Trial of Karen Read - Thoughts?

[TheNewGirl 1,387]

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Read is on trial for second-degree murder in the death of her Boston police officer boyfriend, John O'Keefe. Her defense claims someone else killed O'Keefe. O'Keefe was found unresponsive outside the home of another officer during a snowstorm in January 2022

Rumors of a police coverup, saying that she ran over him in her car, etc. 

I just started watching the documentary, but I understand she's still on trial. 

Anyone following this? What are your thoughts? 

[supermike80 1,825]

My wife was trying to tell me a little about this.  But then I started staring at her boobs and completely lost interest

[Strike 5,276]

I've heard about it on and off.  If you listen to podcasts I think the court junkie  podcast has a multi part episode on this trial.  Might be worth a listen.  And since it's a podcast there are no boobs to distract you.

[Mike Honcho 5,146]

27 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Rumors of a police coverup, saying that she ran over him in her car, etc. 

I just started watching the documentary, but I understand she's still on trial. 

Anyone following this? What are your thoughts? 

I think if you and your husband lived in a cold climate he would have good reason to be concerned about your interest in this trial.  

[TheNewGirl 1,387]

Just now, Mike Honcho said:

I think if you and your husband lived in a cold climate he would have good reason to be concerned about your interest in this trial.  

My husband is 6'8" and 300 pounds. 

Too much body to try and get rid of.  Also, I'd have to mow over him with a F450 King Ranch or something - and at my height I couldn't see over the steering wheel. 

[HellToupee 1,613]

My wife is into this trial , big time , which means I’m into it , I guess. That all I get to see currently on tv besides sports. Crazy story and feel like I know it inside and out. This even has great side stories and also has crossover ties with the Sandra Birchmore case

[SUXBNME 1,458]

28 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

- and at my height I couldn't see over the steering wheel. 

I'll let you sit on my lap 

[HellToupee 1,613]

When this story broke I was 100% convinced she was guilty. Police even said it was all captured on ring video except that statement was false. Now I think she’s 100% innocent or maybe 99.5% .This is a deep rabbit hole to go down. 

Microdots puts out really good content that most of the time is short. This one is longer , 14 minutes 

This is a 2 minute intro video to an hour long refresher from trial 1 going into 2. Turtleboy is a polarizing figure that MA has been trying to put in jail

 

[Engorgeous George 2,171]

1 hour ago, TheNewGirl said:

My husband is 6'8" and 300 pounds. 

Too much body to try and get rid of.  Also, I'd have to mow over him with a F450 King Ranch or something - and at my height I couldn't see over the steering wheel. 

Big boy.

[MLCKAA 550]

Oh, I’ve followed it.

All the injuries except the arm cuts are facial/cranial like someone beat him.  Middle of the night phone activity between the people in the house very suspicious.  Taillights are hard and thick.  Human body is soft (except mine hahaha).  Bodies don’t break taillights.

Witness saw her in the car by herself sitting in front of the house.  Too much doubt for a conviction.

ETA:  and loads of cameras around the area all “glitched” just when she would have been driving by…

[TheNewGirl 1,387]

45 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

Oh, I’ve followed it.

All the injuries except the arm cuts are facial/cranial like someone beat him.  Middle of the night phone activity between the people in the house very suspicious.  Taillights are hard and thick.  Human body is soft (except mine hahaha).  Bodies don’t break taillights.

Witness saw her in the car by herself sitting in front of the house.  Too much doubt for a conviction.

ETA:  and loads of cameras around the area all “glitched” just when she would have been driving by…

Yeah! I just got to the phone stuff in the middle of the night! Three or four people butt dailing each other within 2 to 4 minutes of each other? And then the phones being destroyed? 

[HellToupee 1,613]

4 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Yeah! I just got to the phone stuff in the middle of the night! Three or four people butt dailing each other within 2 to 4 minutes of each other? And then the phones being destroyed? 

Are you up to speed on the 2nd trial or just watching one of the docs?

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She might be guilty, but there’s not nearly enough evidence for a conviction.    
 

 

[MLCKAA 550]

12 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Yeah! I just got to the phone stuff in the middle of the night! Three or four people butt dailing each other within 2 to 4 minutes of each other? And then the phones being destroyed? 

Wait until you read or hear about all the missing surveillance camera footage.  

[TheNewGirl 1,387]

16 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Are you up to speed on the 2nd trial or just watching one of the docs?

Just watching the documentary, so this must be the first trial. SPOILER ALERT!!!!  

Kidding, it's fine. I can see how there would be a second trial with this cr@p show. 

[kutulu 1,661]

Live pretty close to where this happened. Saw some lady jogging yesterday with a "free Karen Lee" shirt.

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1 hour ago, TheNewGirl said:

Yeah! I just got to the phone stuff in the middle of the night! Three or four people butt dailing each other within 2 to 4 minutes of each other? And then the phones being destroyed? 

Also never heard of anyone butt dialing in their sleep.  One of the calls was like 7 or 14 seconds and the guy claimed he butt ANSWERED in his sleep.

[Gepetto 1,301]

I'm following this trial. They can't reconstruct how that taillight got damage from his body and/or how his arm got those injuries from her Lexus taillight/rear-end. Without that, she should be found not guilty. I don't think the back of her Lexus SUV could have made those injuries on his arm.

[HellToupee 1,613]

1 hour ago, MLCKAA said:

Also never heard of anyone butt dialing in their sleep.  One of the calls was like 7 or 14 seconds and the guy claimed he butt ANSWERED in his sleep.

One butt dial happened while he was having sex

[HellToupee 1,613]

The Jen McCabe testimony about the FBI visiting her was interesting. FBI approaches her outside he house asking if she owns the house and she says no and tells them she’s her sister. Then comes clean but she needs a few minutes to brush her teeth etc. Then she calls her husband which is normal behavior but then calls 4 others, Brian Albert, Kerry Robert’s ,Peggy O’Keefe and the district attorney’s office. This is how the DA learned they were under investigation by the feds. Then she tells the fbi she only called her husband but later calls them to tel them she forgot about the other calls.. She also terminated the interview a few minutes after it started 

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8 hours ago, HellToupee said:

The Jen McCabe testimony about the FBI visiting her was interesting. FBI approaches her outside he house asking if she owns the house and she says no and tells them she’s her sister. Then comes clean but she needs a few minutes to brush her teeth etc. Then she calls her husband which is normal behavior but then calls 4 others, Brian Albert, Kerry Robert’s ,Peggy O’Keefe and the district attorney’s office. This is how the DA learned they were under investigation by the feds. Then she tells the fbi she only called her husband but later calls them to tel them she forgot about the other calls.. She also terminated the interview a few minutes after it started 

Nothing to see here, right?

[Herbivore 1,118]

I am from that area. Used to know some Canton cops..both legacies. I haven't followed it tightly, but I am on the FKR side. Cops, McCabes, Alberts..all caught on lies or wildly suspicious actions.

[TheNewGirl 1,387]

Ok, finished the documentary and yes, ended with deadlocked/mistrial. 

All the phone calls to each other, all the hidden "stuff" and just everyone being focking drunk and "not remembering" or whatever. The texts that the one FBI (I think) guy sent about how she was a crazy c*nt and how f*cked she is and all of that, just going OFF were completely uncalled for. 

I read a few posts on reddit about everything as well, and I guess the jurors decided to go with an "Occam's razor" type of situation; with all things being equal the simplest explanation is what likely happened. They didn't really do their "beyond a reasonable doubt" or evidentiary proof jobs. 

Also, seeing that the tail light on the car was already damaged, but pieces at the scene? Or her voicemails that she left him when she was drunk and angry...I don't think she knew he was dead. That's all par for the course for a pissed off drunk girlfriend, IMO. 

I don't think she did it. I think he got into it with his cop buddies, and then their dog started scratching him, or whatever. Then they either took him outside, or left him where he fell. THEN the one chick googled at 2:27AM how long it takes a body to freeze to death? And they made up some BS about how tabs on your phone work? 

Def some shady cr@p going on here. 

[HellToupee 1,613]

25 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

The texts that the one FBI (I think) guy sent about how she was a crazy c*nt and how f*cked she is and all of that, just going OFF were completely uncalled for. 

Thats Michael Proctor who was a MA state trooper who was in charge of the investigation. He also lives in Canton and has ties to the Alberts, Colin was his flower boy. Proctor was fired by the state police

 

the FBI was/is(?) investigating the DA office 

 

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39 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Ok, finished the documentary and yes, ended with deadlocked/mistrial. 

All the phone calls to each other, all the hidden "stuff" and just everyone being focking drunk and "not remembering" or whatever. The texts that the one FBI (I think) guy sent about how she was a crazy c*nt and how f*cked she is and all of that, just going OFF were completely uncalled for. 

I read a few posts on reddit about everything as well, and I guess the jurors decided to go with an "Occam's razor" type of situation; with all things being equal the simplest explanation is what likely happened. They didn't really do their "beyond a reasonable doubt" or evidentiary proof jobs. 

Also, seeing that the tail light on the car was already damaged, but pieces at the scene? Or her voicemails that she left him when she was drunk and angry...I don't think she knew he was dead. That's all par for the course for a pissed off drunk girlfriend, IMO. 

I don't think she did it. I think he got into it with his cop buddies, and then their dog started scratching him, or whatever. Then they either took him outside, or left him where he fell. THEN the one chick googled at 2:27AM how long it takes a body to freeze to death? And they made up some BS about how tabs on your phone work? 

Def some shady cr@p going on here. 

Check out the content Crime Junkie has on this subject.  Before the 2nd trial started they did a good episode with the first half presented from the prosecution perspective and the second half presented from the defense perspective.

Despite the equal time for both sides, I think you’ll walk away with very reasonable doubts.

[TheNewGirl 1,387]

8 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

Check out the content Crime Junkie has on this subject.  Before the 2nd trial started they did a good episode with the first half presented from the prosecution perspective and the second half presented from the defense perspective.

Despite the equal time for both sides, I think you’ll walk away with very reasonable doubts.

Cool thanks, I like Crime Junkie. Been a while since I listened, since I have so many true crime podcasts, I'll check this episode out. 

[TheNewGirl 1,387]

Okay, listened to the Crime Junkie podcast. 

There's just TOO much that doesn't work for me with Karen. 

Personally, I think she dropped him off and went to his house. Called and left all kinds of messages because she was drunk and pissed. Her voicemails reference him seeing another woman that lives close to 34 Fairview. I think they fought, she dropped him off and left. 

The ONLY part I think is odd is the tail light pieces being left by his body and the ONE stray hair of his that they found in the tail light on the car. When would they have "planted" that. 

It's odd that people drove by and pulled up to 34 Fairview and saw her in the car alone and no one on the grass/snow near her. 

So, maybe they fought, she dropped him off and he started walking to the other lady's house? Or...the dude SHE was flirting with that was in the house (Higgins?) got into a fight with O'Keefe and they just left him out there in the snow? 

I mean, there is a *chance* she did hit him and then just drove home. It is enough for reasonable doubt, other than the tail light pieces by his body. 

[Gepetto 1,301]

1 hour ago, TheNewGirl said:

Okay, listened to the Crime Junkie podcast. 

There's just TOO much that doesn't work for me with Karen. 

Personally, I think she dropped him off and went to his house. Called and left all kinds of messages because she was drunk and pissed. Her voicemails reference him seeing another woman that lives close to 34 Fairview. I think they fought, she dropped him off and left. 

The ONLY part I think is odd is the tail light pieces being left by his body and the ONE stray hair of his that they found in the tail light on the car. When would they have "planted" that. 

It's odd that people drove by and pulled up to 34 Fairview and saw her in the car alone and no one on the grass/snow near her. 

So, maybe they fought, she dropped him off and he started walking to the other lady's house? Or...the dude SHE was flirting with that was in the house (Higgins?) got into a fight with O'Keefe and they just left him out there in the snow? 

I mean, there is a *chance* she did hit him and then just drove home. It is enough for reasonable doubt, other than the tail light pieces by his body. 

Tail light pieces could have been planted by the lead police investigator who was disgraced and fired because of this case. He lied about the time he had access to her Lexus SUV. There is close to an hour of missing time. The first search around O'Keefe's body found every piece of a clear broken cocktail glass that he had with him from the bar, but zero pieces of clear or red tail light pieces were found. The search was called off and held off until I think 5:44 pm. They got her Lexus at like 3:30 pm and took it all the way across town in a blizzard to an area close to where the body was found.

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23 hours ago, HellToupee said:

My wife is into this trial , big time , which means I’m into it , I guess. That all I get to see currently on tv besides sports. Crazy story and feel like I know it inside and out. This even has great side stories and also has crossover ties with the Sandra Birchmore case

 I’d like to get into it and finger her inside out, uhhh, not your wifey, 

[TheNewGirl 1,387]

36 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Tail light pieces could have been planted by the lead police investigator who was disgraced and fired because of this case. He lied about the time he had access to her Lexus SUV. There is close to an hour of missing time. The first search around O'Keefe's body found every piece of a clear broken cocktail glass that he had with him from the bar, but zero pieces of clear or red tail light pieces were found. The search was called off and held off until I think 5:44 pm. They got her Lexus at like 3:30 pm and took it all the way across town in a blizzard to an area close to where the body was found.

AH! This makes a lot more sense, then. Thank you. 

[Herbivore 1,118]

1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said:

AH! This makes a lot more sense, then. Thank you. 

If I remember, it was said that Proctor was never by the side of the broken taillight as shown on the video from when they brought in the car, but the video was inverted and he was. And then they "found" the pieces of the taillight by O'Keefe on the 3rd searcb.

[TheNewGirl 1,387]

39 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

If I remember, it was said that Proctor was never by the side of the broken taillight as shown on the video from when they brought in the car, but the video was inverted and he was. And then they "found" the pieces of the taillight by O'Keefe on the 3rd searcb.

I know they also had video of her backing into his car at his house, which is what they say damaged the tail light to begin with. 

I will have to watch and listen again. I get side tracked and miss little things here and there, too. 

 

[Herbivore 1,118]

23 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

I know they also had video of her backing into his car at his house, which is what they say damaged the tail light to begin with. 

I will have to watch and listen again. I get side tracked and miss little things here and there, too. 

 

It is an interesting case. I know families in Canton where some say guilty some say FKR. 

[HellToupee 1,613]

1 hour ago, Herbivore said:

If I remember, it was said that Proctor was never by the side of the broken taillight as shown on the video from when they brought in the car, but the video was inverted and he was. And then they "found" the pieces of the taillight by O'Keefe on the 3rd searcb.

The video in the garage was flipped so Proctor was on the side of the broken taillight 

[MLCKAA 550]

Bodies do not break tail light covers.  Not at low speed.  Go rap your knuckles on your tail light and tell me your gut is gonna break that.

[TheNewGirl 1,387]

35 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

Bodies do not break tail light covers.  Not at low speed.  Go rap your knuckles on your tail light and tell me your gut is gonna break that.

You've never seen this gut. 

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3 hours ago, TheNewGirl said:

You've never seen this gut. 

Is that an offer?

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My first reaction to this was that she did back into him, but she was so drunk off her ass that she didn't remember, so in her own mind, she's innocent. But, I've been purposely ignoring any news stories about this. There's an update on Boston.com every day, and I just pass it by. I honestly don't care how this turns out. I did watch the documentary with my wife, since she was interested, but to me it didn't bring any clarity.

The only thing that concerns me about the case is the fact that about a week after the first trial was declared a mistrial for a supposed hung jury, the jury foreman came out and said they actually voted 12-0 to acquit her on 2 of the 3 charges, including the murder charge. Several other jurors backed up his statement. I don't know if this was an f-up on the jury's part or the judge's part in declaring a hung jury, but it doesn't make sense to me. Isn't each charge taken separately? She lost the appeal to throw out the murder charge for the second trial, so here we are. And now, I'm back to not caring. 

[Strike 5,276]

Listened to the podcast I mentioned up above today.  Pretty convinced she didn't do it.  100% convinced there's reasonable doubt and likely some kind of cover up or framing.

[Gepetto 1,301]

Let this be a lesson though, don't get so drunk (let alone drive drunk) that you don't even know if you killed someone or not.