to suspend habeas corpus on immigration matters:  

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/05/09/politics/miller-habeas-corpus-immigrant-judge

Any thoughts? 

Lol and he’s still trying to use the argument that they can do this because there’s an “invasion.”  He’s nuts.

[Ron_Artest 1,177]

10 hours ago, Strike said:

Nope it's a fact. 

No it's a lie no matter how many times you repeat it and the supreme court agrees.

[TimHauck 2,649]

10 hours ago, shadrap said:

and another predictable result of Dems ability to try to thwart the system to the detriment of it's citizens.  When will people learn?  From this forum it appears never.  My side regardless!!

So stupid.  But Trump!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Enjoy this libs. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-rips-minnesota-dems-after-illegal-immigrant-drunkenly-kills-mother-on-run

Llangari initially entered the United States in June 2016, was detained by U.S. Customs and Border Protection, issued an order of expedited removal and placed into removal proceedings."

 

When was he first detained by ICE and placed into removal proceedings?   

[jbycho 664]

22 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Llangari initially entered the United States in June 2016, was detained by U.S. Customs and Border Protection, issued an order of expedited removal and placed into removal proceedings."

 

When was he first detained by ICE and placed into removal proceedings?   

You keep removing them and they all came back under Biden. It just goes to show, those who come here illegally should be given an immediate death sentence to be carried out on the spot. 

[TimHauck 2,649]

5 hours ago, jbycho said:

You keep removing them and they all came back under Biden. It just goes to show, those who come here illegally should be given an immediate death sentence to be carried out on the spot. 

It never says if he was ever removed, if he was I’d think they’d have said that

[TimHauck 2,649]

lol Marco Rubio actually believes the propaganda that Van Hollen and Abrego Garcia were “sipping margaritas.”  And the sheep celebrate it.

https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1924871620591575390
 

 

[squistion 2,011]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

lol Marco Rubio actually believes the propaganda that Van Hollen and Abrego Garcia were “sipping margaritas.”  And the sheep celebrate it.

https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1924871620591575390

He may not believe it but has become adept at parroting Trump's lies.

[jerryskids 6,616]

28 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

lol Marco Rubio actually believes the propaganda that Van Hollen and Abrego Garcia were “sipping margaritas.”  And the sheep celebrate it.

https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1924871620591575390
 

 

That's your takeaway from the curb stomping Rubio put on Van Holland, center-right guy?   

[TimHauck 2,649]

16 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

That's your takeaway from the curb stomping Rubio put on Van Holland, center-right guy?   

Well that and he was also doing the thing you were doing and saying definitively that he was a gang banger… I also like how he said “the evidence is gonna be clear,” seemingly admitting that it hasn’t already been presented 

[SaintsInDome2006 439]

Trump administration keeps releasing MS-13 leadership.

>>Donald Trump’s administration is attempting to dismiss criminal charges against a top MS-13 leader in order to deport him to El Salvador, according to newly unsealed court records – igniting accusations from critics and the defendant’s legal team that the US president is trying to do a favor for his Salvadorian counterpart, who struck a deal with the gang in 2019.

 

Arevalo-Chavez are part of its own deal with Bukele to allow for the US to incarcerate immigrants in a maximum security Salvadoran prison. CNN reported in April that Bukele’s government had specifically asked for nine top MS-13 leaders to be brought back to El Salvador from the US.

Critics of Trump who are defending Arevalo-Chavez’s rights see the move to deport him as a way to prevent him from testifying in a US court, or becoming a federal government cooperator, to limit disclosures about Bukele’s past ties to the gang as much as possible.

Arevalo-Chavez is a member of the “Ranfla Nacional”, which is considered to be a directors’ board of sorts for the MS-13 gang. Federal charges pending against him in New York include racketeering, terrorism and conspiring to commit narco-terrorism.

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The judge ruled in April to not relocate him anywhere, preventing his being placed into the custody of the US’s Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice), which would lead to his deportation.

“The ‘geopolitical and national security concerns’ appear to be an effort by the government to support a ‘deal’ with El Salvador to assist Bukele in suppressing the truth about a secret negotiation he had with MS-13 leaders in return for our government using El Salvador prisons,” Arevalo-Chavez’s attorneys said in a separate filing also unsealed on Thursday. That filing in particular mentioned the notorious Cecot prison built to house alleged gang members.<<

[jerryskids 6,616]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Well that and he was also doing the thing you were doing and saying definitively that he was a gang banger… I also like how he said “the evidence is gonna be clear,” seemingly admitting that it hasn’t already been presented 

That's a lot of center-right takeaways.   

[SaintsInDome2006 439]

A man with no criminal history has been sent to CECOT.

[TimHauck 2,649]

16 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

That's a lot of center-right takeaways.   

Center, yes.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,278]

1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

A man with no criminal history has been sent to CECOT.

A title written with a lie already makes me know that they are trying to sell you a story